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A57809 The Quakers refuge fixed upon the rock of ages, though the swelling waters dash never so violently to overturn it wherein is prov'd, that the narrative of Ralph James is an absolute lying-wonder, according to his own definition : and also, the great controversie between the people of God called Quakers, and others, about the holy spirit of God and the Scriptures, truly stated, and very briefly discoursed, as it is owned by the Quakers, and the truth cleared from the false suggestions and deceitful insinuatins of the anabaptists about the said controversie : in answer to a subtil pamphlet, lately published, intituled, The Quakers subterfuge or evasion overturned : also a few queries propounded unto Ralph James, and the author of the subterfuge &c. / by Robert Ruckhill ; to which is added another postscript in answer to some queries propounded in the said pamphlet, wherein many untruths are suggested ; but herein the truth is cleared, and the evasion and deceit of the Baptists made more fully manifest by John Whitehead. Ruckhill, Robert.; Whitehead, John, 1630-1696. 1673 (1673) Wing R2169; ESTC R21457 28,153 51

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were any thing at all he was most certainly an Anabaptist whereof T. R. in both his Books hath given evident Demonstration Upon the whole matter it 's worth remarking First That the Glory of the Anabaptist Churches is in its swift Declination toward the Western Horizon forasmuch as they are sai to fly to Signs and Lying Wonders to oppose the ●●th and to countenance their false Wayes and ●o●trines Secondly That the Anabaptists Cause in this hot Conflict between them and the ●●akers is now at the very utmost Crisis 〈…〉 this Champion who is mostly ingaged when the ●●se grows desperate is constrain'd in so eminent a Danger to make use of such poor Matter such pittifull shifts as are the Contents of this whole book now under tryal to the great Regret doubtless of their whole Party or such of them as have not yet sacrificed their Intellects to their Envy For it was foolishly boasted by divers Professors and others That the Book now under examination would be like Hercules 's Club or Goliah 's Spear in a word Unanswerable And this brings me to the very Heart of the great Controversie Whether the Holy Spirit or the Scriptures ought to have Priority The Controversie between the Anabaptists Independents together with other Professors the People of God called in Scorn Quakers concerning the Authority of the Holy Spirit in Judging or Discerning the Mind of God in the Holy Scriptures truly stated as owned by the Quakers WHether the first Pen-man of the Scriptures was Moses or Hermes or whether both these are not one or whether there are not many words contained in the Scriptures which were not spoken by Inspiration of the Holy Spirit whether some words were not spoken by the grand Impostor some by Wicked Men some by Wise Men ill applied some by Good Men ill expressed some by False Prophets and yet true some by True Prophets and yet false is not the Subject of my Argument at this time But such Scriptures and Prophecyes as have been written and prophesied by the Holy Men of God as they were moved by the Spirit of God treating of the Mystery of God in the Redemption and Salvation of Mankind by Jesus Christ and the Duty of Man in his Obedience to and Worship of the same God as his reasonable Service for the Gift of so great Salvation are the great Concerns now under our most serious Consideration The People of God scornfully called Quakers have unseignedly believed and often declared to the World That the Scriptures as above distinguished are a true Record and Declaration of the Love of God in the Redemption and Salvation of Mankind by Jesus Christ and also of the Duty of Man as before recited But they also believe and have declared to all the World That the Carnal Mind of Man being at Enmity with God and darkened by reason of Wicked Works cannot perceive nor discern the Mystery of God in the Scriptures declared and testified of For there is a Vail spread over the Hearts of all Men even in their Reading of the Scriptures so as they cannot see through the Letter unto the Mystery either in abolishing the old Covenant with its carnal Ordinances and Beggarly Elements or in introducing the new Covenant with its Spiritual Worship and Services and so being intricated and bewildered in the Letter cannot possibly attain unto the Knowledge of the Spiritual Mystery Now this most excellent Truth having by the Spirit of the Lord