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i_o mean_v the_o moral_a part_n contain_v the_o commandment_n remain_v only_o in_o force_n not_o because_o it_o be_v institute_v then_o but_o because_o those_o commaundment_n be_v ground_v on_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n be_v always_o in_o force_n and_o therefore_o ordain_v again_o to_o be_v keep_v in_o the_o new_a law_n in_o which_o respect_n the_o commandment_n concern_v the_o sabbath_n do_v not_o now_o bind_v christian_n as_o it_o be_v then_o ordain_v and_o practise_v 15._o and_o therefore_o m._n andrews_n may_v aswell_o introduce_v polygamy_n practise_v in_o the_o old_a law_n as_o the_o spiritual_a supremacy_n of_o king_n if_o we_o shall_v grant_v that_o they_o then_o have_v any_o such_o and_o with_o much_o more_o reason_n may_v he_o teach_v abstinence_n from_o pudding_n and_o other_o meat_n make_v of_o blood_n see_v that_o we_o find_v some_o commandment_n or_o ordinance_n thereof_o in_o the_o act_n of_o apostle_n whereas_o there_o be_v no_o one_o syllable_n in_o all_o the_o new_a testament_n supremacy_n to_o prove_v that_o king_n have_v any_o spiritual_a authority_n over_o the_o church_n it_o be_v most_o evident_a that_o all_o those_o place_n of_o scripture_n which_o he_o or_o any_o other_o do_v or_o can_v allege_v out_o of_o the_o new_a testament_n to_o that_o purpose_n do_v concern_v only_o temporal_a obedience_n to_o the_o pagan_a emperor_n or_o prince_n who_o be_v then_o persecutor_n of_o the_o church_n and_o therefore_o can_v not_o be_v spiritual_a head_n or_o governor_n thereof_o nor_o obey_v by_o christian_n in_o spiritual_a matter_n and_o this_o i_o say_v the_o rather_o because_o m._n andrews_n do_v not_o only_o here_o but_o also_o throughout_o his_o whole_a book_n seem_v to_o ground_v his_o doctrine_n of_o the_o king_n spiritual_a primacy_n special_o upon_o the_o law_n of_o moses_n as_o i_o shall_v have_v occasion_n to_o show_v further_o hereafter_o which_o sufficient_o bewray_v the_o beggary_n and_o misery_n of_o his_o cause_n
be_v head_n governor_n and_o pastor_n of_o the_o universal_a church_n but_o not_o in_o the_o same_o manner_n that_o peter_n be_v for_o they_o have_v a_o chief_a and_o most_o ample_a power_n as_o apostle_n or_o legate_n but_o peter_n have_v it_o as_o ordinary_a pastor_n beside_o that_o they_o have_v their_o full_a power_n in_o such_o sort_n that_o nevertheless_o peter_n be_v their_o head_n and_o they_o depend_v of_o he_o and_o not_o he_o of_o they_o and_o this_o be_v that_o which_o be_v promise_v to_o peter_n matth._n 16._o when_o it_o be_v say_v unto_o he_o in_o presence_n of_o the_o rest_n upon_o this_o rock_n i_o will_v buyld_v my_o church_n which_o beside_o the_o other_o father_n before_o cite_v s._n hierome_n teach_v in_o his_o first_o book_n against_o jovinian_a where_o explicate_v what_o be_v the_o meaning_n of_o building_n the_o church_n upon_o peter_n he_o say_v thus_o licèt_fw-la super_fw-la omnes_fw-la apostolos_fw-la etc._n etc._n although_o the_o strength_n of_o the_o church_n be_v establish_v equal_o upon_o all_o the_o apostle_n yet_o therefore_o one_o be_v choose_v among_o the_o twelve_o to_o the_o end_n that_o a_o head_n be_v make_v the_o occasion_n of_o schism_n may_v be_v take_v away_o 27._o thus_o far_o the_o cardinal_n which_o i_o hope_v may_v suffice_v to_o teach_v m._n andrews_n how_o the_o church_n be_v found_v equal_o upon_o the_o apostle_n to_o wit_n the_o two_o first_o way_n whereof_o the_o cardinal_n speak_v as_o mention_v in_o the_o apocalypse_n and_o the_o epistle_n to_o the_o ephesian_n where_o not_o only_o the_o apostle_n but_o also_o the_o prophet_n be_v call_v foundation_n of_o the_o church_n which_o may_v well_o stand_v with_o the_o primacy_n of_o s._n peter_n and_o s._n hieromes_n doctrine_n concern_v the_o same_o whereas_o m._n andrews_n make_v s._n hierome_n impugn_v s._n peter_n primacy_n by_o the_o equality_n that_o he_o mention_v make_v he_o contradict_v himself_o and_o overthrow_v his_o own_o doctrine_n in_o the_o very_a next_o word_n after_o wherein_o he_o expound_v as_o the_o cardinal_n note_v very_o well_o what_o be_v mean_v by_o the_o building_n of_o the_o church_n upon_o s._n peter_n signify_v that_o it_o be_v to_o be_v understand_v thereby_o that_o our_o saviour_n make_v s._n peter_n head_n of_o the_o apostle_n as_o i_o will_v show_v further_o hereafter_o by_o m._n andrews_n his_o own_o confession_n so_o that_o it_o be_v clear_a enough_o that_o the_o cardinal_n leave_v not_o those_o word_n of_o s._n hierome_n uncyte_v sequ_o as_o prejudicial_a to_o peter_n primacy_n but_o only_o for_o brevitye_n sake_n bellarmine_n and_o that_o therefore_o m._n andrews_n have_v notable_o calumniate_v he_o as_o well_o in_o this_o place_n as_o in_o the_o former_a seek_v to_o cast_v upon_o he_o some_o suspicion_n of_o fraudulent_a deal_n in_o the_o cytation_n of_o author_n which_o be_v indeed_o the_o proper_a talon_n of_o m._n barlow_n and_o m._n andrews_n as_o you_o have_v hitherto_o see_v sufficient_o prove_v in_o they_o both_o and_o shall_v see_v further_o exemplyfy_v hereafter_o in_o m._n andrews_n to_o his_o confusion_n 28._o the_o second_o point_n which_o i_o wish_v to_o be_v observe_v in_o his_o gloss_n upon_o s._n hieromes_n text_n retortedâ—_n be_v that_o he_o say_v the_o cardinal_n follow_v jovinian_a in_o affirm_v that_o the_o church_n be_v found_v upon_o s._n