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A85408 Philadelphia: or, XL. queries peaceably and inoffensively propounded for the discovery of truth in this question, or case of conscience; whether persons baptized (as themselves call baptism) after a profession of faith, may, or may not, lawfully, and with good conscience, hold communion with such churches, who judg themselves truly baptized, though in infancy, and before such a profession? Together with some few brief touches about infant, and after-baptism. By J.G. a minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Goodwin, John, 1594?-1665. 1653 (1653) Wing G1189; Thomason E702_7; ESTC R207109 25,228 32

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according_a to_o the_o order_n of_o christ_n by_o other_o who_o themselves_o convey_v or_o dip_v under_o water_n their_o whole_a body_n leave_v only_o their_o head_n above_o the_o water_n to_o be_v bow_v down_o force_v or_o thrust_v under_o water_n by_o the_o baptizer_n or_o be_v there_o either_o vola_fw-la or_o vestigium_fw-la little_a or_o much_o of_o such_o a_o practice_n as_o this_o to_o be_v find_v in_o the_o scripture_n where_o they_o speak_v of_o baptism_n or_o can_v he_o in_o any_o tolerable_a sense_n or_o construction_n be_v say_v to_o be_v the_o architect_n or_o builder_n of_o a_o turret_n or_o steeple_n who_o only_o set_v the_o weathercock_n on_o the_o top_n of_o it_o and_o not_o rather_o he_o who_o build_v the_o rest_n of_o the_o body_n and_o fabric_n hereof_o xxx_o whether_o be_v there_o any_o particular_a or_o express_a institution_n of_o baptism_n to_o be_v find_v in_o the_o scripture_n i_o mean_v any_o such_o institution_n as_o there_o be_v of_o circumcision_n and_o the_o passover_n in_o the_o old_a testament_n or_o of_o the_o lord_n supper_n in_o the_o new_a or_o which_o prescribe_v and_o determine_v all_o circumstance_n essential_a unto_o baptism_n as_o all_o the_o other_o do_v prescribe_v and_o determine_v all_o circumstance_n essential_o requisite_a to_o their_o administration_n respective_o if_o not_o do_v not_o they_o {non-roman}_o {non-roman}_o {non-roman}_o {non-roman}_o {non-roman}_o make_v themselves_o wise_a above_o that_o which_o be_v write_v and_o constructive_o obtrude_v upon_o the_o conscience_n of_o man_n a_o institution_n of_o their_o own_o in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o ordinance_n and_o institution_n of_o god_n who_o undertake_v to_o prescribe_v and_o determine_v either_o particularity_n of_o subject_n or_o manner_n of_o administration_n in_o baptism_n xxxi_o whether_o do_v not_o they_o among_o we_o or_o at_o least_o the_o generality_n and_o far_o great_a part_n of_o they_o who_o have_v accept_v and_o enter_v into_o the_o way_n 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baptise_v they_o be_v more_o excellent_a than_o their_o neighbour_n and_o too_o holy_a and_o near_a unto_o god_n to_o suffer_v themselves_o to_o be_v number_v among_o the_o member_n of_o other_o church_n or_o do_v such_o thing_n as_o these_o any_o way_n favour_n or_o strengthen_v the_o claim_n which_o their_o way_n of_o baptise_v make_v of_o be_v a_o divine_a ordinance_n yea_o the_o only_a true_a baptism_n of_o god_n xxxii_o whether_o among_o man_n and_o woman_n who_o conscience_n have_v at_o any_o time_n be_v surprise_v with_o a_o religious_a conceit_n of_o a_o necessity_n of_o new_a baptism_n and_o have_v according_o submit_v to_o it_o have_v not_o the_o most_o christianly-meek_a and_o humble_a on_o the_o one_o hand_n and_o the_o most_o judicious_a and_o learned_a on_o the_o other_o hand_n upon_o a_o little_a experience_n of_o this_o way_n grow_v cool_a and_o very_o indifferent_a in_o their_o thought_n about_o it_o yea_o and_o many_o of_o they_o repent_v of_o their_o surprisal_n and_o etc._n weakness_n in_o this_o kind_n as_o johannes_n o●colampadius_n johannes_fw-la denkius_fw-la johannes_n gaster_n man_n of_o great_a learning_n worth_a and_o humility_n with_o several_a other_o about_o luther_n day_n yea_o and_o some_o of_o like_a character_n of_o late_a among_o ourselves_o who_o may_v be_v name_v if_o it_o be_v necessary_a or_o meet_a xxxiii_o whether_o because_o baptism_n be_v term_v the_o baptism_n of_o repentance_n {non-roman}_o {non-roman}_o {non-roman}_o {non-roman}_o {non-roman}_o i_o e._n for_o or_o towards_o the_o remission_n of_o sin_n mar_n 1._o 4._o do_v it_o a_o whit_n more_o follow_v that_o child_n ought_v not_o to_o be_v baptise_v either_o because_o they_o can_v repent_v or_o because_o they_o have_v no_o sin_n to_o be_v remit_v unto_o they_o than_o it_o do_v that_o child_n ought_v not_o to_o have_v be_v circumcise_v consider_v that_o circumcision_n the_o nature_n of_o it_o and_o counsel_n of_o god_n in_o it_o consider_v may_v as_o true_o be_v call_v the_o circumcision_n of_o repentance_n for_o the_o remission_n of_o sin_n as_o baptism_n the_o baptism_n of_o repentance_n for_o the_o remission_n of_o sin_n yea_o the_o apostle_n paul_n himself_o give_v a_o definition_n of_o circumcision_n for_o substance_n and_o import_n of_o matter_n the_o same_o with_o that_o of_o baptism_n when_o he_o call_v it_o the_o seal_n of_o the_o righteousness_n of_o faith_n rom._n 4._o 11._o and_o however_o child_n be_v altogether_o as_o uncapable_a of_o faith_n as_o they_o be_v of_o repentance_n and_o have_v no_o more_o need_n of_o the_o righteousness_n of_o faith_n than_o they_o have_v of_o remission_n of_o sin_n these_o be_v but_o one_o and_o the_o same_o thing_n xxxiv_o whether_o when_o the_o apostle_n peter_n speak_v thus_o to_o his_o new_a convert_v act_n 2._o 38_o 39_o repent_v and_o be_v baptise_v every_o one_o of_o you_o in_o the_o name_n of_o jesus_n christ_n for_o the_o remission_n of_o sin_n and_o you_o shall_v receive_v the_o gift_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n for_o the_o promise_n be_v to_o you_o and_o to_o your_o child_n etc._n etc._n do_v he_o so_o much_o enjoin_v or_o exhort_v they_o to_o repent_v in_o order_n to_o their_o be_v baptise_v as_o encourage_v they_o both_o unto_o the_o one_o duty_n and_o the_o other_o upon_o the_o account_n of_o the_o promise_n relate_v both_o to_o they_o and_o their_o child_n and_o the_o certainty_n of_o its_o be_v fulfil_v and_o make_v good_a unto_o they_o both_o upon_o their_o repentance_n and_o submission_n unto_o baptism_n respective_o and_o if_o their_o title_n unto_o and_o interest_n in_o the_o promise_n be_v a_o ground_n or_o motive_n unto_o they_o the_o parent_n to_o be_v baptise_v be_v not_o the_o like_a title_n and_o interest_n in_o the_o child_n a_o ground_n and_o motive_n also_o why_o they_o shall_v be_v baptise_v xxxv_o whether_o do_v god_n smell_v the_o assembly_n or_o in_o the_o assembly_n of_o those_o who_o judge_v themselves_o the_o only_o baptise_v person_n under_o 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