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A42386 A brief examination of the present Roman Catholick faith contained in Pope Pius his new creed, by the Scriptures, antient fathers and their own modern writers, in answer to a letter desiring satisfaction concerning the visibility of the protestant church and religion in all ages, especially before Luther's time. Gardiner, Samuel, 1619 or 20-1686. 1689 (1689) Wing G244; ESTC R29489 119,057 129

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proper_o but_o figurative_o and_o sacramental_o christ_n body_n and_o blood_n this_o book_n be_v still_o extant_a and_o no_o wonder_n condemn_v by_o the_o infallible_a index_n expurgatorius_fw-la aelfricus_fw-la archbishop_n of_o canterbury_n set_v out_o anno_fw-la 996._o in_o the_o saxon_a tongue_n his_o homily_n wherein_o he_o affirm_v that_o the_o bread_n be_v not_o christ_n body_n corporaliter_fw-la corporal_o but_o spiritual_o spiritualiter_fw-la with_o which_o perfect_o agree_v the_o paschal_n saxon_n homily_n of_o aelfrick_n abbot_n of_o malmsbury_n appoint_v public_o to_o be_v read_v to_o the_o people_n in_o england_n on_o easter_n day_n before_o the_o communion_n still_o extant_a in_o manuscript_n in_o the_o public_a library_n of_o the_o university_n of_o oxford_n and_o the_o private_a library_n of_o bennet_n college_n in_o cambridge_n to_o which_o place_n i_o grateful_o acknowledge_v i_o owe_v the_o foundation_n of_o that_o small_a knowledge_n i_o have_v in_o divinity_n heribaldum_fw-la panis_n ille_fw-la est_fw-la corpus_fw-la christi_fw-la figurate_a etc._n
6._o cap_n 19_o passio_fw-la domini_fw-la in_o qua_fw-la tingimur_fw-la mystag_n 4._o in_o sacramentis_fw-la non_fw-la quid_fw-la sint_fw-la sed_fw-la quid_fw-la ostendant_fw-la attenditur_fw-la quoniam_fw-la signa_fw-la sunt_fw-la rerum_fw-la aliud_fw-la existentia_fw-la &_o aliud_fw-la significantia_fw-la aug._n count_v max._n l._n 3._o c._n 22._o ne_fw-fr quis_fw-la attendat_fw-la in_o eye_n quod_fw-la sunt_fw-la etc._n etc._n de_fw-fr doctr._n christ_n c._n 7._o hom._n 16._o in_o sacram._n euchar._n tom._n 6._o wherein_o neither_o we_o nor_o our_o adversary_n admit_v of_o any_o transubstantiation_n thus_o tertullian_n in_o his_o book_n of_o baptism_n say_v that_o thereby_o we_o be_v dye_v in_o the_o passion_n or_o blood_n of_o our_o lord_n in_o like_a manner_n cyril_n of_o jerusalem_n after_o he_o have_v instruct_v christian_n not_o to_o look_v upon_o the_o bread_n and_o wine_n in_o the_o sacrament_n as_o mere_a bread_n and_o wine_n whatever_o sense_n sugge_v but_o as_o the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n affirm_v the_o same_o of_o the_o water_n in_o baptism_n that_o it_o be_v not_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d mere_a or_o bare_a water_n and_o the_o same_o he_o say_v of_o the_o oil_n in_o chrism_n though_o neither_o of_o they_o be_v substantial_o change_v into_o the_o very_a blood_n of_o christ_n many_o more_o instance_n may_v be_v add_v but_o these_o may_v suffice_v i_o will_v only_o take_v notice_n of_o a_o similitude_n use_v by_o st._n chrysostom_n in_o which_o bellarmin_n triumph_v it_o be_v this_o as_o say_v he_o wax_v set_v on_o fire_n lose_v its_o substance_n be_v turn_v into_o fire_n so_o by_o consecration_n the_o substance_n of_o the_o bread_n be_v change_v into_o the_o flesh_n of_o christ_n to_o which_o and_o the_o like_a expression_n quote_v out_o of_o the_o father_n 288._o in_o epiphanium_n pag._n 244._o &_o pag._n 288._o i_o shall_v answer_v in_o the_o word_n of_o petavius_n the_o jesuit_n there_o be_v many_o thing_n say_v he_o in_o the_o holy_a father_n especial_o in_o chrysostom_n scatter_v here_o and_o there_o in_o their_o homily_n which_o if_o you_o will_v reduce_v to_o the_o rule_n of_o exact_a truth_n they_o will_v seem_v altogether_o void_a of_o good_a sense_n 152._o sixtus_n senensis_n lib._n 6._o biblioth_n annotat_fw-la 152._o another_o of_o their_o own_o church_n ingenuous_o aknowledge_v that_o preacher_n such_o as_o the_o father_n be_v in_o their_o homily_n and_o popular_a discourse_n often_o speak_v thing_n by_o a_o hyperbole_n be_v carry_v away_o affectuum_fw-la impetu_fw-la &_o orationis_fw-la cursu_fw-la with_o the_o heat_n of_o their_o affection_n which_o often_o say_v he_o befall_v chrysostom_n yea_o dedimus_fw-la rhetoricati_fw-la sumus_fw-la &_o all_o quid_fw-la declamationibus_fw-la dedimus_fw-la saint_n hierom_n confess_v of_o himself_o we_o have_v play_v the_o rhetorician_n in_o a_o declamatory_n way_n to_o close_v this_o similitude_n be_v the_o weak_a kind_n of_o argument_n neither_o may_v our_o adversary_n in_o prudence_n urge_v this_o similitude_n of_o fire_a wax_n too_o vehement_o against_o we_o if_o so_o they_o must_v necessary_o grant_v that_o not_o only_o the_o substance_n of_o the_o bread_n and_o wine_n in_o the_o sacrament_n cease_v to_o be_v but_o the_o very_a outward_a accident_n