peter_n as_o if_o the_o cardinal_n do_v teach_v therein_o soâ—e_a heresy_n of_o jovinian_n and_o not_o s._n hieromes_n doctrine_n but_o this_o surpass_v all_o impudence_n for_o no_o doubt_n he_o speak_v against_o his_o own_o conscience_n and_o knowledge_n see_v he_o can_v be_v ignorant_a of_o the_o contrary_a if_o he_o have_v read_v and_o examine_v that_o very_a place_n in_o s._n hierome_n which_o he_o object_v where_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o the_o matter_n then_o in_o controversy_n betwixt_o s._n hierome_n and_o jovinian_a be_v about_o the_o merit_n of_o virginity_n jovinian_a because_o jovinian_a equal_v marâ—ryage_n with_o it_o which_o heresy_n s._n hierome_n in_o that_o place_n labour_v to_o confuteâ—_n and_o for_o as_o much_o as_o the_o heretyke_a have_v object_v the_o marriage_n of_o the_o apostle_n infer_v thereupon_o that_o if_o virginity_n be_v to_o be_v prefer_v before_o marriage_n christ_n will_v not_o have_v choose_v marry_v man_n but_o virgin_n to_o be_v his_o apostle_n and_o the_o prince_n and_o captain_n of_o christian_a discipline_n therefore_o s._n hierome_n answer_v that_o it_o appear_v not_o in_o the_o scripture_n that_o any_o of_o they_o have_v a_o wife_n except_o saint_n peter_n and_o that_o he_o be_v marry_v while_o he_o be_v under_o the_o law_n live_v continent_n from_o his_o wife_n after_o his_o vocation_n to_o the_o apostleship_n and_o that_o if_o any_o of_o the_o rest_n have_v wyve_n before_o their_o vocation_n they_o abstayn_v from_o they_o ever_o after_o and_o that_o s._n john_n evangelist_n be_v choose_v a_o virgin_n be_v singular_o belove_v and_o special_o favour_v of_o our_o saviour_n above_o the_o rest_n for_o his_o virginity_n 29._o and_o whereas_o jovinian_a also_o urge_v the_o supreme_a dignity_n of_o s._n peter_n as_o that_o the_o church_n be_v found_v upon_o he_o be_v a_o marry_a man_n and_o not_o upon_o s._n john_n who_o be_v a_o virgin_n wherein_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o jovinian_a seek_v to_o fortify_v his_o heresy_n by_o a_o argument_n draw_v from_o a_o point_n of_o know_a catholic_a doctrine_n s._n hierome_n be_v so_o far_o from_o deny_v the_o church_n to_o be_v found_v on_o peter_n that_o he_o notable_o confirm_v it_o declare_v that_o peter_n be_v make_v thereby_o head_n of_o the_o apostle_n for_o have_v teach_v that_o the_o church_n be_v also_o found_v equal_o upon_o all_o the_o apostle_n in_o the_o sense_n that_o i_o have_v declare_v he_o give_v a_o reason_n not_o only_o why_o s._n peter_n be_v make_v head_n of_o the_o rest_n to_o wit_n to_o take_v away_o the_o occasion_n of_o schism_n but_o also_o why_o he_o be_v a_o marry_a man_n be_v endow_v with_o that_o power_n and_o dignity_n rather_o than_o s._n john_n who_o be_v a_o virgin_n whereof_o he_o yield_v this_o probable_a reason_n that_o respect_n be_v have_v to_o the_o age_n of_o they_o both_o because_o peter_n be_v a_o man_n of_o year_n and_o john_n very_o young_a and_o therefore_o to_o avoid_v murmuration_n against_o john_n himself_o which_o will_v have_v happen_v in_o case_n he_o be_v the_o young_a of_o they_o all_o shall_v have_v be_v make_v their_o head_n peter_n be_v worthy_o prefer_v before_o he_o joâ—n_n this_o be_v brief_o the_o substance_n of_o s._n hieromes_n discourse_n in_o that_o place_n whereby_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o he_o notable_o confirm_v our_o catholic_a doctrine_n concern_v the_o supremacy_n of_o s._n peter_n acknowledge_v he_o to_o be_v make_v the_o head_n as_o well_o of_o s._n john_n as_o of_o all_o the_o rest_n 30._o and_o to_o the_o end_n that_o m._n andrews_n may_v evident_o see_v that_o s._n hierome_n do_v not_o impugn_v or_o disallow_v this_o proposition_n the_o church_n be_v found_v upon_o peter_n but_o reject_v only_o the_o false_a consequent_a that_o jovinian_a draw_v thereon_o against_o the_o merit_n of_o virginity_n i_o wish_v he_o to_o read_v s._n hieromes_n commentary_n upon_o the_o 16._o chapter_n of_o s._n matthew_n and_o particular_o upon_o these_o word_n of_o our_o saviour_n super_fw-la hanc_fw-la petrâ—m_fw-la aedifiâ—abo_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la meam_fw-la etc._n etc._n upon_o this_o rock_n will_v i_o buyld_v my_o church_n etc._n etc._n where_o he_o shall_v see_v that_o the_o proposition_n which_o jovinian_a object_v matth._n be_v also_o the_o clear_a and_o express_v doctrine_n of_o s._n hierome_n who_o say_v thus_o in_o the_o person_n of_o our_o saviour_n to_o s._n peter_n because_o thou_o simon_n have_v say_v to_o i_o thou_o be_v christ_n the_o son_n of_o god_n wordâ—_n i_o also_o say_v to_o thou_o not_o with_o a_o vain_a or_o idle_a speech_n that_o have_v no_o operation_n or_o effect_n sed_fw-la quia_fw-la meum_fw-la dixisse_fw-la fecisse_fw-la est_fw-la but_o because_o my_o say_n be_v a_o do_v or_o make_v therefore_o i_o say_v unto_o thou_o thou_o be_v peter_n or_o a_o rock_n and_o upon_o this_o rock_n i_o will_v buyld_v my_o church_n as_o christ_n be_v himself_o the_o light_n grant_v to_o his_o disciple_n that_o they_o shall_v be_v call_v the_o light_n of_o the_o world_n so_o to_o simon_n who_o believe_v in_o christ_n the_o rock_n he_o give_v the_o name_n of_o peter_n that_o be_v to_o say_v a_o rock_n and_o according_a to_o the_o metaphor_n of_o a_o rock_n it_o be_v true_o say_v to_o he_o i_o will_v buyld_v my_o church_n upon_o thou_o 31._o thus_o far_o saint_n hierome_n teach_v express_o that_o christ_n build_v his_o church_n upon_o peter_n 54._o which_o also_o he_o teach_v in_o diverse_a other_o place_n as_o in_o a_o epistle_n to_o marcelia_n where_o he_o