been opened and revealed to the Quakers they must of necessity be of this Faith viz. That without a Measure of the holy Spirit of God received and turned unto whereby the Vail is removed from the Heart no Man living can possibly discern or understand the great Mystery of Man's Salvation by Jesus Christ which was exhibited in Shaddow under the old but in lively Substance under the new Covenant although he had a Thousand Bibles in his House and every word of them at his Fingers ends So that upon this Consideration the People of God scornfully called Quakers do unanimously conclude and declare and testifie unto the whole World That the Holy Spirit of God is the only supream Judge Opener and Revealer of the Mind and Mystery of God and Duty of Man treated of in the Scriptures This oh ye Anabaptists and Independents and all other Opposers of this eternal Truth in the whole World this is the true State of the great Controversie betwixt the Quakers and you and if you will joyn issue with the Quakers in this Controversie you must do it as it is here stated at least in Substance for I am willing to give place to better words and order from whomsoever and you must lay aside all your prodigious Signs and lying Wonders and pretended Cures for these will not decide this great Controversie as ye vainly imagine And you must bring forth your strong Reasons and sound Arguments grounded upon plain Demonstrations of Truth and clear Evidence of Scripture and if the Truth be on your part you will be able to make it appear before wise understanding Men whoever your Opposers are and you will overcome us if you have the Truth for great is the Truth and will prevail and we must and will submit unto the Truth and to you But if the Truth appear on our part we in the Wisdom of God shall make it manifest the Truth will stand over your Heads and we will thresh you and winnow as the Chaff on the Threshing-Floor and the Wind of the Lord will blow you away with your Refuge of Lyes and your Nakedness will be discovered in the sight of all Men. Again This Author Subter pag. 5. falsly suggests to his too credulous Readers as if the Controversie depending between the Baptists Churches and the People called Quakers was touching the holy Scriptures or to express it more fully saith he The Authority of the Holy Ghost as he speaks in the Scriptures to try and judge the Spirits of Men which they term the Spirit of God Thus he But whether there be not a Lying Spirit however a Lying Tongue in the Mouth of this False Prophet let the Sober-minded judge And I here challenge him upon his Credit and Reputation with his own People either to produce in open view one clear Proof at least of any Declaration either by word or writing where any of the Quakers have termed the spirits of Men the Spirit of God or else let his stand opon record among his own People as a Lyar and a Slanderer to all Generations Again The Deceit of this Author further appears in his recital of the Narrative for the first Copy renders R. James and R. A. contending Whether the Spirit should try the Scripture or the Scripture the Spirit mark here is Spirit Spirit in the singular number as the Spirit of God is but one but in his recital Subter p. 7. he renders them contending Whether the Scriptures were to try the Spirits or the
Spirits to try the Scriptures It s possible some Readers may judge me too Nice and Critical in this Observe but I must beg their Excuse if it be worth begging for I see his Design in it is to steal a Conceit unperceived into the Reader 's Mind that the Quakers hold That the Multifarious Spirits of Men were to try the Scriptures and not the Scriptures to try that Many-headed Monster Let all sober People take notice of his spirit in this But its worth our Consideration what should be the bottom of this Man 's Meaning where he so often makes use of this unusual manner of speaking viz. The Authority of the spirit as he speaks in the Scripture to try and judge c. Does he mean that the Authority and Mind of the holy Spirit respecting the Truths recorded in the Scriptures is the same at this day as it was in old time when it indicted the Scriptures in the Hearts of the holy Men of God If so I must confess I cannot assign him an Opposite for saving the change of Dispensations and Rudiments the blessed Truths revealed or declared of in the Scriptures are the same now as ever and with the holy Spirit there is no Variableness neither any shaddow of Turning Or if he intend thus for I would not mistake him Judging all labour lost that is spent upon mistakes That seeing it is true that