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A79520	An answer to a book which Samuel Eaton put up to the Parliament: which he saith he is a teacher of the Church of Christ, heretofore meeting at Ducken-field, now at Stockport in Cheshire; and he cals the title of his book Quakers confuted. Moses who was a judg quaked and trembled, David a king in Israel quaked and trembled, and Solomon who was a king trembled, and Daniel a servant of the most high God trembled, ... And these heard the voice of God, and thou that writest, thou mayest say thou hast confuted all them; for he that is against them, is against us, and he that is against us, is against them, for the same power is witnessed; but thou Eaton, who saith thou art a teacher of the church at Duckenfield, who saith thou hast heard the voice of the living God, and that such a voice as this, as comes immediately from God, you have not heard, ... And Isaiah saith, hear the word of the Lord all ye that tremble at his word; and this is the man that I do regard, saith the Lord, that is of a contrite heart, and trembleth at my word; but such Eaton and his church doth not regard, but custs out friends of the Lord from them, whom the world calls Quakers.	Camm, John, 1604?-1656.	1654 (1654)	Wing C389; Thomason E735_9; ESTC R206969	38,921	53

answer is Davids Conditions and Experien●e● are many times your own Reply And before thou denyes as hearing Gods voyce and how ca●st thou know Davids conditions who heard the voyce of God in the holy Temple and thou denyes hearing of Gods voyce but abundance of words thou hast heaped up together and wouldest make the Saints singing like thine who sung with the spirit and with understanding Obj. And again thou sayest God would have you in your meetings to rejoyce Reply Thou lyar How knowest thou the mind of God and never heardst his voyce who hist openly shewed thy self to be a Heathen who knows not God who knows nothing of the rejoycing and singing in spirit and what hast thou to do to talk of the Church of God which is the pillar and ground of truth who denyes the voyce of God and immediate inspiration which is both in the Church of God Obj. And as concerning putting on hats when you read and putting them off when you sing Then sayest you shall not much contest Reply Then you must confess it to be a tradition and that you worship the works of your own hands and yet thou goest about to justifie it who art mudled in thy confused generation who would have the hat put off when thou prayest with a part of the scripture and when thou readest part of the scripture to put thy hat on See if this be not thy own tradition Obj. And as for singing Davids Psalms in meeter thou sayest the Hebrews had their Poetry and it is sutable for every Nation to have their own Poet and particular Poetry to themselves to praise God and Meeter is congruous as thou sayest to our English Poetry Reply And this is all thy conjured stuff and likenesses who give● every Nation liberty who art in the Nations and stands up for thy own who hast cleared thy self from the spirit which the Saints sung withall in understanding who comes to be redeemed from Nations which yet thou art in and languages in the customes of the Nations which who sing prayses to God are redeemed from and so thou maintains thy own customs and traditions but the Church of God slander not for they deny your Customs and your Ordinances which God never commanded and there is no difference between your postures and the worlds nor your singing and the worlds but there is a difference between your singing and the Saints which knew God and heard his voyce and sung with the spirit but thou hast denyed the immediate inspiration of the spirit and so thou caust not sing with that spirit the Saints sung withall Quer. 13. Whether you do know the voyce of Christ from the voyce of a stranger My sheep know my voyce saith Christ seeing you are so forward to judge and sit as Judges of the Saints conditions Ans And thy answer is That which Christ preached and the Prophets and Apostles which is left upon record which you have in the Scriptures that is that voyce of Christ and with it you are able to distinguish from the voyce of a stranger Reply Here you shew your selves that you have the form but not the power for many come to speak the Prophets words and use their tongues and say he saith when saith the Lord I never spoke to them and this is your condition who hath the letter as the Jews had which knew not the voyce of Christ nor with the letter can you know his voyce and there you are Obj. And thou sayest this immediate voyce you have not heard neither do you know it within your selves experimentally neither do you wait for it for you know it is not the voyce of Christ Reply Here you have cleared your selves from the voyce of Christ and to be strangers which never heard the voyce of Christ which is immediate for you deny hearing this immediate voyce within and so denyes Christ to be within and shew your selves to be reprobates And you shew your selves to be in the state of the Jews which knew not the voyce of Christ which was immediate but judged it to be of the Devil as you do Obj. And this immediate voyce you bless your selves from and say It is the voyce of the Devil and say you have never heard the Devils voyce nor seen his shape and yet you plead for sin as long as you are here Reply And is not sin the shape of the Devil and you that plead for sin that is the voyce of the Devil in you and not the voyce of Christ for the voyce of Christ testifies against all sin