s._n peter_n and_o his_o successor_n for_o if_o s._n peter_n be_v make_v head_n of_o all_o the_o apostle_n to_o who_o christ_n leave_v the_o government_n of_o his_o church_n it_o can_v be_v deny_v but_o that_o he_o be_v make_v head_n of_o the_o church_n for_o who_o be_v head_n of_o any_o common_a wealth_n but_o he_o that_o be_v head_n of_o all_o those_o that_o have_v the_o administration_n charge_n and_o government_n of_o it_o and_o if_o the_o reason_n why_o he_o be_v ordain_v head_n of_o the_o apostle_n be_v to_o avoid_v and_o prevent_v the_o danger_n of_o schism_n it_o must_v needs_o be_v grant_v that_o so_o long_o as_o the_o same_o cause_n and_o reason_n i_o mean_v the_o danger_n of_o schism_n continue_v in_o the_o church_n grant_v so_o long_o also_o the_o remedy_n be_v to_o continue_v therein_o and_o that_o the_o great_a the_o danger_n be_v the_o more_o necessary_a also_o be_v the_o remedy_n whereupon_o it_o follow_v that_o see_v the_o danger_n of_o schism_n do_v and_o ever_o shall_v continue_v in_o the_o church_n the_o remedy_n also_o of_o one_o head_n be_v ever_o to_o continue_v and_o for_o as_o much_o as_o the_o danger_n of_o schism_n in_o the_o apostle_n time_n be_v not_o so_o great_a they_o be_v all_o of_o they_o most_o holy_a man_n why_o and_o particular_o guide_v by_o the_o holy_a ghost_n as_o it_o be_v andâ—_n always_o have_v be_v ever_o since_o therefore_o the_o remedy_n of_o one_o head_n which_o our_o saviour_n ordain_v for_o the_o same_o be_v more_o necessary_a now_o than_o it_o be_v in_o their_o day_n yea_o and_o be_v more_o special_o intend_v by_o his_o divyne_a providence_n for_o all_o ensue_a age_n after_o the_o apostle_n time_n then_o only_o during_o their_o liâ—es_n 61._o 38._o moreover_o it_o be_v evident_a in_o the_o holy_a scripture_n that_o our_o saviour_n plant_v his_o church_n to_o stand_v to_o the_o world_n end_n it_o be_v absurd_a to_o say_v that_o he_o ordain_v that_o form_n of_o government_n under_o one_o head_n to_o last_v only_o during_o the_o apostle_n time_n 4._o as_o though_o he_o have_v less_o care_n of_o the_o unity_n of_o his_o church_n in_o future_a age_n then_o in_o the_o beginning_n when_o as_o i_o have_v say_v the_o danger_n of_o schism_n shall_v be_v far_o less_o than_o it_o will_v be_v afterward_o therefore_o i_o conclude_v that_o see_a s._n peter_n be_v make_v head_n of_o the_o apostle_n fail_v and_o consequent_o of_o the_o whole_a church_n to_o avoid_v schism_n m._n andrews_n can_v not_o deny_v the_o same_o authority_n to_o s._n peter_n successor_n for_o the_o same_o reason_n especial_o see_v that_o our_o saviour_n providence_n therein_o be_v evident_a to_o the_o very_a eye_n of_o every_o man_n that_o list_v not_o to_o be_v wilful_o blind_a in_o that_o he_o have_v permit_v the_o succession_n of_o all_o the_o apostle_n to_o fail_v in_o all_o the_o church_n where_o they_o govern_v except_v only_o the_o succession_n of_o s._n peter_n in_o the_o roman_a church_n which_o he_o have_v miraculous_o conserve_v to_o make_v it_o manifest_a to_o the_o world_n that_o s._n peter_n and_o his_o chair_n as_o you_o have_v hear_v out_o of_o s._n cyprian_a and_o s._n hierome_n be_v the_o rock_n whereupon_o he_o promise_v to_o buyld_v his_o church_n donati_n and_o that_o as_o s._n augustine_n say_v ipsa_fw-la est_fw-la petra_n quam_fw-la non_fw-la vincunt_fw-la superbae_fw-la inferorum_fw-la porte_fw-fr that_o be_v the_o rock_n which_o the_o proud_a gate_n of_o hell_n do_v not_o overcome_v 39_o furthermore_o whereas_o m._n andrews_n grant_v also_o that_o a_o head_n appoint_v in_o the_o church_n for_o the_o remedy_n of_o schism_n be_v to_o have_v so_o much_o power_n as_o be_v necessary_a for_o that_o end_n he_o must_v needs_o consequent_o grant_v all_o that_o power_n which_o we_o require_v and_o acknowledge_v it_o in_o s._n peter_n and_o his_o successor_n to_o the_o same_o end_n schism_n i_o mean_v not_o only_o a_o power_n &_o authority_n to_o define_v &_o decide_v controversy_n without_o the_o which_o no_o schism_n or_o division_n concern_v matter_n of_o doctrine_n can_v be_v convenient_o compound_v but_o also_o power_n and_o jurisdiction_n to_o punish_v such_o as_o do_v obstinate_o infringe_v and_o violate_v the_o uniâ—ty_n and_o peace_n of_o the_o church_n for_o how_o can_v the_o head_n sufficient_o remedy_n schism_n if_o he_o can_v punish_v those_o which_o do_v cause_n and_o maintain_v it_o and_o if_o m._n andrews_n will_v say_v that_o christ_n have_v therefore_o leave_v authority_n to_o his_o church_n to_o punish_v only_o by_o excommunication_n and_o spiritual_a censure_n i_o must_v demand_v of_o he_o what_o remedy_n the_o head_n of_o the_o church_n can_v give_v thereby_o when_o his_o censure_n be_v contemn_v and_o special_o by_o a_o absolute_a prince_n shall_v he_o have_v then_o no_o further_o power_n to_o remedy_v the_o inconvenience_n how_o then_o be_v his_o power_n such_o as_o m._n andrews_n himself_o grant_v it_o to_o be_v to_o wit_n quanta_fw-la rei_fw-la satis_fw-la siâ—_n cui_fw-la constitutus_fw-la est_fw-la as_o much_o as_o may_v be_v sufficient_a for_o the_o thing_n for_o the_o which_o he_o be_v make_v head_n that_o be_v to_o say_v to_o remedy_n and_o take_v away_o schism_n 