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law_n and_o to_o obey_v the_o high_a priest_n i_o may_v say_v to_o the_o doctor_n as_o he_o say_v before_o to_o the_o cardinal_n atque_fw-la vel_fw-la sic_fw-la iacebit_fw-la doctori_fw-la ratio_fw-la sua_fw-la 14._o but_o put_v the_o case_n this_o be_v not_o so_o yea_o and_o that_o the_o priest_n of_o the_o old_a law_n have_v be_v subject_a to_o the_o king_n in_o spiritual_a matter_n whereof_o i_o have_v already_o prove_v the_o contrary_a will_n m._n andrews_n infer_v thereon_o supr_n that_o therefore_o king_n have_v also_o the_o spiritual_a supremacy_n in_o the_o new_a law_n without_o any_o new_a institution_n or_o ratification_n thereof_o by_o our_o saviour_n christ_n moses_n or_o his_o apostle_n do_v not_o this_o great_a doctor_n know_v that_o the_o mosaycal_a law_n be_v abrogate_a by_o the_o law_n of_o grace_n and_o that_o whereas_o it_o be_v divide_v into_o three_o part_n to_o wit_n judicial_a cerimoniall_a and_o moral_a the_o two_o former_a utter_o cease_v and_o the_o three_o i_o mean_v the_o moral_a part_n contain_v the_o commandment_n remain_v only_o in_o force_n not_o because_o it_o be_v institute_v then_o but_o because_o those_o commaundment_n be_v ground_v on_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n be_v always_o in_o force_n and_o therefore_o ordain_v again_o to_o be_v keep_v in_o the_o new_a law_n in_o which_o respect_n the_o commandment_n concern_v the_o sabbath_n do_v not_o now_o bind_v christian_n as_o it_o be_v then_o ordain_v and_o practise_v 15._o and_o therefore_o m._n andrews_n may_v aswell_o introduce_v polygamy_n practise_v in_o the_o old_a law_n as_o the_o spiritual_a supremacy_n of_o king_n if_o we_o shall_v grant_v that_o they_o then_o have_v any_o such_o and_o with_o much_o more_o reason_n may_v he_o teach_v abstinence_n from_o pudding_n and_o other_o meat_n make_v of_o blood_n see_v that_o we_o find_v some_o commandment_n or_o ordinance_n thereof_o in_o the_o act_n of_o apostle_n whereas_o there_o be_v no_o one_o syllable_n in_o all_o the_o new_a 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allege_v s._n augustine_n lactantius_n and_o s._n bernard_n to_o prove_v that_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o just_a be_v reserve_v in_o certain_a receptacle_n sanct._n and_o secret_a place_n where_o they_o have_v not_o the_o perfect_a vision_n of_o god_n until_o the_o day_n of_o judgement_n i_o shall_v not_o need_v to_o say_v any_o thing_n thereto_o as_o well_o because_o it_o will_v avayle_v he_o nothing_o as_o you_o see_v though_o s._n augustine_n and_o all_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o father_n have_v be_v of_o that_o opinion_n see_v that_o even_o there_o i_o mean_v in_o those_o receptacle_n the_o saint_n may_v know_v our_o prayer_n by_o angel_n or_o by_o divine_a revelation_n according_a to_o s._n augustine_n doctrine_n as_o also_o because_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o not_o only_a s._n augustine_n but_o also_o all_o the_o father_n both_o greek_a and_o latin_a except_o 3._o to_o wit_n tertullian_n lactantius_n and_o victorinus_n do_v teach_v that_o the_o saint_n do_v already_o enjoy_v the_o vision_n of_o god_n though_o not_o in_o that_o perfection_n and_o consummation_n of_o their_o beatitude_n which_o they_o shall_v have_v after_o the_o resurrection_n and_o glorification_n of_o the_o body_n as_o m._n andrews_n may_v see_v if_o it_o please_v he_o in_o the_o controversy_n of_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n who_o allege_v to_o this_o purpose_n 36._o father_n of_o the_o greek_a 1._o and_o latin_a church_n and_o answer_v particular_o those_o very_a place_n which_o m._n andrews_n quote_v in_o his_o margin_n and_o