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A17261 Truth and falshood, or, A comparison betweene the truth now taught in England, and the doctrine of the Romish church: with a briefe confutation of that popish doctrine. Hereunto is added an answere to such reasons as the popish recusants alledge, why they will not come to our churches. By Francis Bunny, sometime fellow of Magdalen College in Oxford Bunny, Francis, 1543-1617. 1595 (1595) STC 4102; ESTC S112834 245,334 363

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