40._o arise_v and_o who_o see_v not_o that_o the_o great_a harm_n that_o grow_v to_o the_o church_n by_o schism_n common_o be_v when_o secular_a prince_n do_v either_o raise_v it_o themselves_o or_o maintain_v it_o in_o other_o shall_v not_o then_o the_o head_n of_o the_o church_n have_v sufficient_a power_n to_o remedy_v this_o great_a danger_n and_o mischief_n that_o can_v hap_v to_o the_o church_n or_o shall_v he_o not_o have_v mean_n as_o well_o to_o correct_v his_o great_a and_o most_o powerful_a subject_n 61.62_o as_o the_o least_o and_o mean_a then_o as_o i_o have_v say_v in_o my_o supplement_n the_o power_n of_o the_o church_n shall_v be_v no_o better_o than_o a_o cobweb_n that_o hold_v the_o little_a fly_n and_o let_v go_v the_o great_a one_o and_o consequent_o the_o providence_n of_o almighty_a god_n shall_v be_v very_o defective_a in_o ordain_v a_o head_n to_o conserve_v his_o church_n in_o unity_n and_o not_o give_v he_o sufficient_a power_n to_o perform_v it_o which_o no_o wise_n temporal_a prince_n will_v do_v if_o he_o shall_v make_v a_o lieutenant_n to_o govern_v in_o any_o part_n of_o his_o dominion_n whereto_o it_o may_v be_v add_v that_o the_o lawyer_n teach_v that_o he_o which_o grant_v jurisdiction_n be_v presume_v to_o grant_v all_o thing_n necessary_a for_o the_o execution_n of_o it_o which_o be_v also_o conform_v to_o the_o philosopher_n maxim_n to_o wit_n qui_fw-fr that_fw-mi esse_fw-la that_fw-mi consequentia_fw-la ad_fw-la esse_fw-la he_o which_o give_v a_o be_v give_v together_o with_o it_o all_o those_o thing_n which_o be_v consequent_n thereof_o or_o necessary_o require_v thereto_o as_o i_o have_v ample_o prove_v in_o my_o 67._o supplement_n where_o i_o have_v deduce_v the_o necessity_n of_o this_o 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themselves_o in_o their_o ecclesiastical_a discipline_n who_o in_o their_o spiritual_a tribunal_n and_o court_n do_v punish_v the_o disobedient_a as_o well_o by_o pecuniary_a penalty_n as_o by_o corporal_a imprisonement_n whereupon_o it_o follow_v that_o when_o prince_n who_o be_v member_n of_o the_o church_n do_v violate_v the_o union_n thereof_o and_o be_v incorrigible_a by_o excommunication_n they_o may_v be_v chastise_v by_o their_o supreme_a head_n or_o spiritual_a pastor_n even_o in_o their_o temporal_a state_n so_o far_o as_o shall_v be_v necessary_a for_o the_o good_a of_o their_o soul_n and_o the_o benefit_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n for_o otherwise_o the_o head_n of_o the_o church_n shall_v not_o have_v that_o sufficient_a power_n to_o remedy_n schism_n and_o other_o inconvenience_n which_o m._n andrews_n himself_o grant_v and_o it_o can_v indeed_o be_v deny_v 42._o this_o then_o be_v so_o
righteousness_n by_o the_o which_o the_o gate_n of_o heaven_n be_v open_v as_o it_o be_v with_o key_n &_o sic_fw-la say_v he_o in_o singulis_fw-la quibusque_fw-la virtutibus_fw-la and_o so_o also_o in_o all_o other_o virtue_n and_o to_o this_o purpose_n be_v origens_n discourse_n in_o that_o homily_n 5._o now_o than_o who_o see_v not_o here_o that_o he_o leave_v the_o literal_a sense_n altogether_o in_o this_o and_o like_o a_o preacher_n follow_v the_o allegorical_a and_o moral_a thereby_o to_o induce_v his_o audience_n to_o virtue_n and_o withdraw_v they_o from_o vice_n and_o sin_n and_o will_v m._n andrew_n say_v that_o therefore_o origens_n opinion_n be_v that_o peter_n have_v nothing_o promise_v peculiar_o to_o himself_o more_o then_o to_o every_o perfect_a christian_n peter_n so_o shall_v every_o just_a man_n and_o woman_n for_o origâ—n_n speak_v of_o all_o alike_o have_v as_o much_o ecclesiastical_a power_n and_o jurisdiction_n as_o peter_n have_v for_o i_o be_o sure_a m._n andrew_n will_n not_o deny_v but_o that_o when_o christ_n promise_v the_o key_n to_o peter_n he_o promise_v to_o give_v he_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n and_o power_n howsoever_o the_o same_o be_v to_o be_v understand_v i_o mean_v whether_o as_o promise_v to_o himself_o alone_o for_o the_o whole_a church_n as_o we_o understand_v it_o or_o as_o promise_v also_o to_o the_o apostle_n equal_o with_o he_o as_o m._n andrew_n and_o his_o fellow_n will_v have_v it_o and_o therefore_o i_o say_v that_o take_v this_o interpretation_n of_o origen_n for_o the_o literal_a sense_n every_o faithful_a man_n or_o woman_n that_o be_v of_o the_o elect_a have_v as_o much_o power_n to_o bind_v loose_a excommunicate_a and_o exercise_v any_o other_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n as_o peter_n and_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o apostle_n have_v yea_o to_o be_v not_o only_a pastor_n of_o christ_n flock_n but_o also_o chief_a pastor_n and_o to_o have_v summam_fw-la rerum_fw-la de_fw-la pascendis_fw-la ovibus_fw-la the_o chief_a charge_n of_o feed_v christ_n sheep_n 6._o for_o whereas_o origen_n say_v so_o of_o s._n peter_n in_o the_o place_n now_o in_o question_n m._n andrew_n will_v have_v the_o same_o to_o be_v understand_v also_o according_a to_o this_o interpretation_n of_o origen_n which_o as_o you_o have_v hear_v include_v not_o only_o all_o the_o apostle_n but_o also_o every_o other_o perfect_a christian_n if_o he_o be_v of_o the_o elect_a and_o exclude_v all_o those_o that_o be_v not_o such_o so_o as_o among_o other_o consequent_n that_o follow_v thereof_o one_o may_v beâ—_n that_o it_o