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A85045 A discourse of the visible church. In a large debate of this famous question, viz. whether the visible church may be considered to be truely a church of Christ without respect to saving grace? Affirm. Whereunto is added a brief discussion of these three questions. viz. 1. What doth constitute visible church-membership. 2. What doth distinguish it, or render it visible. 3. What doth destroy it, or render it null? Together with a large application of the whole, by way of inference to our churches, sacraments, and censures. Also an appendix touching confirmation, occasioned by the Reverend Mr. Hanmore his pious and learned exercitation of confirmation. By Francis Fulwood minister of the gospel at West-Alvington in Devon. Fullwood, Francis, d. 1693. 1658 (1658) Wing F2500; Thomason E947_3; ESTC R207619 279,090 362

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this_o i_o take_v to_o be_v the_o common_a sense_n of_o expositor_n for_o though_o they_o call_v these_o jew_n carnales_fw-la abrahae_fw-la posteras_fw-la yet_o they_o oppose_v carnales_fw-la here_o to_o spirituales_fw-la i._n e._n vero_n in_o their_o know_a and_o common_a sense_n vid._n expos_n in_o locum_fw-la then_o it_o either_o rest_v to_o be_v prove_v that_o our_o saviour_n intend_v here_o to_o declare_v they_o only_o nominal_o or_o equivocal_o so_o because_o he_o charge_v they_o as_o child_n of_o the_o devil_n for_o which_o there_o be_v no_o colour_n in_o the_o world_n see_v both_o as_o before_o may_v be_v real_o predicate_v of_o the_o same_o subject_n viz._n that_o they_o be_v real_o member_n of_o christ_n visible_a kingdom_n and_o yet_o real_o child_n of_o the_o devil_n as_o those_o child_n of_o the_o kingdom_n be_v who_o go_v accurse_v from_o the_o mouth_n of_o christ_n in_o another_o place_n or_o second_o it_o
non_fw-la profecto_fw-la veniet_fw-la antichristus_fw-la ex_fw-la judais_n quod_fw-la quidam_fw-la credunt_fw-la neque_fw-la ex_fw-la turcis_n sed_fw-la ex_fw-la christianis_fw-la naogeorge_n in_o loc_n heretic_n that_o be_v never_o of_o the_o church_n in_o the_o apostle_n sense_n be_v yet_o of_o the_o church_n in_o the_o first_o sense_n numero_fw-la nomine_fw-la titulo_fw-la ex_fw-la apostalorum_fw-la societate_fw-la &_o christianorum_fw-la and_o thus_o christiani_n as_o bullinger_n say_v christiani_n olim_fw-la fuerant_fw-la quos_fw-la hic_fw-la vocavit_fw-la antichristus_fw-la they_o be_v apostolorum_fw-la discipuli_fw-la though_o ficti_fw-la and_o fratres_fw-la though_o subdoli_fw-la and_o falsi_fw-la as_o naogeorge_n say_v but_o thus_o as_o before_o be_v note_v the_o text_n concern_v not_o our_o question_n at_o all_o 2._o yet_o i_o grant_v that_o some_o of_o these_o heretic_n may_v former_o have_v own_v the_o true_a religion_n without_o these_o heresy_n or_o any_o purpose_n and_o design_n to_o promote_v the_o same_o or_o themselves_o by_o they_o but_o that_o they_o come_v on_o as_o in_o our_o age_n man_n usual_o do_v thereto_o by_o degree_n and_o that_o though_o they_o be_v not_o of_o the_o church_n in_o the_o apostle_n sense_n yet_o they_o be_v of_o the_o church_n according_a to_o the_o second_o branch_n of_o the_o distinction_n before_o explain_v viz._n of_o the_o church_n of_o the_o call_v though_o not_o of_o the_o elect._n loc_n tertii_fw-la vivam_fw-la habent_fw-la fidei_fw-la radicem_fw-la ac_fw-la suae_fw-la adoptionis_fw-la testimonium_fw-la penitus_fw-la fixum_fw-la in_o cordibus_fw-la gerunt_fw-la de_fw-la his_fw-la loquor_fw-la jobannes_n cum_fw-la impossibile_fw-it esse_fw-la dicit_fw-la ab_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la alienari_fw-la calv._n in_o loc_n therefore_o the_o apostle_n mean_v that_o these_o heretic_n do_v make_v it_o appear_v by_o their_o departure_n from_o the_o church_n upon_o so_o damnable_a a_o occasion_n that_o they_o be_v never_o of_o the_o 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the_o rhemist_n in_o vindication_n of_o the_o protestant_a judgement_n asperse_v by_o the_o papist_n as_o more_o full_o anon_o in_o this_o point_n those_o other_o word_n of_o augustine_n use_v by_o fulk_n upon_o this_o text_n likewise_o be_v yet_o more_o clear_a these_o man_n therefore_o be_v of_o the_o many_o that_o be_v call_v but_o of_o the_o few_o that_o be_v choose_v they_o be_v not_o and_o this_o double_a sense_n of_o be_v of_o the_o church_n at_o which_o some_o seem_v to_o be_v offend_v be_v clear_o ground_v upon_o the_o scripture_n those_o that_o be_v of_o the_o visible_a church_n and_o not_o of_o the_o invisible_a be_v as_o well_o say_v to_o be_v of_o israel_n though_o not_o israel_n by_o paul_n to_o the_o 6_o chap._n 9_o 6_o roman_n as_o those_o be_v here_o say_v to_o be_v of_o we_o that_o be_v of_o the_o church_n invisible_a also_o therefore_o i_o conclude_v with_o field_n apt_a and_o pertinent_a word_n by_o that_o which_o have_v be_v say_v that_o none_o but_o the_o elect_n 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into_o that_o sad_a and_o schismatical_a persuasion_n and_o error_n of_o the_o anabaptist_n as_o well_o as_o other_o chap._n xxi_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n search_v after_o and_o first_o in_o augustine_n age_n let_v we_o now_o at_o length_n descend_v from_o the_o consideration_n of_o divine_a authority_n to_o that_o which_o be_v call_v humane_a and_o from_o the_o scripture_n to_o the_o church_n but_o if_o we_o will_v indeed_o discern_v the_o clear_a and_o distinct_a opinion_n of_o the_o church_n in_o this_o famous_a controversy_n we_o need_v not_o be_v so_o much_o busy_v in_o draw_v consequence_n or_o offer_v snatch_n from_o what_o she_o have_v scatter_v by_o her_o worthy_a hand_n up_z and_o down_o upon_o other_o occasion_n but_o rather_o serious_o to_o fix_v and_o ponder_v upon_o what_o she_o have_v deliver_v about_o it_o when_o call_v by_o some_o eminent_a and_o special_a providence_n to_o speak_v punctual_o to_o it_o before_o this_o controvert_v age_n of_o we_o there_o 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