the holy Spirit gave forth the Scriptures at the first there is unto this day such an inseparable and intrinsecal Conjunction between the Authority and Mind of the Holy Spirit and the Scriptures that he that hath the Scriptures hath the Authority and Mind of the Holy Spirit also This I confess of the two seems to be nearest his meaning by how much it is furthest from the Truth yet forasmuch as I have it not as his sence under his own hand and also have cause to fear that if it be his sence yet when he perceives a Quaker owns it he will recede from it he shall find me a fair Opposite That there is an inseparable Conjunction or Union between the Authority and Mind of the holy Spirit and the essential or substantial Truth declared in the Scriptures I grant and confess unto it but do not start back now because a Quaker confesses the Truth as the manner of most of you is but that therefore he that has the Scriptures hath also the Authority and Mind of the holy Spirit I deny If I have hit right of his meaning as till I know the contrary under his Hand I believe I have he ought to prove that part of his Position which is denyed but seeing Truth is precious as well as Time and the green-Grass to day may be withered to morrow I shall invert my Capacity take the sword by the Point and endeavour to prove That a Man may have the Scriptures in his Mother-Tongue and yet be utterly without or ignorant of the Authority and Mind of the holy Spirit For Proof of this Position I shall not stir one Foot from my Opposite who in p. 7. of his Subterfuge now under search tells us That after R. Anderson had made his Confession of the Anabaptists Faith in that Cardinal Point of Water-Baptism he met with the Quakers who told him as he said that these things i. e. Water-Baptism was low Now here my Opposite interposes his own Faith and Judgment in the Case and is not afraid to tell the Quakers and the whole Nation That the Water-Baptism is the Way of Life above to the Wise so to procure their more reverend esteem of it and because he perceived such a bold Averment stood need of Scripture-Authority to back it he cites Prov. 15.24 the words run thus The Way of Life is above to the Wise to avoid from Hell beneath Now let the Spiritual Man judge in this case Is Water-Baptism to take it at the best the Way of Life Did the holy Spirit in the Wise Man mean so Can Water-Baptism deliver or save from Hell Is that the Authority or Mind of the holy Spirit in that Scripture Let the Spiritual Man judge I am the Way saith Christ Water-Baptism is the Way saith this Author I was manifest to destroy the Works of the Devil and to save from Death and Hell saith Christ Water Baptism is the Way on high to avoid from Hell beneath saith my Opposite Now whose Testimony will ye receive Let the sober Christian judge whither these Anabaptists are going The parallel Scriptures with this are Phil. 3.20 and Col. 3.1 both which direct us to set our Assections on things above where Christ is at the Right-Hand of God our Saviour Hence of necessity will follow these Conclusions First Though this Author hath the Scriptures yet he is ignorant of the Authority and Mind of the Holy Spirit Secondly Through Ignorance of the Authority and Mind of the Holy Spirit he hath erred from the Truth and fairly convict himself 1. Of a most gross Idolatry as hath been fully manifest 2. Of a Ridiculous Solecism in terming Submersion or Plunging under Water a Way on high From his Idolatry nothing but a Re-baptization in the Tears of Repentance towards God and Faith towards our Lord Jesus Christ can redeem him But for his Solecism that Offence being rather against Grammar then Scripture if the intelligent Reader will please but to indulge him with a favourable Aspect the Quakers will pass it by The Third and Last Conclusion is clearly this as before asserted That without a Measure of the holy Spirit of God received and turned unto whereby the Vail is ●ent from the Heart no Man living can understand or discern the Authority and Mind of the holy Spirit as he spake in old time by his Prophets of the great Mystery now revealed to wit Christ in you the Hope of Glory And this gives a full and undeniable Probation unto that grand Position the Ground and Original of the Anabaptists great Controversie with the Quakers That the holy Spirit of God is the only Supream Judge Discerner and Revealer of the Mind and Mystery of God and of the Duty of Man required in the Scriptures Now if any Man object against this and say I have been too rash and hasty to conclude thus only upon one Mans Error and Mistake and that many others may notwithstanding be more clear I answer Be it far from me to conclude all under this Man's Error and Idolatry nay I know there are many of the People of the Lord who by the Illumination of his good Spirit are inabled to discern in measure what his Mind and Will is but if you do but impartially consider the Ground and Cause of this Man's Error and Idolatry you may perceive the Argument will hold from Particulars to Generals as thus If one Man be blind for want of his Eyes then ten thousand Men wanting their Eyes must be blind also If this Author hath committed a gross Idolatry for want of the