be_v uncertain_a whether_o m._n andrew_n himself_o be_v a_o pastor_n aright_o or_o no_o for_o though_o he_o hold_v himself_o for_o a_o perfect_a christian_n which_o nevertheless_o i_o hold_v to_o be_v very_o doubtful_a or_o rather_o assure_v myself_o of_o the_o contrary_a yet_o it_o be_v very_o uncertain_a whether_o he_o be_v one_o of_o the_o elect_a and_o if_o he_o be_v not_o of_o that_o number_n then_o according_a to_o this_o interpretation_n if_o it_o be_v literal_a he_o have_v no_o pastoral_a commission_n beside_o it_o will_v follow_v that_o every_o priest_n shall_v have_v as_o much_o authority_n as_o his_o bishop_n &_o every_o bishop_n as_o much_o as_o his_o metropolitan_a yea_o and_o every_o predestinate_a man_n or_o woman_n that_o be_v a_o perfect_a christian_n shall_v have_v as_o much_o as_o any_o of_o they_o or_o as_o they_o all_o see_v that_o all_o they_o can_v have_v no_o more_o than_o summam_fw-la rerum_fw-la de_fw-la pascendis_fw-la ovibus_fw-la the_o chief_a charge_n and_o care_n of_o feed_v christ_n flockâ—_n which_o origen_n say_v be_v give_v to_o peter_n church_n loe_o than_o what_o good_a doctrine_n m._n andrews_n teach_v here_o by_o this_o interpretation_n of_o origen_n if_o he_o will_v have_v it_o to_o be_v literal_a overthrow_v thereby_o all_o subordination_n in_o the_o church_n and_o confound_v the_o ecclesiastical_a with_o the_o secular_a the_o laiety_n with_o the_o clergy_n &_o the_o head_n with_o the_o member_n i_o mean_v the_o spiritual_a pastor_n or_o sheaphearde_n of_o christ_n flock_n with_o their_o sheep_n or_o subject_n which_o true_o he_o will_v not_o do_v if_o he_o be_v not_o as_o silly_a and_o single_a witted_a as_o a_o sheep_n or_o at_o least_o if_o he_o be_v not_o more_o malicious_a than_o a_o sheep_n of_o christ_n flock_n ought_v to_o be_v 7._o therefore_o to_o conclude_v this_o point_n see_v that_o this_o interpretation_n of_o origen_n out_o of_o origen_n serve_v he_o to_o no_o better_a purpose_n than_o the_o other_o do_v before_o out_o of_o s._n augustine_n s._n ambrose_n and_o s._n cyril_n which_o only_o serve_v to_o bewray_v his_o malice_n and_o folly_n supra_fw-la as_o i_o have_v show_v ample_o in_o the_o first_o chapter_n it_o be_v clear_a that_o origens_n testimony_n allege_v by_o the_o cardinal_n concern_v the_o chief_a charge_n of_o feed_v christ_n sheep_n give_v to_o peter_n remain_v clear_a primacy_n and_o sound_v for_o the_o catholic_n to_o be_v take_v in_o the_o literal_a sense_n as_o the_o cardinal_n allege_v it_o especial_o see_v it_o be_v most_o conform_a to_o origens_n doctrine_n in_o other_o place_n as_o in_o his_o homily_n upon_o diverse_a evangelist_n 2._o where_o he_o call_v s._n peter_n summum_fw-la apostolorum_fw-la verticem_fw-la the_o chief_a or_o supreme_a head_n of_o the_o apostle_n and_o therefore_o discourse_v also_o afterward_o in_o the_o same_o place_n of_o the_o particular_a privilege_n of_o grace_n give_v by_o our_o saviour_n to_o s._n john_n the_o apostle_n he_o prefer_v nevertheless_o s._n peter_n before_o he_o in_o dignity_n say_v nemo_fw-la nos_fw-la existimet_fw-la petro_n joannem_fw-la prefer_v etc._n etc._n let_v no_o man_n think_v that_o i_o prefer_v john_n before_o peter_n who_o will_v so_o do_v for_o which_o of_o the_o apostle_n be_v hygh_a in_o dignity_n than_o he_o qui_fw-la est_fw-la &_o dicitur_fw-la vertex_fw-la eorum_fw-la who_o be_v call_v and_o be_v their_o head_n so_o he_o and_o i_o be_o sure_a m._n andrews_n can_v not_o imagine_v that_o origen_n deduce_v the_o supreme_a dignity_n of_o peter_n from_o any_o other_o ground_n or_o reason_n but_o because_o he_o have_v summam_fw-la rerum_fw-la de_fw-la pascendis_fw-la ovibus_fw-la the_o chief_a charge_n of_o feed_v christ_n sheep_n and_o be_v the_o foundation_n of_o the_o church_n as_o origen_n acknowledge_v in_o the_o place_n allege_v by_o the_o cardinal_n and_o diverse_a other_o and_o this_o shall_v suffice_v for_o he_o 8._o the_o second_o place_n which_o i_o be_o to_o debate_v with_o m._n andrew_n be_v take_v by_o the_o cardinal_n out_o of_o s._n hylary_n in_o these_o word_n matth._n o_o in_o nuncupatione_fw-la novi_fw-la nominis_fw-la felix_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la fundamentum_fw-la etc._n etc._n o_o happy_a foundation_n of_o the_o church_n in_o the_o nuncupation_n of_o a_o new_a name_n &_o a_o rock_n worthy_a of_o the_o build_n thereof_o defend_v that_o be_v to_o say_v of_o the_o church_n which_o rock_n shall_v dissolve_v or_o break_v the_o law_n of_o hell_n etc._n etc._n thus_o far_o the_o cardinal_n out_o of_o s._n hilary_n to_o prove_v that_o peter_n be_v the_o foundation_n and_o consequent_o the_o head_n of_o the_o church_n whereto_o m._n andrew_n answer_v thus_o exit_fw-la hylario_n felix_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la fundamentum_fw-la petrum_fw-la out_o of_o hilary_n the_o cardinal_n object_v that_o peter_n be_v the_o happy_a foundation_n of_o the_o church_n hylario_n sed_fw-la inter_fw-la alia_fw-la pariter_fw-la fundamenta_fw-la but_o among_o and_o together_o with_o other_o foundation_n so_o he_o mean_v that_o because_o all_o the_o apostle_n be_v call_v in_o the_o scripture_n foundation_n of_o the_o church_n therefore_o s._n peter_n be_v no_o otherwise_o the_o foundation_n thereof_o then_o they_o whereto_o i_o need_v not_o to_o say_v any_o thing_n here_o because_o i_o have_v large_o treat_v the_o same_o point_n in_o