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A15733 An ansvvere to a popish pamphlet, of late newly forbished, and the second time printed, entituled: Certaine articles, or forcible reasons discouering the palpable absurdities, and most notorious errors of the Protestants religion. By Anthony Wotton Wotton, Anthony, 1561?-1626.; Wright, Thomas, d. 1624. Certaine articles or forcible reasons. 1605 (1605) STC 26002; ESTC S120304 112,048 194

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light_a enough_o in_o itself_o to_o discover_v and_o abolish_v heresy_n which_o they_o that_o will_v may_v by_o conference_n of_o diverse_a place_n discern_v off_o look_v my_o answer_n to_o the_o second_o and_o three_o article_n there_o follow_v a_o extravagant_a syllogism_n which_o belong_v to_o the_o 6._o article_n of_o the_o second_o part_n this_o it_o be_v papist_n whosoever_o exhort_v we_o to_o doubt_v of_o that_o which_o we_o be_v bind_v to_o believe_v by_o faith_n exhort_v we_o to_o infidelity_n but_o s._n paul_n exhort_v we_o to_o doubt_v of_o our_o salvation_n which_o we_o be_v bind_v to_o believe_v by_o faith_n according_a to_o the_o protestant_n religion_n ergo_fw-la s._n paul_n exhort_v we_o to_o infidelity_n protestant_n i_o deny_v your_o assumption_n s._n paul_n do_v not_o exhort_v we_o to_o doubt_v of_o our_o salvation_n but_o command_v we_o to_o use_v the_o mean_n whereby_o we_o may_v come_v to_o assurance_n viz._n still_o to_o stand_v in_o fear_n and_o watch_v over_o 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