all_o other_o place_n and_o authoritye_n which_o be_v common_o object_v against_o our_o catholic_a doctrine_n in_o this_o point_n so_o as_o in_o fine_a m._n andrew_n prove_v nothing_o at_o all_o against_o we_o by_o this_o objection_n 48._o and_o whereas_o he_o say_v also_o by_o the_o way_n that_o the_o saint_n ought_v not_o to_o be_v invocate_v albeit_o they_o can_v hear_v we_o because_o there_o be_v no_o precept_n of_o it_o i_o forbear_v to_o give_v any_o full_a 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tertullian_n hanc_fw-la si_fw-la nulla_fw-la say_v he_o 3._o scriptura_fw-la determinavit_fw-la etc._n etc._n if_o no_o scripture_n have_v determine_v this_o yet_o true_o custom_n which_o without_o doubt_n have_v flow_v from_o tradition_n have_v corroborate_v and_o strengthen_v it_o 50._o to_o these_o father_n i_o may_v add_v many_o more_o to_o the_o same_o purpose_n if_o it_o be_v needful_a but_o these_o may_v suffice_v for_o the_o present_a to_o show_v that_o m._n andrews_n do_v very_o idle_o exact_v a_o precept_n for_o prayer_n to_o saint_n when_o it_o be_v evident_a by_o the_o testimony_n of_o all_o the_o father_n before_o cite_v that_o the_o same_o be_v general_o practise_v in_o the_o church_n in_o their_o time_n no_o less_o than_o it_o be_v at_o this_o present_a whereupon_o i_o also_o conclude_v concern_v the_o fact_n of_o theodosius_n the_o emperor_n corinth_n that_o it_o can_v be_v with_o reason_n deny_v but_o that_o when_o he_o lay_v prostrate_a before_o the_o tomb_n of_o the_o martyr_n crave_v help_n against_o eugenius_n the_o tyrant_n by_o their_o intercession_n he_o pray_v also_o to_o they_o and_o not_o only_o to_o god_n especial_o consider_v the_o testimony_n produce_v by_o i_o before_o out_o of_o sozomen_n concern_v his_o particular_a invocation_n of_o s._n john_n baptist_n upon_o the_o same_o occasion_n and_o out_o of_o s._n chrysostome_n testify_v the_o emperor_n custom_n in_o those_o day_n to_o pray_v to_o the_o martyr_n at_o their_o monument_n wherein_o also_o it_o may_v well_o be_v presume_v that_o s._n chrysostome_n have_v a_o special_a relation_n even_o to_o that_o fact_n of_o theodosius_n whereof_o we_o now_o treat_v because_o the_o same_o be_v then_o very_o famous_a when_o he_o write_v his_o commentary_n upon_o s._n paul_n epistle_n whence_o this_o testimony_n be_v take_v for_o he_o write_v the_o same_o while_o he_o be_v bishop_n as_o it_o may_v appear_v by_o the_o time_n of_o his_o election_n and_o of_o a_o vision_n of_o s._n paul_n who_o 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church_n in_o baptise_v infant_n do_v not_o prove_v or_o confirm_v it_o by_o any_o precept_n or_o example_n out_o of_o scripture_n but_o only_o by_o a_o probable_a conjecture_n draw_v from_o the_o figure_n of_o it_o in_o the_o old_a law_n rely_v principal_o upon_o the_o tradition_n of_o the_o church_n 33._o but_o what_o need_v i_o seek_v any_o other_o testimony_n for_o this_o matter_n see_v that_o tho._n rogers_n in_o the_o 39_o article_n agree_v upon_o by_o the_o pretend_a bishop_n and_o clergy_n of_o england_n and_o analyze_v into_o proposition_n gloss_a and_o set_v forth_o by_o he_o with_o their_o publyke_a approbation_n do_v acknowledge_v that_o the_o baptism_n of_o young_a child_n be_v in_o any_o wise_n to_o be_v retain_v in_o the_o church_n as_o most_o agreeable_a with_o the_o institution_n of_o christ_n although_o although_o say_v he_o we_o be_v not_o command_v by_o express_a term_n to_o baptize_v they_o so_o he_o whereupon_o it_o direct_o follow_v that_o m._n andrews_n have_v overlash_v great_o in_o say_v id_fw-la tantùm_fw-la audemus_fw-la facere_fw-la de_fw-la quo_fw-la praeceptum_fw-la habemus_fw-la we_o dare_v do_v that_o only_o whereof_o we_o have_v a_o precept_n