the_o three_o chapter_n show_v how_o the_o apostle_n be_v call_v foundation_n of_o the_o church_n 2d_o without_o derogation_n either_o to_o christ_n who_o be_v the_o first_o and_o chief_a foundation_n or_o to_o peter_n who_o be_v the_o second_o immediate_o ground_v upon_o christ_n and_o therefore_o i_o remit_v my_o reader_n thereto_o 9_o and_o now_o to_o go_v forward_o with_o m._n andrew_n his_o answer_n he_o add_v the_o rest_n of_o s._n hilary_n word_n thus_o dignam_fw-la aedificatione_n christi_fw-la petram_fw-la a_o rock_n worthy_a of_o the_o build_n of_o christ_n which_o word_n of_o hilary_n he_o gloss_v thus_o sed_fw-la fidei_fw-la ratione_fw-la etc._n etc._n but_o by_o reason_n or_o mean_n of_o faith_n say_v hilary_n himself_o and_o not_o of_o his_o person_n that_o peter_n may_v depend_v on_o the_o faith_n and_o not_o the_o faith_n upon_o peter_n gloss_n thus_o say_v m._n andrews_n seek_v by_o the_o help_n of_o a_o lie_a gloss_n of_o his_o own_o to_o make_v his_o reader_n believe_v that_o s._n hilary_n do_v so_o admit_v s._n peter_n
doctrine_n concern_v prayer_n to_o saint_n be_v for_o that_o we_o do_v invocate_v they_o because_o in_o his_o conceit_n invocation_n be_v so_o proper_a to_o god_n alone_o that_o none_o can_v be_v invocate_v but_o he_o and_o if_o he_o do_v not_o conceive_v so_o why_o do_v he_o insist_v so_o much_o upon_o the_o word_n invocate_v yea_o and_o seek_v to_o terrify_v we_o with_o his_o terret_fw-la none_o apostolus_fw-la charge_v we_o to_o make_v light_n of_o he_o because_o we_o invocate_v they_o in_o who_o we_o believe_v not_o that_o be_v to_o say_v those_o who_o we_o do_v not_o hold_v for_o god_n 3._o but_o a_o man_n may_v wonder_v how_o this_o great_a doctor_n can_v so_o gross_o err_v in_o a_o matter_n so_o evident_a as_o this_o see_v that_o the_o word_n of_o the_o apostle_n immediate_o go_v before_o do_v manifest_o show_v that_o he_o speak_v there_o of_o a_o invocation_n due_a to_o god_n alone_o as_o to_o our_o chief_a lord_n which_o kind_n of_o invocation_n be_v not_o communicable_a to_o creature_n and_o therefore_o the_o apostle_n have_v say_v that_o god_n be_v dominus_fw-la omnium_fw-la etc._n etc._n the_o lord_n of_o all_o and_o rich_a or_o bountiful_a 10._o towards_o all_o that_o invocate_v he_o he_o confirm_v it_o with_o the_o say_n of_o the_o prophet_n omnis_fw-la qui_fw-la invocaverit_fw-la nomen_fw-la domini_fw-la saluus_fw-la erit_fw-la 2._o every_o one_o that_o shall_v invocate_v the_o name_n of_o our_o lord_n shall_v be_v save_v and_o then_o he_o add_v believe_v quomodo_fw-la invocabunt_fw-la eum_fw-la in_o quem_fw-la non_fw-la crediderunt_fw-la how_o shall_v they_o invocate_v he_o in_o who_o they_o have_v not_o believe_v as_o who_o will_v say_v how_o can_v they_o invocate_v he_o of_o who_o the_o prophet_n speak_v he_o that_o be_v dominus_fw-la omnium_fw-la the_o lord_n of_o all_o except_o they_o believe_v in_o he_o that_o be_v to_o say_v except_o they_o believe_v he_o to_o be_v their_o lord_n and_o creator_n whereby_o he_o do_v not_o signify_v that_o none_o but_o god_n can_v be_v invocate_v in_o any_o sort_n but_o that_o we_o can_v invocate_v god_n as_o our_o lord_n and_o our_o god_n except_o we_o believe_v he_o so_o to_o be_v 4._o and_o this_o do_v not_o contradict_v the_o invocation_n of_o saint_n in_o another_o respect_n to_o wit_n not_o as_o god_n but_o as_o the_o servant_n of_o god_n who_o he_o glorify_v and_o honour_v and_o by_o who_o intercession_n and_o mediation_n he_o bestow_v grace_n and_o favour_n upon_o man_n in_o which_o sense_n it_o may_v also_o be_v true_o say_v that_o we_o can_v invocate_v they_o or_o crave_v the_o help_n of_o their_o prayer_n except_o we_o do_v in_o some_o sort_n believe_v in_o they_o i_o mean_v so_o far_o forth_o as_o we_o invocate_v they_o that_o be_v to_o say_v except_o we_o believe_v they_o to_o be_v god_n servant_n and_o that_o we_o also_o have_v confidence_n in_o they_o as_o in_o those_o who_o by_o god_n goodness_n may_v help_v us._n so_o as_o a_o faith_n and_o belief_n in_o saint_n be_v also_o 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nothing_o be_v to_o be_v believe_v or_o practise_v in_o the_o church_n whereof_o there_o be_v no_o commandment_n or_o example_n in_o scripture_n which_o you_o have_v hear_v seq_n already_o confute_v as_o well_o by_o the_o authority_n of_o scripture_n and_o father_n as_o also_o by_o our_o adversaries_n own_o seq_n doctrine_n approve_v the_o practice_n of_o thing_n not_o command_v any_o where_o in_o scripture_n as_o the_o baptism_n of_o infant_n the_o use_n of_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n &_o godfather_n and_o godmother_n in_o baptism_n whereto_o i_o may_v add_v the_o tradition_n of_o keep_v sunday_n holy_a day_n in_o it_o memory_n of_o the_o resurrection_n of_o our_o saviour_n with_o abstinence_n from_o servile_a work_n also_o the_o observation_n of_o easter_n pentecost_n and_o such_o feast_n and_o diverse_a other_o thing_n consist_v in_o matter_n of_o practice_n 56._o if_o then_o they_o approve_v and_o practise_v these_o thing_n although_o they_o be_v not_o command_v or_o ordain_v in_o scripture_n what_o reason_n have_v they_o to_o reject_v prayer_n to_o saint_n because_o there_o be_v no_o commandment_n or_o example_n of_o it_o in_o scripture_n when_o nevertheless_o it_o be_v most_o conform_a thereto_o and_o deduce_v from_o it_o as_o i_o have_v partly_o show_v 