Light of the holy Spirit then may a whole Nation wanting the Guidance of the holy Spirit be Idolaters also Here you see the Ground and Cause of Blindness and Idolatry is their Eyes not being opened by the holy Spirit to understand the Scriptures so the Argument holds true throughout all and the aforesaid Position is clearly proved as before was promised And now oh ye Anabaptists and Independents who affirm That the Scriptures are to try and judge of the holy Spirit come let me expostulate with you a little What Assurance can you give the Quakers or what Grounds or Encouragements to believe in case the Judicial Power were in your Hands that in your Tryal of the holy Spirit by the Scriptures as he appears in the Quakers or in whomsoever your proceedings will be more equal just and clear and your selves more free from Mistakes of him then the professing Jews were when by the same Rule they would try the same holy Spirit as it appeared in an immeasurable Measure in Jesus of Nazareth Shew us I pray you wherein you are better wiser juster clearer in your Principles and Judgments then they Do you account your selves the Church of God So did they Do you say you have his Commandments and Ordinances So said they Have you Anabaptists such a high Esteem of your Baptism as to account it the Way of Life to avoid from Hell beneath The like Esteem had they of their Fleshly Circumcision as to teach that without it Men could not be saved Have you the Scriptures and do you reckon them a Competent Judge of the Spirit of God So had they and in them thought they had Eternal Life and yet for all this they knew not the Messiah of whom the Scriptures testified but having most wickedly Betrayed Apprehended and Arraigned him before the Roman Tribunal methinks I hear the Deputy and them thus implead each other in the Case of the true Messiah Pilate What Accusation bring ye against this Man Jews If he were not a Malefactor we would not have delivered him unto thee Pilate Deceit lurks in generals what Evil hath he done Jews He perverts the Nation forbids to pay Tribute to Cesar saying himself is Christ a King In Design doutbless to usurp the Empire and assume Cesar's Revenue Pilate Away away for Shame What nothing but Lyes and Slanders I now perceive your Envy I find no Fault in him at all ●●le release him Jews Crucifie him crucifie him Pilate Why what Evil hath he done Jews He is a Blasphemer A horrible Blasphemer and he ought to dye for it Pilate Take ye him then and Crucifie him for I find no Fault in him Jews By our Law he should be Stoned to Death but ye Romans have taken away that Power it is not lawful for us to put any man to Death Pilate Say then what is his Blasphemy Jews He is but a Carpenter's Son we know his Pedegree and yet he made himself the Son of God and the Saviour of the World and that 's horrid Blasphemy Pilate Son of God! my Heart Trembles at that word ye obdurate Wretches how appears it that he ought to dye for this Jews We have a Law and by our Law he ought to dye because he made himself the Son of God Pilate Produce your Law that I may see it Jews It is in the four and twentieth Chapter of Leviticus and the sixteenth Verse Pilate Read it verbatim Jews And he that Blasphemeth the Name of the Lord shall surely be put to Death all the Congregation shall Stone him to Death as well the Stranger as he that is born in the Land when he Blasphemeth the Name of the Lord let him be Slain And now ye Anabaptists and Independents and thou Author of the Subterfuge be ingenuous and tell the Quakers and the whole Nation truly Whether ye do believe that the Authority of the holy Spirit as he speaks in this precited Scripture did really intend the Murder of the Messiah as a Blasphemer yea or nay if nay as most certainly nay then tell us How it came to pass the Jews should so grosly mistake and misapply it and shew unto us and to all the World if you can what they wanted which might shew them the true Mind of the Lord in that place and