and here you shew that you never heard the voyce of Christ which is immediate but only hath the letter as the devil hath to bring and the form and calls that the Voice of Christ and here you shew your selves to be natural men not knowing any thing of the immediate Voice of Christ but judgeth it of the devil Query 14. Whether that within you which judgeth be eternal and infallible yea or no Ans And thy answer is That that Spirit which we profess to be the Spirit of Christ is that Spirit of delusion which doth all things in us Rep. O thou deceiver who knows not the letter doth not the Scriptures say they were led by the Spirit and the fruits of the Spirit and the Comforter which was to come should lead them into all truth and they denied themselves with the Spirit for doing any thing and here thou hast cleared thy self from the Spirit of Christ and art in thy own Spirit of Errour Object Thou sayest though the Spirit of Christ which i● eternal and infallible dwell in the Saints yet it must not judg of persons and things after an infallible manner that they should neither say nor do nor judg any thing by any understanding of their own but this Spirit this we do deny for the Apostle speaks of himself When he would do good evil is present Rep. Here I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be pleading for the Devil and self and denies the Spirit of Christ and shews thy self to be in the state of the Wolves which Christ speaks of which should come in sheeps cloathing who hath shewed forth thy fruit to be of the corrupt tree who hath cleared thy self from the spiritual man which judgeth all things Object And thou speakest of Antichrists denying the Father and the Son and false Teachers bringing in damnable heresies denying the Lord that bought them Rep. These words shall stand for thy self which thou accusest others withal for thou hast denied as hearing any immediate Voice from God from heaven or any immediate inspiration of the Spirit and here thou hast denied both the Father and the Son for his voice is immediate and he that hath the Son hath the Father also and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life He that hath an ear to hear let him hear and in thy answer to this Query thou shewest thy self to be

believe that there is any essential or personal unity between this eternal Spirit and the Saints believers for such unity would either make the Spirit and Believers some third things Rep. Silence Flesh who art in confusion for thou hast nothing to do to talk of Unity nor this eternal Spirit which thou sayest is God and yet there is no eternal Unity with the eternal Spirit Query 2. Whether the Apostles did give a right meaning to the Scriptures when they gave them forth or left them to you to give the meaning of them yea or no Ans And thy answer is That in all the Scriptures they gave forth had a meaning with those Scriptures which they gave forth yet not alwayes so plainly that the meaning thereof might be rightly taken up by those that read them unless compared with some other Scriptures which they also have given out which have plainer sense in them and are helpful to expound them Rep. And hear thou leaves Spirit and thy confused stuff is issued out of thy Bottle who would make the Apostle a lyar who used plainness of speech and so the Scriptures were of no private interpretation nor came not by the will of man which thou in thy will art giving senses unto who sayest it is left to you to find out the sense and meaning who saith the letter contains contradictions thou lyar there is no contradictions in it but the contradictions is in thy self for where the same Spirit is made manifest as was in them that gave forth the Scriptures it owne it without any of thy senses and meanings who art in the number of the Beast here is wisdome let him that hath understanding count the number Obj. And whereas thou sayest Christ commands to search the Scriptures because the meaning lyeth deep in many places yet by searching what Scriptures lay together speak the sense may be gotten out Rep. Here thou art a lyar Did Christ bid them search the Scriptures to find out the sense of the Scriptures Here thou add'st to make people believe that there was life in the Scriptures when Christ saith not so but saith Ye will not come unto me that ye might have life And though they had the letter of the Scripture yet they knew not Christ therefore they were to come to him that they might have life which opens the Scriptures without thy sences or meanings for they had thought to have found life in the Scriptures as thou dost Object Another Scripture thou brings of Christ destroying this Temple and in three daies raise it up again Rep. And thou lyar thou sayest there is a sense in these words did he not speak plainly Here thou shewest thy self to be among them that gave a sence upon his words and could not understand his speech and as they did so dost thou who canst not understand plainness and hast cleared thy self from that Spirit that spoke forth these words and if you had that Spirit that gave forth the Scriptures you need not bring Scripture to interpret Scripture for the same Spirit that gave them forth will open all again but from this Spirit thou hast cleared thy self and thou art unlearned without the life in thy own sense and points Object And again thou sayest they are not left to put your own sense upon them Reply What is it but thy own sence when thou sayest God doth not intend to teach immediate or if it be not immediate it is carnal and natural And the carnal man knows