31._o already_o by_o a_o inafallible_a rule_n of_o s._n augustine_n see_v it_o be_v approve_v by_o that_o church_n which_o the_o scripture_n command_v we_o to_o 18._o hear_v believe_v and_o obey_v besides_o that_o it_o be_v evident_a in_o scripture_n that_o charity_n which_o move_v and_o oblige_v man_n to_o pray_v one_o for_o another_o in_o this_o life_n 1â—_n nunquam_fw-la excidit_fw-la as_o the_o apostle_n teach_v never_o decay_v but_o be_v more_o perfect_a in_o the_o next_o life_n it_o follow_v not_o only_o that_o the_o saint_n do_v pray_v for_o we_o which_o m._n andrews_n grant_v but_o also_o that_o we_o may_v crave_v their_o prayer_n saint_n for_o it_o be_v most_o absurd_a to_o think_v that_o we_o 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pray_v for_o we_o &_o if_o he_o shall_v deny_v it_o or_o that_o their_o prayer_n may_v avayle_v we_o as_o vigilantius_n &_o his_o follower_n do_v in_o time_n past_a sanctis_fw-la and_o zuinglius_fw-la with_o other_o sectary_n have_v do_v in_o these_o our_o day_n he_o may_v easy_o be_v convince_v by_o the_o holy_a scripture_n which_o witness_n that_o god_n grant_v the_o petition_n of_o his_o servant_n even_o when_o they_o be_v here_o subject_a to_o sin_n 22._o and_o misery_n and_o have_v mercy_n on_o sinner_n for_o the_o merit_n of_o the_o just_a as_o well_o dead_a as_o live_v and_o therefore_o the_o prophet_n pray_v ne_fw-la auferas_fw-la misericordiam_fw-la tuam_fw-la etc._n etc._n do_v not_o take_v away_o thy_o mercy_n from_o we_o o_o lord_n 3._o for_o thy_o belove_a abraham_n and_o thy_o servant_n isaac_n and_o thy_o holy_a israel_n and_o we_o read_v in_o the_o book_n of_o king_n that_o for_o david_n sake_n god_n do_v mitigate_v his_o wrath_n towards_o solomon_n 11._o and_o save_v also_o the_o kingdom_n of_o juda_n from_o destruction_n in_o the_o reign_n of_o joram_n 21._o and_o ezechias_n 19_o 58._o in_o like_o manner_n god_n pardon_v job_n friend_n for_o his_o sake_n 42._o and_o direct_v they_o unto_o he_o to_o crave_v his_o prayer_n for_o they_o also_o for_o the_o prayer_n of_o moses_n he_o have_v mercy_n on_o the_o people_n 32._o and_o the_o like_v we_o read_v in_o the_o new_a testament_n whereupon_o s._n hierome_n say_v to_o vigilantius_n thus_o vigilantium_fw-la si_fw-mi apostoli_fw-la &_o martyr_n etc._n etc._n if_o the_o apostle_n and_o martyr_n be_v here_o in_o body_n can_v pray_v for_o other_o while_o they_o ought_v to_o be_v careful_a for_o themselves_o how_o much_o more_o may_v they_o do_v it_o after_o their_o crown_n victory_n and_o triumph_n one_o moses_n obtain_v of_o god_n pardon_n for_o six_o hundred_o thousand_o arm_a man_n and_o steven_n the_o follower_n of_o his_o lord_n 32._o and_o first_o martyr_n in_o christ_n crave_v pardon_n for_o his_o persecutor_n and_o shall_v they_o now_o be_v able_a to_o do_v less_o when_o they_o be_v with_o christ_n 7._o paul_n the_o apostle_n say_v that_o 276._o man_n life_n be_v give_v he_o in_o the_o ship_n 27._o and_o therefore_o now_o when_o he_o be_v dissolve_v and_o with_o christ_n will_v he_o hold_v his_o peace_n and_o shall_v he_o not_o be_v able_a so_o much_o as_o to_o open_v his_o mouth_n for_o those_o which_o have_v believe_v by_o his_o preach_n throughout_o the_o world_n and_o shall_v vigilantius_n a_o live_a dog_n be_v better_a than_o a_o dead_a lion_n thus_o argue_v s._n hierome_n by_o a_o argument_n a_fw-fr fortiori_fw-la ground_v on_o the_o scripture_n to_o show_v the_o extreme_a absurdity_n of_o vigilantius_n the_o heretic_n who_o deny_v that_o the_o saint_n in_o heaven_n do_v pray_v for_o we_o and_o be_v able_a to_o help_v us._n 59_o and_o this_o ability_n of_o saint_n to_o help_v man_n be_v to_o be_v ascribe_v not_o only_o to_o the_o effect_n of_o their_o prayer_n but_o also_o to_o their_o power_n 1â—_n authority_n and_o dignity_n see_v that_o christ_n who_o be_v the_o king_n of_o king_n 28._o &_o lord_n of_o lord_n &_o have_v all_o power_n in_o heaven_n and_o earth_n give_v he_o by_o his_o father_n power_n do_v in_o the_o apocalips_n promise_n to_o his_o saint_n a_o communication_n and_o participation_n of_o his_o own_o kingdom_n dominion_n and_o power_n over_o man_n qui_fw-la vicerit_fw-la say_v he_o dabo_fw-la sedere_fw-la mecum_fw-la etc._n etc._n he_o that_o shall_v overcome_v i_o will_v give_v unto_o he_o to_o sit_v with_o i_o in_o my_o throne_n as_o i_o also_o have_v overcome_v and_o sit_v with_o my_o father_n in_o his_o throne_n dabo_fw-la ei_fw-la potestatem_fw-la super_fw-la gentes_fw-la etc._n etc._n 3_o i_o will_v give_v he_o power_n over_o nation_n 2._o and_o he_o shall_v rule_v they_o etc._n etc._n and_o according_a to_o this_o promise_n of_o our_o saviour_n the_o saint_n also_o say_v to_o he_o in_o the_o apocalips_n 5._o redimisti_fw-la nos_fw-la deo_fw-la in_o sanguine_fw-la tuo_fw-la etc._n etc._n thou_o have_v redeem_v we_o to_o god_n in_o thy_o blood_n and_o have_v make_v we_o to_o our_o god_n a_o kingdom_n and_o priest_n and_o we_o shall_v reign_v upon_o the_o earth_n and_o this_o may_v be_v confirm_v out_o of_o the_o book_n of_o wisdom_n 3â—_n which_o say_v that_o the_o just_a when_o they_o shall_v be_v glorify_v iudicabunt_fw-la nationes_fw-la &_o dominabuntur_fw-la populis_fw-la etc._n etc._n shall_v judge_v nation_n and_o shall_v have_v dominion_n over_o people_n and_o in_o like_a manner_n the_o psalmist_n say_v speak_v of_o the_o glory_n of_o god_n saint_n exultabunt_fw-la