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B12489 A persvvasion to the English recusants, to reconcile themselues to the Church of England Written for the better satisfaction of those which be ignorant. By Iohn Doue Doctor of Diuinitie. Dove, John, 1560 or 61-1618. 1603 (1603) STC 7085; ESTC S110110 29,134 40

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Lutherans to be more cold and the brunt almost passed ouer tooke vpon him to expound the meaning of the Tridentine counsell and to conster all points to as grosse sense as they were euer before But nowe they beginne to incline to vs againe insomuch that Cardinall Bellarmine late Diuinitie Reader of Rome and the learnedest Diuine of that Church which now liueth in the course of his controuersie lectures though where he deliuereth the state of the question he bringeth what may be brought on their side for fashion sake that he may auoide all suspition of heresie with them yet he handleth his matters so cunningly and so doubtfully that in his conclusions he agreeth with vs in many things although in diuers termes wherein his predecessors vtterly dissented from vs. And in many things he sheweth himselfe to be so farre as he dareth a Protestant or at the least not a Papist if we take papistrie to be that which before it was And whosoeuer doth obserue him well shal finde how he discourseth of many things superfluous like one which is more desirous to deceiue the time to fill vp the page with varietie of reading multitudes of Fathers and citations of places then to refute vs. Yet his Volumes are allowed by the Inquisition and he is rewarded for his learned workes Therefore I say papistrie is newely corrected and refined they hold the same conclusions in generall termes which they did but they hold them not as they did they seeke out new defences as if they could not stand to the olde come neerer to vs in iudgement euery day For so it hath pleased God in this latter end of the world to lighten their darknesse and to quicken the dulnesse of their vnderstanding Touching the first if they will vnderstand what heresie is they must distinguish betweene heresie and errour for euery heresie is an error but euery error is not an heresie As there is one error in maners and so euery haynous offence is called a crime as the adulterie of Dauid but such offences as are committed only vpon infirmitie are cald by the general name of errors so there is another error in doctrine and euery man which holdeth a wrong opinion is said to erre as the Apostle did which supposed the Kingdome of Christ to be of this world and that the Gospel was Actes 1. Acts 11. not to be published to the Gentiles and these errors were no heresies but that which is heresie is more dangerous and of an higher nature It is an old saying Errare possum hereticus esse nolo I may easily erre as all men haue done but an heretike I will not be I define an heresie in this maner It is an error stifly and obstinately defended and maintained not by a consequent but directly impugning some Article of faith For example the Disciples Act. 15 erred when they helde it necessarie to be circumcised yet were not heretikes because they were not obstinate for they submitted themselues to the iudgement of the Church and after due consultation was had they consented to the truth Againe that opinion did not directly impugne faith but onely by a consequent for so saith the Apostle Behold I Paul say vnto you if Gal. 5 you be circumcised Christ shall profit you nothing for I testifie againe to euery one which is circumcised that he is bound to keepe the whole Law Then if we allow of Circumcision wee hold the Ceremoniall Law to be still in force and by a consequent deny the death of Christ by whose death onely that Law was abolished But Arrius was condemned for an heretike in the councell of Nice for these two causes First he defended his error obstinately vntill his bellie burst and bowels gushed out not yeelding to the learned Bishops of the world which conuicted him by manifest places of the scriptures Secondly hee denied the Godhead of Christ contrary to the article of the Creede which hath and I beleeue in Iesus Christ his onely son and the doctrine of saint Paul which saith hee was mightily declared Rom. 1 to bee the Son of God by his resurrection from the dead and of saint Iohn which saith God was the word It is one thing therefore to denie the faith directly as to say Christ hath not yet suffered and another thing to denie it by a consequent as they which hold a necessitie of circumcision But as for vs we neither hold any opinions obstinately because we wil recant subscribe to the Church of Rome if they can disproue vs by the scriptures Neither doe we impugne any article of faith because wee holde the Creed of the Apostles of Athanasius of Nice of Ephesus of Constantinople which the Papists also do hold and the same Bible which we receiued from them and we expound all these as all godly and learned antiquitie hath expounded them before vs and therefore wee are vniustly charged with heresie That I may come to the second thing which I proposed No Church can be condemned and adiudged hereticall by any priuate censure but it must be publike Therefore they alleage for our condemnation the decrees of the councell of Trent against the authoritie of which councell we take these iust exceptions First they call it a generall councell as if almost all the Diuines of the world had beene assembled there Let vs therefore number how many were present They reckon for the credit of that councell as present sixe Cardinalls foure Legates three Patriarkes two and thirtie Archbishops two hundred twentie eight Bishops and fiue Abbats Wee denie not but at the end of the councel so many were procured to be there but at the beginning when matters were propounded at the time when points of religion were argued and debated they exceeded not the number of fortie Bishoppes foure Legates very small assembly to deserue the name of a generall councell to consider of so many weightie causes Onely therefore at the latter end the Pope seeing almost all Bishops to forbeare comming thither did create new Bishops to make vp a number and grace the councell with their presence and to subscribe to all conclusions for forme sake which they did neither here argued by others nor yet well consider of their selues Therefore let indifferencie be the Iudge betweene them and vs whether so rash a censure was to stand in force Secondly who were there onely our aduersaries which Ioh. 7 were of a contrary religion we were not present so that they did not onely by vs as the Pharisies did by our Sauiour contrary to lawe contemne vs in our absence and our cause being not heard but also the same men were both our accusers and our Iudges If ye aske a reason why we were not there had wee letters of safe conduct either could we haue trusted to such conduct if it had bin graunted What if they should haue falsified their promise made to vs as they did to Iohn Huz in the councell of