in all other Prophesies which spake of the Messiah seeing you cannot deny but they had the Scripture and according to your deceitful way of wording it the Authority of the holy Spirit as he speaks in the Scriptures not onely read but expounded unto them every Sabbath Day If the Jews mistake arose from their Ignorance of the Authority and Mind of the holy Spirit as he spoke forth the Scriptures as sure enough it did which it could not have done had they receiv d the Spirit then behold the Jews also are found misunderstanding the Scriptures for want of the holy Spirit as well as my Opposite was and here 's one clear proof more come unlooked for of my former position viz. That a Man nay a whole Nation of Men may have the Scriptures in his or their Mother Tongue and yet be utterly ignorant of the Authority and Mind of the holy Spirit And therefore the matter standing thus ye are hereby required and obliged to produce some satisfactory and convincing Reason why the Quakers should expect more equal proceeding at your hands in the Judgment aforesaid in case you had the civil Power then our Lord Jesus Christ found at the Hands of the Jews seeing you have no more then they had to wit the Letter of the Scriptures to judge withal and that you have no more then they appears in this that you deny the holy Spirit as he appears in his Servants to be the Revealer of the Scriptures and supream judge of the Spirits and Doctrines of Men and if ye can produce no such convincing Reason as may give the Quakers reasonable acquiescence in this Concern forasmuch as they are verily perswaded that although you have the Scriptures you want the Guidance of the holy Spirit truly to discern them it lies upon you as a Work of absolute necessity ye Anabaptists and thou Author of this Subterfuge to exhibit unto the Quakers in the Sight of the whole Nation some pregnant Proof and infallible Demonstration that you are not deceitful Sophisters and cunning Jugglers in your doubtful and ambiguous Expressions and Amphibologies dispersed in sundry places of your Books and particularly in that called the Subterfuge as before is noted about the Scriptures the Spirits of Men and the holy Spirit as he speaks in the Scriptures c. which is corrupt and uncertain Language as you use it and it is apparent you do it not only of Ignorance but Wilfulness and your Deceits therein are made manifest unto all You are also oblieged and required to prove if you can positively and plainly to the Satisfaction of all Men that may doubt thereof that all Men whosoever that have the Scriptures have
also the Authority of the Holy Spirit as he speaketh in them And shew us also how it cometh to pass that Men mistake them notwithstanding And you must also prove That the Scriptures are indeed a Competent Judge of the Holy Spirit as he appeareth in his Servants And you must invalidate all whatsoever is here written and proved to the contrary And if you shall fail to do all this by clear Proofs and evident Demonstrations of Truth for Trifling and Impertinency will not serve your turn nor Lyes shall no longer be your Refuge then will your Vizards be taken off your Faces and your Refuge of Lyes will be swept away and in the sight of the Quakers whom you Despise and of the whole Nation you will appear to your great Shame and Contempt to be what indeed you are For they that dwell at Jerusalem and their Rulers because they knew him not nor yet the Voices of the Prophets which are read every Sabbath Day they have fulfilled them in condemning of him Acts 13.27 A few Queries to Ralph James and the Author of the Subterfuge Overturned c. by them to be Answered in Truth and Plainness I. WHether is our Lord Jesus Christ whom the Scriptures testifie to be the Light and Salvation of God to the Ends of the Earth the only true Way of Life on high to avoid from Hell beneath yea or nay If yea then whether to affirm Water-Baptism to be the Way of Life on high to avoid from Hell beneath be not abominable Idolatry at least if not Blasphemy II. Supposing Water-Baptism were the Appointment of God as other things of like signification in former Dispensations have been yet if the Ministers thereof should Idolatrously intrude it into the Place and Office of Christ our Saviour that is affirm it to be the Way of Life to avoid from Hell beneath whether such Idolatrous intrusion be not as signal a Pollution of the said Ordinance of Water-baptism as the like Abuse of the Ordinances of God Isa 1. did pollute and render them abominable unto the Lord If yea then whether it be not high time for all and every Man concerned