also_o what_o precept_n or_o example_n have_v m._n andrews_n and_o his_o fellow_n in_o scripture_n for_o the_o use_n of_o godfather_n and_o godmother_n and_o of_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n in_o baptism_n allow_v as_o well_o by_o their_o practice_n as_o by_o the_o late_a queen_n injunction_n yea_o and_o by_o the_o ecclesiastical_a canon_n of_o the_o bishop_n 30._o and_o clergy_n of_o the_o province_n of_o canterbury_n make_v in_o their_o synod_n hold_v at_o london_n with_o his_o majesties_n licence_n in_o the_o year_n 1603._o and_o publish_v the_o year_n follow_v by_o his_o majesties_n authority_n under_o the_o great_a seal_n of_o england_n in_o which_o canon_n they_o do_v not_o only_o approve_v the_o use_n of_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n in_o baptism_n but_o also_o profess_v to_o follow_v therein_o the_o primitive_a &_o apostolical_a church_n &_o the_o true_a rule_n of_o doctrine_n concern_v thing_n indifferent_a which_o be_v consonant_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o the_o judgement_n of_o all_o the_o ancient_a father_n so_o that_o by_o their_o own_o confession_n they_o retain_v the_o use_n of_o it_o without_o either_o precept_n or_o example_n in_o holy_a scripture_n 34._o and_o now_o because_o i_o have_v have_v this_o occasion_n to_o speak_v of_o this_o constitution_n constitution_n i_o can_v not_o omit_v to_o advertise_v thou_o good_a reader_n of_o a_o notable_a piece_n of_o trumpery_n and_o cozenage_n use_v by_o that_o grave_a synod_n in_o this_o very_a canon_n whereof_o we_o now_o speak_v wherein_o give_v the_o reason_n why_o they_o retain_v the_o use_n of_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n in_o baptism_n they_o say_v they_o do_v it_o because_o the_o same_o have_v be_v ever_o accompany_v among_o they_o with_o sufficient_a caution_n &_o exception_n against_o all_o popish_a superstition_n and_o error_n and_o forsooth_o ibidem_fw-la that_o the_o world_n may_v understand_v from_o what_o popish_a error_n they_o have_v free_v the_o same_o they_o signify_v that_o the_o church_n of_o england_n since_o the_o abolish_n of_o popery_n have_v ever_o hold_v and_o teach_v that_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n use_v in_o baptism_n be_v no_o part_n of_o the_o substance_n of_o that_o sacrament_n and_o that_o the_o infant_n baptise_a be_v by_o virtue_n of_o baptism_n before_o it_o be_v sign_v with_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n receive_v into_o the_o congregation_n of_o christ_n flock_n as_o a_o perfect_a member_n thereof_o and_o not_o by_o any_o power_n ascribe_v to_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n etc._n etc._n whereupon_o they_o conclude_v that_o the_o use_n of_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n in_o baptism_n be_v thus_o purge_v from_o all_o popish_a superstition_n and_o error_n and_o reduce_v in_o the_o church_n of_o england_n to_o the_o primary_n institution_n of_o it_o etc._n etc._n it_o be_v to_o be_v reverent_o retain_v and_o use_v thus_o teach_v they_o in_o their_o foresay_a synod_n 35._o but_o now_o we_o must_v demand_v of_o they_o where_o they_o have_v ever_o read_v in_o any_o catholic_a author_n that_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n 25._o as_o it_o be_v use_v in_o the_o administration_n of_o baptism_n be_v any_o part_n of_o the_o substance_n of_o the_o sacrament_n sure_o i_o be_o that_o all_o our_o schoolman_n and_o canonist_n and_o other_o that_o have_v occasion_n to_o treat_v thereof_o do_v express_o teach_v the_o contrary_a neither_o do_v ever_o any_o learned_a catholic_a hold_n or_o suppose_v it_o to_o be_v any_o part_n either_o of_o the_o form_n or_o of_o the_o matter_n of_o baptism_n which_o be_v