not the things that are of God who lives in thy own sence Quer. 3. Whether plagues be not added to them who adde to the Prophesies written in this Book or whether his name be not to be diminished out of the Book of life who diminisheth or whether you can witness this Name yea or no Ans And thy answer is nothing to purpose or the Book of life or the new name thou shews thy self ignorant of therefore thou art unlearned and must be silent as thou art to it and let the Prophets Christ and the Apostles alone for they all spake by one spirit according to their growth and the fulfilling of the Scriptures Object But thou speaks of an Interpretation that agrees to the spirit of the Scriptures Reply That Interpretation we deny for you would have another Interpretator besides the Spirit and here thou shews thy self to be in thy fancy adding to whom the plagues of God are due who adds another interpretation besides the Spirit and thou art in the nature of all them who thou reckons up which art out of the truth Object Thou accusest the quakers for grand Impostures which they beguile people they bring the letter which serves for their purpose Reply This shall stand for thy own condition for thy impostures we abhor and here thou art a lyar I charge thee in the presence of the Lord as to say we bring the letter which serves for our purpose to deceive the people for every tittle of the Scripture is ours and we own them and do not deceive the people from the truth but such as you call Ministers which make a trade upon the Scriptures and lead people into darkness with your sences upon the Scriptures we deny And so here thou a t found the adder giving sences and meanings according to the Spirit as thou sayest and here thou makest it manifest that it is thy self that interprets and not the Spirit that gave forth the Scriptures which Spirit opens them again Object And thou sayest the sufficiency of the Scriptures do build men up to salvation Rep. Here thou set'st the Scripture before God and Christ who is the Saviour and perverts it had'st thou said they were able to make one wise to salvation through Faith in Christ Jesus but there thou art diminishing as to say the Scripture is sufficient to build men up to salvation Que. 4. Whether you have an infallible judgment to judg of things eternal yea or no Ans Thou sayest every man is darkness Rep. And there thou art in thy first estate who hath uttered forth many words to this Query out of thy confused mind Obj. Thou sayest them that the Apostles said knew all things which was but an hyperbolical expression and did import only much knowledg to be in them Rep. Here I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be a perverter of the Apostles words and one that addeth John speaks no such word as hyperbolical therefore let thou John's words alone Here all may see whether thou speakest by the spirit or no. Object And thou sayest they that had received the Vnction had not an infallible judgment Rep. And here let all people take notice what thou speak'st from and yet thou sayest though they had the Spirit which if they have the Spirit to judg withal the judgment is infallible and thou belyes them and wrongs them for they knew the truth and that there was no lye of it and then they had an

infallible judgment and the Apostles said they knew all things Obj. And thou sayest it did but import much knowledg Rep. And here thou would'st make the Apostle a lyar and the Scripture false Obj. And thou sayest neither you nor any other hath an infallible judgment in all things Rep. Here thou hast cleared thy self from the spiritual man who judgeth all things and hath an infallible judgment Obj. And again Thou sayest in all things and at all times but you are subject to errour in many things you do not apprehend to speak right of God of Christ of the Spirit of the Saints and of your selves and of the Mystery of the Gospel Rep. And here again thou hast cleared thy self who doth not apprehend and speak aright of God Christ the Spirit Saints your selves and of the mystery of the Gospel Let all people take notice whether thou hast not cleared thy self from God Christ the Spirit the Saints and the Mystery of the Gospel Obj. And thou sayest you do not apprehend your selves Rep. Let all people take notice and see if you be a fit man to preach who cannot apprehend to speak right of God of Christ of the Spirit of the Saints and of the mystery of the Gospel and thou hast confessed it and openly shewed thy self to be a natural man that knows not the things of God who cannot speak aright of God as thou sayest and that which is not right is wrong and the Spirit of Errour which thou sayest ye are subject to Obj. Thou sayest there may be an infallible judgment which may be made from the Scripture without the Spirit Rep. This is thy judgment like unto the Jews who had the Letter but not the spirit who judged Christ to be a devil and so here are the fruits of thy manners and Doctrine as thou call'st them and thy pretending truth much confused stuff here is in this answer as thou call'st it and yet thou confessest an infallible judgment which cannot be made without the Spitit but that Spirit is without them Obj. And in some things thou sayest you have an infallibility but this is the confusion that the Scripture is the foundation of an infallible judgment concerning things contained in them and not the Spirit Rep. Here thou would'st make people believe that the Scripture was before the Spirit and so shews thy self to be natural and carnal and shews thy self ignorant of that