therein to arise and depart thence as not being their Rest it being so filthily polluted III. Seeing the Latin Verb baptizo is synonimous with the Greek 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which signifies to dip or plunge whether T. R. his calling your Water Baptism dipping in Water or your calling it the Way of Life on high to avoid from Hell beneath be the greater Abuse of the Way of the Lord and therein of God himself Answer plainly IV. Seeing it appears by the Scriptures that the Apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ wrought their Miracles Acts. 3.6 and cured Diseases by the Name of Jesus of Nazareth then Whether the Sons of Sceva their pretending to do the like Miracles by the same Name doth prove them to speak the very Language and Spirit of the Apostles yea or nay If nay as most certainly nay then with what Reason or Conscience canst thou affirm that R. Anderson in exhorting R. James to turn to the Light within spake the very Language and Spirit of the Quakers this Query is to the Author of the Subterfuge c. that he may clear himself from Deceit if he can V. Whether the Testimony which that Pythoness gave unto the Persons and Doctrine of the Apostle Paul and Sylas is not given as fully Acts 16. and at as high a Rate as any Testimony ye can pretend R. Anderson gave to the Persons or Doctrine of the Quakers And whether in such Testimony she appeared as a Proselite of the Christian Faith and as a Prophetess of the Christians yea or nay if nay then shew unto the Quakers and the whole Nation if you can why R. Anderson his testifying for the Persons and Way of the Quakers as ye pretend he did but prove it not should prove him a Quaker or appearing as one of their Prophets he being by your own Confession at that Time possessed with a Spirit of Delusion as she was then with a Spirit of Divination VI. Seeing R. James avers in his Narrative That R. Anderson pronounced him a Leper from the Crown of the Head to the Sole of the Foot and that the same Judgment as he said was fallen upon one of his Children Whether you are not very deceitfull and unworthy Persons thus to abuse the Quakers and the whole Nation with a Counterfeit and ●orged Story of such a horrid Leprosie sith in exchange thereof you are now at last glad to accept of a Simple Sore And if ye think to avoid the Horror of your Guilt and Shame with this Evasion He said so he said so charging the poor Man your own Member with a Lye Then Whither doth not this evidence to the whole Nation your implacable Envy and Malice against an Innocent People that durst with so great Confidence attempt to asperse and slander them only upon the false and single say so of such a Person as even your selves then judged to be a false Prophet and possessed with a Spirit of Delusion And if your inveterate Envy and Malice herein be manifest to the Nation as doubtless it is then let the Nation and the whole World judge whether R. James be not infected with a more dangerous Leprosie then ever Mirjam was and like to continue so without Repentance until his Dying Day VII It being evident to the Nation that R. Anderson was no Quaker his Child not leprous his Wife and Family not so diseased as you pretended nor your Church such Workers of Miracles as you boasted but your whole pretence a meer malicious Juggle and Imposture which yet you pretend to be an Eminent Hand of God! Such a Witness of God little less then a Miracle tending to the Honour of God Exaltation of his Wayes and Appointments Establishments of his People Decision of the great Controversie Strength to the weak Hands and feeble Knees of his poor People c. and then to conclude thus And the Lord was mercifully pleased to hear our poor Prayers for them and to restore them c. with such like seeming devout Words wherewith your Letters and Narrative are repleat All this considered it s queried whether the Quakers and the whole Nation may not without the least Breach of Charity safely conclude that ye Anabaptists and Independents who have been either Actors Contrivers Asserters of or Witnesses to this Mischievous piece of Pageantry are the most notorious Dissemblers with God and the World and the very'st Hypocrites that ever our Lord Jesus Christ pronounced Wo against Quit your selves if you can VIII Whether they that make no Conscience to be Jugglers Lyars Hypocrites proud Boasters and the like or they that discover detect and affirm them to be such are the great Offenders IX Whether they that call and are call'd Rabbi Rabbi do not break that express Command of Christ Mat. 23.8 10. yea or nay If