the_o essential_a part_n thereof_o but_o only_o a_o ancient_a and_o holy_a ceremony_n and_o this_o be_v evident_a even_o by_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n approve_v the_o baptism_n not_o only_o of_o the_o midwife_n in_o case_n of_o necessity_n but_o also_o of_o any_o heretic_n if_o he_o have_v the_o intention_n to_o do_v that_o which_o the_o catholic_a church_n do_v and_o use_v the_o true_a form_n with_o convenient_a matter_n without_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n or_o any_o other_o ceremony_n in_o the_o world_n and_o albeit_o the_o church_n use_v to_o supply_v the_o say_a ceremony_n afterward_o in_o such_o as_o want_v the_o same_o yet_o it_o make_v no_o doubt_n at_o all_o 6._o but_o that_o they_o be_v baptize_v before_o and_o in_o state_n of_o salvation_n if_o they_o die_v before_o the_o say_a ceremony_n be_v supply_v whereby_o it_o be_v manifest_a that_o the_o catholykes_n do_v not_o take_v the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n to_o be_v of_o the_o substance_n or_o essence_n of_o the_o sacrament_n testimony_n 36._o but_o of_o this_o i_o shall_v not_o need_v to_o produce_v any_o further_a proof_n see_v that_o those_o pretend_a bishop_n which_o be_v present_a at_o this_o 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the_o sacrament_n which_o they_o all_o do_v uniform_o teach_v to_o give_v grace_n ex_fw-la opere_fw-la operato_fw-la and_o therefore_o see_v that_o according_a to_o his_o majesties_n testimony_n as_o well_o upon_o his_o own_o knowledge_n themselves_o as_o by_o the_o relation_n of_o the_o bishop_n to_o he_o the_o catholykes_n do_v never_o ascribe_v any_o power_n or_o spiritual_a grace_n to_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n in_o baptism_n it_o be_v evident_a that_o the_o bishop_n in_o their_o synod_n belie_v they_o egregious_o charge_v they_o to_o hold_v it_o to_o be_v a_o part_n of_o the_o substance_n of_o the_o sacrament_n yea_o and_o notable_o delude_v the_o people_n in_o seek_v to_o persuade_v they_o that_o the_o catholykes_n have_v corrupt_v the_o use_n thereof_o and_o that_o the_o english_a clergy_n have_v now_o reduce_v it_o to_o the_o primary_n institution_n 37._o soul_n who_o then_o can_v imagine_v that_o so_o many_o ecclesiastical_a man_n honourable_a for_o their_o rank_n and_o dignity_n in_o the_o common_a welâ—h_n by_o profession_n divine_n by_o title_n prelate_n and_o spiritual_a pastor_n of_o the_o people_n can_v also_o uniform_o agree_v to_o cozen_v the_o world_n in_o this_o manner_n and_o instead_o of_o feed_v their_o flock_n with_o wholesome_a doctrine_n to_o infect_v and_o poison_v they_o with_o such_o manifest_a lie_n as_o this_o convince_v even_o by_o their_o own_o testimony_n to_o his_o majesty_n himself_o the_o very_a same_o year_n that_o they_o devise_v it_o as_o it_o appear_v by_o the_o print_a copy_n of_o their_o ecclesiastical_a constitution_n &_o of_o the_o conference_n at_o hampton-court_n publish_v in_o the_o year_n 1604._o and_o therefore_o i_o leave_v it_o to_o thou_o good_a reader_n to_o consider_v in_o what_o a_o miserable_a state_n our_o poor_a country_n be_v where_o such_o man_n as_o these_o who_o as_o it_o seem_v have_v no_o care_n either_o of_o their_o own_o conscience_n or_o reputation_n have_v nevertheless_o the_o care_n and_o charge_n of_o other_o man_n soul_n 38._o rule_n but_o to_o return_v to_o m._n andrews_n who_o perhaps_o be_v one_o of_o that_o conventicle_n though_o not_o as_o a_o bishop_n yet_o as_o one_o of_o the_o clergy_n of_o the_o province_n of_o canterbury_n i_o will_v glad_o know_v of_o he_o whether_o he_o and_o his_o clergy_n in_o the_o diocese_n of_o ely_n do_v use_v the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n in_o the_o