Spirit that gave forth the Scriptures which is the Judg of all Errour and such as shews forth the Spirit of Errour Que. 5. Whether you be above the Apostle and able to judg his condition because you say he was not perfect who said he spoke wisdome among them that were perfect Ans And in thy answer thou sayest Paul denied perfection and thou deniest perfection Rep. Thou lyar where did Paul ever deny perfection and here you sit as Judges and when Paul spoke Let us as many as are perfect be true minded he did not speak only of himself neither did he speak of comparative perfection which thou sayest some attained unto And here I charge thee again to add to the Scriptures and perverts the Apostles words for he spoke plainly Stand perfect and compleat in all the will of God and be perfect but he doth not speak of a comparative perfection Obj. And thou brings the words of the Apostle James who saith He that can bridle his tongue is a perfect man Rep. He saith so but thou saith not absolutely perfect Here again thou perverts the Apostles words and would make him a lyar and that Scripture false but thou art the lyar and art for the Lake that burneth with fire and brimstone Obj. And thou sayest The heart may be unruly though the tongue be restrained and such thou sayest are comparatively perfect Rep. Where there is no such thing mentioned in the Scripture as comparative perfection but it is thy coyned words added to the Scriptures and the plagues will be added to thee Obj. And thou sayest among such perfect ones Paul speaks wisdom but not amongst absolute perfectists Rep. Paul saith he spoke wisdom among them that were perfect and thou sayest not amongst absolute perfectists Here I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be the lyar but thou would'st make the Apostle a lyar Obj. And thou sayest it is a senseless foolish question because we ask you whether you be above the Apostles condition Rep. Seeing you sit as Judges of his condition as you have made it appear perverting his words and would make him a lyar Que. 6. Whether you have the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the world was which the Apostles speak of yea or no Some things in reply to thy answer of this Query Now thou sayest if Christ be this hidden wisdome the question runs of Christ whether you be or no our answer runs to this Ans And here you have shewed forth your self and cannot confess the hidden wisdom as the Apostles did with that they had and so have given no answer to the Query but hast given forth many words and saith we do imagine many things of Christ and of God and his flesh Rep. But that is thy own condition who art in thy imaginations for we deny thee and them both who hath put these lyes upon us for neither Christ nor God nor Scriptures are known by imaginations Object And thou speak'st of Christ within them teaching them Rep. That is witnessed and where he is grace is and strength and holiness and the spiritual man need not any external thing to lead the spirit and so all thy external Ordinances and external Teachings we utterly deny but the Scriptures we own and the Ordinances of Christ in their place and here thou hast shewed forth thy venom Object And thou sayest Christ within them is sufficient for all things and to have no teachers but Christ this we assume not nor dare and we declare against it as a satanica delusion that these poor creatures are in which confess Christ is sufficient for all things Rep. All who are in light may see what utter darkness thou lives in who would have Christ sufficient for all things and all purposes and the Scripture saith he is all in all and thou art in the estate of thy first parents as thou calls it and a servant to thy Master Que. 7. Whether you have heard the voice of the living Lord God of heaven and earth or whether you do not take the Prophets words Christs words and the Apostles words and say it when saith the Lord I never spoke to you Ans Our answer is this That such a Voice as this as comes immediately from God we have not heard and such an inspiration as this we have not received nor do we wait for it Rep. Here thou shewest thy self one that runs before thou art sent and one that useth thy tongue and no Minister of God and thy self to be a Heathen not hearing his voice who

Object And whereas thou sayest we are against that which the Saints used Rep. Here I charge thee to be a lyar for the Saints practises we own but thy performances we deny Object And thou sayest we might be convinced that you are not in the condition of the Jews hours and prayers Rep. We find you in the same nature though under another colour and enemies to Christ Object And thou brings Acts 3. Rep. That will fit and maintain thee in the Jews estate all people take notice the Apostles did not go up to uphold the Jews hours and prayers but to bring them off those things and here thou hast uttered forth thy folly Object And thou sayest They strike at godliness Rep. Here I charge thee in the presence of God to be a lyar Object And whereas thou sayest If they can but destroy all forms the power will fall with it Rep. And here thou hast uttered forth thy folly indeed and blasphemy as though the form was before the power and here thou hast shewed thou hast no power but the form as the Apostles speaks of so thou plead'st for daies and hours and moneths which the Apostles speaks against And here thou hast cleared thy self from the Doctrine of the Apostles and the Lords day we own f●r all is the Lords and the Saints meeting we own but thine we do deny who denies