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A41553 A request to Roman Catholicks to answer the queries upon these their following tenets ... by a moderate son of the Church of England. Gordon, James, 1640?-1714. 1687 (1687) Wing G1282; ESTC R9547 37,191 48

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the_o doctrine_n and_o practice_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n in_o all_o age_n though_o for_o a_o thousand_o year_n after_o christ_n we_o find_v no_o such_o thing_n how_o can_v the_o practice_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n be_v reconcile_v to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o s._n james_n or_o s._n mark_n for_o these_o be_v their_o scripture-pretence_n who_o manifest_o show_v we_o that_o the_o design_n of_o that_o anoint_v be_v the_o recovery_n of_o the_o patient_n the_o gift_n of_o miraculous_a healing_n not_o be_v cease_v in_o the_o day_n of_o s._n james_n whereas_o the_o romanist_n do_v not_o practice_v that_o ceremony_n till_o all_o hope_n of_o recovery_n be_v past_a sect_n xvii_o of_o tradition_n qu._n 1._o of_o those_o who_o magnify_v the_o tradition_n of_o the_o church_n so_o high_o as_o to_o imagine_v that_o the_o very_a credit_n of_o the_o scripture_n depend_v thereon_o or_o that_o it_o give_v the_o scripture_n its_o authority_n which_o be_v as_o much_o as_o to_o say_v that_o man_n give_v authority_n to_o god_n word_n it_o may_v be_v demand_v what_o if_o the_o church_n shall_v have_v conceal_v or_o teach_v otherwise_o of_o those_o write_n than_o as_o of_o the_o undoubted_a oracle_n of_o god_n will_v she_o not_o have_v err_v damnable_o in_o her_o tradition_n 2._o since_o tradition_n in_o the_o roman_a church_n be_v take_v in_o to_o supply_v the_o imaginary_a defect_n of_o scripture_n and_o the_o authority_n thereof_o to_o supply_v the_o defect_n of_o tradition_n do_v it_o not_o hence_o follow_v that_o neither_o scripture_n nor_o tradition_n signify_v any_o thing_n without_o the_o church_n authority_n and_o consequent_o it_o must_v needs_o be_v the_o rule_n of_o their_o faith_n that_o be_v they_o believe_v themselves_o 3._o since_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o millenaries_n be_v unanimous_o receive_v as_o a_o apostolic_a tradition_n in_o the_o 2d_o and_o 3d_o century_n of_o the_o church_n mere_o upon_o the_o authority_n and_o antiquity_n of_o papias_n who_o live_v 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peter_n and_o s._n paul_n may_v it_o not_o be_v pertinent_o demand_v what_o stress_n can_v be_v lay_v upon_o a_o pretence_n of_o apostolic_a tradition_n sixteen_o hundred_o year_n after_o christ_n suppose_v it_o be_v now_o become_v universal_a but_o especial_o when_o it_o be_v but_o the_o particluar_n tradition_n of_o a_o particular_a church_n 4._o what_o great_a certainty_n can_v be_v give_v of_o the_o uncertainty_n of_o oral_a tradition_n as_o it_o be_v contradistinguish_v from_o the_o scripture_n than_o this_o consideration_n that_o of_o all_o christ_n say_v and_o no_o doubt_n he_o speak_v much_o in_o point_n of_o morality_n which_o be_v not_o express_v in_o the_o gospel_n nothing_o be_v find_v in_o any_o authentic_a record_n save_o the_o scripture_n except_o that_o one_o expression_n preserve_v by_o s._n hierom_n be_v thou_o never_o merry_a unless_o thou_o see_v thy_o brother_n live_v in_o charity_n for_o which_o notable_a expression_n we_o have_v the_o sole_a authority_n of_o s._n 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our_o way_n nor_o his_o thought_n as_o our_o thought_n isa._n 55._o 8_o 9_o 11._o since_o it_o be_v no_o less_o behooveful_a for_o the_o purity_n of_o the_o militant_a church_n to_o be_v secure_v from_o vice_n than_o from_o error_n by_o some_o infallible_a mean_n and_o whereas_o the_o former_a be_v not_o pretend_v to_o by_o any_o be_v it_o not_o very_o reasonable_a to_o put_v the_o romanist_n to_o it_o to_o show_v from_o scripture_n who_o this_o infallible_a visible_a judge_n be_v who_o be_v invest_v with_o that_o power_n or_o commission_n especial_o when_o it_o be_v consider_v that_o our_o judge_n of_o controversy_n in_o the_o church_n be_v now_o become_v our_o great_a controversy_n beside_o that_o it_o will_v puzzle_v any_o man_n to_o give_v a_o good_a reason_n why_o god_n shall_v take_v more_o care_n to_o secure_a