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A49112 A continuation and vindication of the Defence of Dr. Stillingfleet's Unreasonableness of separation in answer to Mr. Baxter, Mr. Lob, &c. containing a further explication and defence of the doctrine of Catholick communication : a confutation of the groundless charge of Cassandrianism : the terms of Catholick communion, and the docrine of fundamentals explained : together with a brief examination of Mr. Humphrey's materials for union / by the author of The defence. Long, Thomas, 1621-1707. 1682 (1682) Wing L2964; ESTC R21421 191,911 485

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by Hereticks received those to Communion who never had any valid Baptism and yet St. Cyprian who did believe this rather chose to communicate with that Church which admitted unbaptized Persons into her Communion than to disturb the Peace and divide the Communion of the Christian Church For indeed that Father lookt upon the Communion of the Church as necessary and effectual to Salvation as the Sacraments themselves nay able to supply the defects of Sacraments For in his Epistle to Jubaianus in answer to that Question what shall become of those who have formerly been received into the Church without Baptism he tells him the Lord is able of his own mercy to grant Pardon and Indulgence to those who returning to the Church and being only barely admitted to the Communion of it dyed in its Peace and Communion and not to separate them from the Rewards of his Church That is that living in Communion with the Church is able to supply even the want of Baptism itself And St. Austin discourses very much to the same purpose Homines enim sumus unde aliquid aliter sapere quam se res habet humana tentatio est nimis autem amando sententiam suam vel invidendo melioribus usque ad praecidendae communionis condendi schismatis vel haeresis sacrilegium pervenire diabolica praesumptio est Aug. de bapt l. 2. cap. 5. and observes that whatever different apprehensions we may have of many things the safest way is to continue in the Communion of the Church which will sanctifie our very errors and mistakes To be sure you cannot name any thing in Ecclesiastical Discipline of greater moment than this Dispute about the re-baptization of Hereticks Aug. contra Parmeniani epist l. 2. cap. 11. and yet St. Cyprian did not think this a sufficient reason to break Communion In a Word nothing can be better said about Discipline than what St. Austin has observed that many times things are at that pass that it is necessary to loosen the reins of Discipline to prevent a Schism which an unseasonable severity may threaten the Church with the number of bad men in a Church may make Discipline unpracticable in some cases and it is better for good men to tolerate the bad who cannot defile their Communion than to break communion with those who are good As for Ecclesiastical Rites and Ceremonies there is an admirable Epistle of St. Austin to Januarius which states this whole matter He first observes Aug. ep Januario 118. that the Yoke of Christ is very easie and gentle that he has united his Church into one Body and Society by very few Sacraments easie to be observed and excellent in their signification such as Baptism and the Lod's Supper or whatever other observances we find enjoyned in the holy Scripture excepting the servitude of the Mosaick Law But there are other things observed by the Church which are not written in the Scriptures but received by tradition and such observances as these which are received by the whole Catholick Church are either of Apostolical Institution or the Decrees of General Councils which have the greatest and most beneficial Authority in the Church Such are the Annual Solemnities in memory of the Passion Resurrection Ascension of our Lord and the descent of the Holy Ghost upon the Apostles which are observ'd in all parts of the Church For it seems in St. Austin's time the superstition of these days had not been discovered But there are some Customs which are observed differently in several Churches As some fast on the Saturday others do not Some receive the Communion of the Body and Blood of Christ every day others only at certain times others only on Saturday and Sunday others only on Sundays Totum hoc genus rerum liberas habet observationes nec disciplina ulla est in his melior gravi prudentique Christiano quàm ut eo modo agat quo agere viderit ecclesiam ad quamcunque forte devenerit Ib. Now all things of this nature may be observed either one way or other nor is there any better Rule for a grave and prudent Christian in such matters than to observe the custom of the Church in which he lives or whither he travels For whatever is commanded which is neither contrary to Faith nor to good Manners is to be accounted indifferent and to be observed for the preservation of the Communion in which we live Quod enim nequecontra sidem neque contra bonos more 's injungitur indifferenter est habendum pro corum inter quos vivitur societate servandum est And this St. Austin confirms with that sage Advice he received from St. Ambrose when he was at Milan which he says he always as often as he thought of it took for a divine Oracle For the Church of Milan did not fast on the Saturday according to the custom of many other Churches and St. Austin's Mother following him thither and being uncertain what she should do whether observe the custom of her own Church to fast on Saturday or the custom of the Church of Milan where she then was not to do it he consulted St. Ambrose about it who returned him this answer When I am at Rome I fast on Saturdays when I am here I do not And thus I would have you do to observe the Custom of the Church whither you come if you would neither be a scandal to others nor have them a scandal to you A great deal more to this purpose there is in that excellent Epistle and indeed these are the only terms of Catholick Communion For if every different Custom Usage and Ceremony in a Church shall cause a Separation there are few Churches can live in Communion with each other And thus I hope I have made it appear that Catholick Communion is not an impracticable notion but is indeed as easie as it is necessary to be observed CHAP. VI. An Examination of Mr. Lob's suggestions to prove the Dissenters according to my own Principles to be no Schismaticks and a further inquiry who is the divider IT will not be amiss now after all this grave and serious Discourse to divert my Readers a little with a more pleasant and entertaining Scene For Mr. Lob seems to me to be a great Droll and to maintain a Dispute by the irresistible power of Wit and pleasant Conceits where Arguments fail It is wonderful to observe with what admirable art and dexterity he has retorted my Arguments upon my self and given life to a dying and languishing Cause with the same Weapons which gave it its mortal Wound I thought I had proved our Dissenters who separate from the Church of England to be Schismaticks as far as proving their Separation to be Schism and answering their several Pleas for Separation proved them Schismaticks but Mr. Lob has discovered that I have been kinder to them than I was aware of and by my own Principles have excused them from