sancti_fw-la in_o gloria_fw-la etc._n etc._n the_o saint_n shall_v exult_v 14â—_n and_o rejoice_v in_o glory_n etc._n etc._n they_o shall_v have_v two_o edge_a sword_n in_o their_o hand_n to_o take_v revenge_n upon_o nation_n and_o to_o chastise_v people_n to_o tie_v their_o king_n in_o fetter_n and_o their_o noble_a man_n in_o iron_n manacle_n etc._n etc._n thus_o say_v the_o royal_a prophet_n 60._o and_o albeit_o this_o shall_v be_v special_o 19_o and_o most_o manifest_o fulfil_v at_o the_o day_n of_o judgement_n â—2_n when_o the_o saint_n of_o god_n shall_v assist_v our_o saviour_n in_o the_o judgement_n country_n and_o condemnation_n of_o the_o wicked_a yet_o it_o can_v be_v deny_v but_o that_o also_o in_o the_o mean_a time_n it_o be_v verify_v in_o the_o power_n and_o dominion_n that_o god_n impart_v to_o his_o saint_n give_v they_o the_o protection_n of_o city_n country_n and_o man_n as_o it_o appear_v evident_o by_o innumerable_a example_n which_o may_v be_v allege_v of_o kingdom_n and_o city_n defend_v god_n servant_n relieve_v and_o his_o enemy_n destroy_v by_o they_o 19_o for_o which_o cause_n the_o ancient_a father_n do_v worthy_o call_v they_o the_o keeper_n of_o human_a kind_n governor_n of_o
submit_v themselves_o to_o the_o church_n &_o throw_v down_o their_o crown_n before_o the_o church_n that_o 185._o magistrate_n as_o well_o as_o other_o man_n must_v submit_v themselves_o and_o be_v obedient_a to_o the_o just_a &_o lawful_a authority_n of_o the_o church_n that_o be_v of_o 89._o the_o presbytery_n quis_fw-la tandem_fw-la reges_fw-la &_o principes_fw-la who_o can_v exempt_v even_o king_n and_o prince_n from_o this_o non_fw-la humana_fw-la sed_fw-la divina_fw-la dominatione_fw-la not_o humane_a but_o divine_a domination_n mean_v the_o presbytery_n say_v 124._o beza_n which_o 84._o presbytery_n they_o will_v have_v to_o be_v in_o every_o parish_n quotquot_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la christi_fw-la as_o many_o as_o be_v member_n of_o christ_n and_o of_o the_o church_n they_o must_v subject_v themselves_o to_o the_o consistorian_n discipline_n non_fw-la hic_fw-la excipitur_fw-la episcopus_fw-la aut_fw-la imperator_fw-la neither_o bishop_n or_o emperor_n be_v except_v here_o thus_o 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say_v once_o of_o the_o cardinal_n 82._o to_o these_o example_n of_o his_o egregious_a impudence_n in_o this_o kind_n i_o may_v well_o add_v one_o or_o two_o other_o example_n of_o his_o impudent_a assertion_n of_o notable_a lie_n without_o allegation_n of_o author_n or_o witness_v as_o when_o he_o charge_v certain_a jesuit_n to_o have_v affirm_v or_o as_o it_o seem_v to_o have_v write_v that_o they_o commit_v no_o sin_n abannis_fw-la jesuit_n say_v he_o nescio_fw-la quot_fw-la i_o know_v not_o for_o how_o many_o year_n together_o which_o i_o dare_v bold_o affirm_v to_o be_v a_o monstrous_a lie_n i_o mean_v that_o any_o jesuit_n have_v so_o write_v or_o say_v either_o of_o himself_o or_o any_o other_o man_n for_o although_o i_o make_v no_o doubt_n but_o that_o many_o jesuit_n and_o other_o good_a man_n both_o religious_a and_o secular_a by_o the_o help_n of_o god_n grace_n do_v live_v free_a from_o all_o mortal_a sin_n that_o be_v to_o say_v such_o sin_n as_o do_v utter_o deprive_v 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the_o same_o be_v to_o be_v extend_v to_o the_o new_a law_n as_o well_o may_v he_o say_v that_o we_o be_v bind_v to_o observe_v the_o whole_a law_n and_o so_o prove_v himself_o a_o jew_n &_o evacuate_v the_o law_n of_o christ_n as_o saint_n paul_n argue_v against_o 5._o those_o that_o maintain_v the_o use_n of_o circumcision_n together_o with_o the_o faith_n of_o christ._n 27._o nevertheless_o i_o say_v not_o this_o to_o exclude_v all_o manner_n of_o argument_n moses_n or_o inference_n draw_v from_o the_o old_a law_n to_o the_o new_a that_o the_o same_o remain_n within_o the_o limit_n of_o probability_n as_o from_o the_o figure_n to_o the_o verity_n which_o admit_v many_o limitation_n and_o exception_n but_o to_o exclude_v the_o obligation_n of_o all_o precept_n either_o ceremonial_a 16._o or_o judicial_a which_o do_v not_o in_o any_o sort_n bind_v we_o now_o as_o i_o have_v show_v in_o the_o first_o chapter_n of_o this_o adjoinder_n and_o therefore_o whereas_o m._n andrews_n say_v here_o cum_fw-la praeceptum_fw-la acceperimus_fw-la in_o lege_fw-la disertis_fw-la verbis_fw-la etc._n etc._n see_v we_o have_v receive_v a_o precept_n in_o the_o law_n in_o express_a word_n etc._n etc._n jew._n i_o say_v to_o he_o that_o see_v this_o precept_n do_v undouted_o belong_v to_o the_o ceremonial_a law_n and_o concern_v only_o the_o manner_n of_o worship_n to_o be_v do_v to_o god_n by_o sacrifice_n he_o show_v himself_o a_o flat_a jew_n in_o say_v that_o we_o christian_n have_v receive_v this_o precept_n in_o the_o law_n 28._o furthermore_o he_o be_v to_o understand_v that_o albeit_o we_o shall_v grant_v that_o nothing_o can_v be_v practise_v or_o teach_v in_o the_o new_a law_n without_o some_o precept_n or_o doctrine_n thereof_o deliver_v by_o our_o saviour_n christ_n unto_o his_o church_n yet_o he_o can_v gain_v nothing_o thereby_o except_o he_o can_v also_o prove_v that_o all_o our_o saviour_n precept_n and_o doctrine_n be_v express_o set_v down_o in_o scripture_n which_o 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