man_n against_o error_n in_o belief_n than_o against_o sin_n and_o wickedness_n in_o their_o life_n 12._o if_o a_o infallible_a visible_a judge_n be_v such_o a_o adequate_a mean_n to_o determine_v all_o controversy_n in_o matter_n of_o religion_n which_o happen_v in_o the_o militant_a church_n as_o the_o romanist_n pretend_v how_o come_v it_o to_o pass_v that_o there_o be_v so_o many_o schism_n and_o heresy_n too_o in_o the_o apostle_n time_n when_o those_o who_o govern_v the_o church_n be_v certain_o guide_v by_o a_o infallible_a spirit_n 13._o can_v the_o fierce_a bigot_n of_o popery_n prove_v from_o holy_a scripture_n that_o the_o pope_n be_v infallible_a in_o the_o popish_a sense_n of_o the_o world_n i_o know_v that_o some_o fly_v the_o absurdity_n by_o hide_v the_o pope_n in_o the_o church_n but_o if_o the_o church_n be_v infallible_a it_o be_v so_o as_o its_o representative_a in_o general_a council_n or_o diffusive_a in_o the_o whole_a body_n of_o christian_n and_o than_o what_o be_v infallibility_n to_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n more_o than_o to_o any_o other_o particular_a church_n and_o how_o shall_v that_o which_o be_v common_a to_o 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be_v for_o ever_o in_o his_o church_n 16._o if_o the_o many_o dissension_n in_o the_o protestant_a church_n as_o be_v pretend_v make_v this_o infallible_a visible_a judge_n always_o necessary_a how_o be_v it_o that_o this_o sole_a remedy_n be_v find_v so_o ineffectual_a against_o the_o division_n in_o the_o roman_a church_n and_o that_o there_o be_v so_o many_o difference_n there_o about_o infallibility_n itself_o the_o manner_n and_o subject_n of_o it_o so_o that_o many_o romanist_n not_o of_o the_o dull_a brain_n be_v ashamed_a of_o it_o have_v betake_v themselves_o to_o tradition_n instead_o thereof_o sect_n xx._n of_o the_o pope_n supremacy_n qu._n 1._o since_o the_o reason_n assign_v by_o the_o council_n of_o chalcedon_n give_v equal_a privilege_n to_o the_o patriarch_n of_o constantinople_n with_o he_o of_o rome_n be_v because_o old_a byzantium_n be_v become_v nova_fw-la roma_fw-la that_o be_v the_o emperor_n have_v fix_v their_o habitation_n there_o may_v not_o milan_n and_o ravenna_n have_v claim_v the_o same_o privilege_n see_v some_o emperor_n do_v honour_v those_o city_n with_o their_o presence_n many_o year_n 2._o have_v not_o the_o african_a church_n as_o good_a reason_n to_o decline_v the_o pretend_a authority_n of_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n as_o the_o church_n of_o cyprus_n to_o reject_v the_o jurisdiction_n of_o the_o patriarch_n of_o antioch_n from_o which_o liberate_v at_o last_o by_o the_o three_o general_n council_n since_o they_o have_v still_o a_o primate_n of_o their_o own_o and_o be_v no_o more_o within_o the_o roman_a patriarchat_n than_o cyprus_n be_v within_o that_o of_o antioch_n 3._o since_o all_o sober_a person_n hinc_fw-la inde_fw-la acknowledge_v a_o primacy_n of_o order_n in_o st._n peter_n either_o for_o his_o age_n or_o his_o be_v first_o call_v to_o be_v a_o apostle_n or_o for_o his_o zeal_n or_o some_o other_o reason_n best_o know_v to_o his_o lord_n and_o master_n it_o be_v impossible_a that_o any_o society_n shall_v remain_v long_o without_o confusion_n far_o less_o that_o it_o shall_v continue_v well_o order_v which_o have_v not_o one_o appoint_v to_o be_v the_o mouth_n thereof_o it_o may_v therefore_o be_v pertinent_o demand_v if_o any_o romanist_n can_v produce_v any_o place_n of_o scripture_n which_o import_v a_o formal_a jurisdiction_n in_o st._n peter_n which_o be_v not_o at_o some_o other_o time_n vouchsafe_v on_o the_o catholic_n church_n at_o least_o on_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o apostle_n 4._o dato_n sed_fw-la non_fw-la concesso_fw-la that_o st._n peter_n have_v a_o primacy_n of_o jurisdiction_n over_o all_o the_o general_n member_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n wherefore_o may_v not_o this_o have_v be_v a_o personal_a privilege_n and_o intransmissible_a to_o any_o successor_n no_o less_o than_o the_o gradus_fw-la mosaicus_n be_v to_o any_o other_o prophet_n 5._o upon_o what_o ground_n do_v bellarmin_n and_o other_o call_v christ_n ingemination_n of_o these_o word_n feed_v my_o sheep_n 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