administration_n of_o baptism_n or_o not_o and_o if_o they_o do_v not_o let_v he_o tell_v we_o how_o they_o observe_v this_o synodical_a canon_n make_v by_o his_o fellow_n and_o authorize_v by_o his_o majesty_n and_o if_o they_o do_v observe_v it_o let_v he_o show_v we_o some_o precept_n or_o example_n of_o it_o in_o scripture_n see_v he_o resolut_o affirm_v in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o whole_a english_a church_n verunâ—_n as_o it_o seem_v that_o they_o dare_v do_v that_o only_o whereof_o they_o have_v a_o precept_n therefore_o i_o say_v let_v he_o either_o show_v we_o some_o precept_n for_o it_o in_o scripture_n or_o else_o confess_v that_o he_o and_o his_o fellow_n dare_v do_v more_o than_o be_v command_v therein_o 39_o final_o if_o they_o may_v lawful_o follow_v the_o primitive_a and_o apostolical_a church_n and_o the_o judgement_n of_o all_o the_o ancient_a father_n in_o matter_n though_o not_o command_v in_o scripture_n baptism_n yet_o consonant_a thereto_o as_o they_o profess_v to_o do_v in_o the_o foresay_a canon_n than_o they_o must_v also_o grant_v that_o it_o be_v in_o like_a manner_n lawful_a for_o catholykes_n to_o do_v the_o like_a for_o prayer_n to_o saint_n see_v that_o the_o same_o be_v conform_v to_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n and_o to_o the_o belief_n of_o the_o ancient_a father_n and_o consequent_o to_o the_o holy_a scripture_n for_o otherwise_o neither_o will_v so_o many_o learned_a ancient_a and_o holy_a father_n have_v approve_v it_o neither_o yet_o the_o church_n who_o authority_n as_o s._n augustine_n say_v the_o 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the_o people_n of_o israel_n for_o 4._o hundred_o year_n after_o moses_n but_o god_n ordain_v by_o moses_n in_o 17._o of_o deuteronomy_n that_o the_o future_a king_n shall_v take_v a_o copy_n of_o the_o law_n from_o the_o priest_n of_o the_o tribe_n of_o levi_n and_o have_v the_o same_o with_o he_o and_o read_v it_o all_o the_o day_n of_o his_o life_n but_o what_o will_n m._n andrews_n say_v that_o the_o king_n be_v make_v hereby_o supreme_a head_n or_o governor_n of_o the_o church_n in_o ecclesiastical_a cause_n or_o to_o use_v his_o own_o manner_n of_o speech_n that_o the_o chief_a or_o supreme_a power_n to_o keep_v religion_n and_o cause_n it_o to_o be_v keep_v be_v give_v he_o hereby_o true_o the_o word_n immediate_o follow_v do_v show_v another_o reason_n why_o the_o king_n shall_v have_v the_o copy_n of_o the_o law_n to_o wit_n ut_fw-la discat_fw-la etc._n etc._n to_o the_o end_n he_o may_v learn_v to_o fear_v his_o lord_n god_n and_o keep_v his_o word_n and_o ceremony_n 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the_o law_n of_o the_o priest_n who_o keep_v the_o original_n &_o therefore_o as_o i_o argue_v against_o m._n barlow_n be_v the_o true_a guardian_n of_o the_o law_n &_o not_o the_o king_n who_o have_v but_o the_o copy_n &_o if_o we_o weigh_v withal_o that_o he_o be_v to_o learn_v of_o they_o also_o the_o sense_n &_o interpretation_n of_o the_o law_n because_o they_o only_o &_o not_o the_o king_n have_v authority_n to_o teach_v &_o interpret_v it_o and_o to_o resolve_v all_o doubt_n &_o difficulty_n which_o shall_v occur_v therein_o as_o i_o prove_v clear_o out_o of_o the_o 24._o scripture_n in_o the_o first_o chapter_n of_o my_o supplement_n if_o all_o this_o i_o say_v be_v well_o consider_v it_o may_v be_v wonder_v with_o what_o face_n m._n barlow_n and_o m._n andrews_n can_v infer_v any_o spiritual_a supremacy_n of_o the_o king_n upon_o this_o place_n which_o do_v in_o truth_n prove_v their_o subjection_n in_o matter_n of_o religion_n to_o priest_n and_o special_o to_o the_o high_a 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