also_o for_o when_o wax_n be_v fire_v not_o only_o the_o substance_n but_o the_o very_a accident_n be_v disserent_fw-la from_o what_o they_o be_v before_o and_o so_o much_o at_o present_a for_o transubstantiation_n i_o pass_v to_o the_o next_o article_n purgatory_n purgatory_n 3._o art._n concern_v purgatory_n the_o ancient_a father_n for_o five_o hundred_o year_n after_o christ_n do_v not_o hold_v the_o romish_a doctrine_n of_o purgatory_n as_o a_o article_n of_o faith_n yea_o some_o of_o they_o express_o contradict_v it_o i_o will_v begin_v with_o the_o greek_a father_n clemens_n romanus_n and_o ignatius_n in_o their_o genuine_a write_n take_v no_o notice_n at_o all_o of_o it_o justin_n martyr_n deny_v it_o we_o believe_v say_v he_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d ☜_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d every_o man_n after_o his_o departure_n hence_o go_v according_a to_o his_o work_n either_o into_o everlasting_a punishment_n or_o life_n and_o immediate_o add_v man_n will_v avoid_v sin_n if_o they_o consider_v that_o they_o must_v go_v without_o repentance_n into_o eternal_a punishment_n by_o fire_n but_o of_o endure_v temporal_a punishment_n for_o sin_n by_o fire_n not_o a_o word_n be_v to_o be_v find_v in_o all_o his_o write_n 75._o quest_n 75._o among_o the_o question_n and_o answer_n which_o be_v print_v with_o his_o work_n it_o be_v thus_o resolve_v after_o the_o departure_n of_o soul_n out_o of_o their_o body_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d present_o they_o be_v by_o angel_n carry_v to_o place_n fit_a for_o they_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o just_a to_o paradise_n of_o the_o unjust_a to_o hell_n in_o which_o place_n they_o be_v keep_v until_o the_o resurrection_n 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hic_fw-la sumus_fw-la remedium_fw-la non_fw-la postea_fw-la vita_fw-la constant_n lib._n 4.63_o hade_n there_o remain_v till_o the_o resurrection_n as_o tertullian_n origen_n lactanctius_n ambrose_n and_o other_o of_o the_o father_n hold_v which_o be_v inconsistent_a with_o purgatory_n as_o invocation_n of_o dead_a saint_n also_o and_o contradict_v by_o the_o romanist_n eusebius_n caesariensis_n have_v write_v several_a volume_n in_o all_o which_o as_o scultetus_n have_v note_v there_o be_v not_o the_o least_o mention_n of_o purgatory_n it_o be_v true_a he_o relate_v how_o the_o people_n pray_v for_o the_o soul_n of_o constantine_n but_o constantine_n as_o he_o assure_v we_o in_o the_o next_o chapter_n go_v not_o to_o purgatory_n but_o be_v take_v up_o to_o his_o god_n and_o join_v his_o divine_a part_n his_o soul_n to_o god_n yea_o a_o little_a before_o his_o death_n he_o himself_o as_o eusebius_n report_v use_v these_o word_n now_o i_o know_v myself_o to_o be_v happy_a to_o be_v now_o account_v worthy_a of_o eternal_a life_n prayer_n then_o for_o the_o dead_a do_v not_o necessary_o infer_v purgatory_n 13._o de_fw-fr praep._n evang._n lib._n 11._o c._n 20._o lib._n 13._o i_o grant_v he_o report_v plato_n opinion_n concern_v purgation_n of_o a_o middle_a sort_n of_o man_n by_o temporal_a punishment_n after_o death_n but_o add_v that_o plato_n through_o ignorance_n of_o the_o scripture_n err_v in_o many_o thing_n i_o pass_v to_o athanasius_n in_o all_o who_o write_n though_o many_o and_o large_a i_o can_v find_v no_o mention_n of_o this_o article_n of_o faith_n purgatory_n and_o be_o the_o more_o confirm_v it_o can_v be_v find_v in_o regard_n bellarmin_n quote_v nothing_o out_o of_o he_o or_o eusebius_n against_o we_o gregory_n nazianzen_n in_o his_o oration_n in_o caesarium_fw-la 10._o oratio_fw-la 10._o deliver_v himself_o thus_o i_o be_o move_v by_o the_o say_n of_o the_o wise_a that_o every_o soul_n that_o be_v belove_v of_o god_n as_o the_o soul_n send_v by_o romanist_n to_o purgatory_n be_v acknowledge_v to_o be_v present_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d after_o the_o lose_n from_o the_o body_n and_o departure_n hence_o that_o which_o darken_v the_o mind_n be_v either_o purge_v or_o cast_v from_o it_o or_o do_v away_o in_o what_o sort_n i_o can_v well_o express_v whence_o its_o evident_a he_o believe_v not_o they_o be_v purge_v by_o fire_n as_o romanist_n peremptory_o affirm_v begin_v sensible_o to_o discern_v that_o good_a which_o remain_v for_o it_o to_o be_v fill_v with_o wonderful_a delight_n and_o to_o leap_v for_o joy_n but_o this_o wonderful_a delight_n and_o joy_n can_v consist_v with_o purgatory_n torment_n or_o the_o fear_n of_o they_o nazianzen_n then_o be_v no_o papist_n in_o this_o point_n on_o those_o word_n 〈◊〉_d orat._n de_fw-fr paschate_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d you_o shall_v carry_v out_o nothing_o until_o the_o morning_n etc._n etc._n he_o say_v beyond_o or_o after_o this_o night_n i._n e._n after_o death_n 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