immediate inspiration And what hast thou to do to talk of the Apostles meeting the first day of the week and worship of God who denies immediate inspiration and hearing Gods voice and denies immediate teaching for God is a Spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and truth and that thou canst not who denies immediate teaching thou hast got a likeness of a Church and so imitates the Apostles meetings the first day of the week and so hast got the form and not the power and because the Saints meet on the first day from their words thou gathers likeness which is forbidden and what Scriptures hast thou that it is named the Lords day when the Supper is nominated the Supper of the Lord we own and the day of the Lord but thou knowest nothing of the Supper of the Lord nor the day Obj. And in thy answer thou would'st make people believe we deny prayer Rep. And in that thou art a lyar and what hast thou to do to talk of Abraham and holy men of God who denies hearing the Voice of God and denies immediate Inspiration which the holy men of God witnessed Object And thou talk'st of Jacob purging away the Idols and reforming his family Rep. O man look at home and pu●ge away the Idols from thy self for David and Jacob we own and do witness and the Saints will not deny prayers but such as thine who prayest and never heard the Voice of God nor immediate inspiration as thou hast confest it and dost not look for it and what good will all thy prayers do thee evening and morning we witness the Apostles words pray alwayes and praise with the spirit and understanding Here thou hast shewed thy self as the Priests of Baal who cut themselves who fasts and yet thou sayest let us seek Gods face in prayer and denies hearing Gods Voice Query 17. Whether do you not seduce the people to draw them from the anoynting within them when John saith They need no man to teach them but as the anoynting and the promise was eternal life to him that did abide in the anoynting Ans In thy answer to this Query thou sayest the word that Christ preached was outward Rep. And here I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be a lyar for he said the word which he spoke was spirit and life and here thou draws people from the anointing to the Satanical delusion as thou calls it and publishes lies Obj. And thou sayest John's Ministry was outward and yet he came in the spirit and power Reply What confused stuff is this Here I charge thee again to be a lyar John's teaching we witness and Christs teaching we witness and deny thine which is outward and thou must needs be there for thou denyes immediate inspiration who draws people from the inward to the outward Here thou shews what thou art if there had been no reply and who puts no difference betwixt ears for there are ears and hears not and there are ears which hear and here thou shews thy self to be a false prophet who saith they are seduced which are drawn from the external means which is earthly let all people see if you be not that wi●ch that the Scripture speaks of that bewithed the Galatians in drawing them from the spirit within to observe circumcision without them who draws to the external who saith to wait for the receiving of the Spirit without any word is delusion Here thou goes about to make the Word and the Spirit two Obj. And thou sayest One was newly redeemed out of the hellish captivity Reply He is fit to be Ambassador of thy Church a drunkard one of thy redeemed ones There was a Warrant granted out against him for drunkenness fence he was redeemed as thou calls it Obj. And thou pleads much for mans teaching Reply Here thou shews plainly that thou art a Minister made by the will of man when Paul declares that he was not made a Minister by the will of man but by the will of God and here thou hast cleared thy self plainly from being a Minister made by the Will of God or taught of him Obj. And thirdly thou sayest The words You need not any man teach you but as the anointing teacheth you is an byperbolycal expression Reply Here I charge thee again to pervert the Apostles words Obj. And thou sayest the Apostle tells them they knew all things and thou sayest is is an excessive speech Reply And so thou goes about to make the Apostle a lyar and are giving a meaning to his words and wouldest give a comparative senc● as thou callest it to it and here thou shewest openly that thou dost both add wrest and pervert the Apostles words who shews thy self openly to be deceived who art giving private interpretations to the Scripture when the Scripture saith there is none and thou art perverting the Lords words who saith they shall all know him from the greatest to the least they shall not need to teach every man his neighbour and every man his brother for they shall all know me from the greatest to the least of them saith the Lord. Obj. And thou sayest there is no such measure of the spirit that can thrust out outward teaching while we are here Reply Here thou high blasphemer hast denyed the everlasting Covenant of God and while thou art there thou shalt never know it Obj. And thou sayest there is no such Scripture as to abide in the anointing that the Promise was Eternal life to him that did Reply And here thou dost neither understand the anointing nor the

speaks from heaven whose voice shakes the earth so thou knows nothing of salvation but by heresay and here thou shewest thy self to be a false Prophet that takes the Saints words and say he saith when saith the Lord I never spoke to them and doth confess that the Jews said Moses heard his voice and among the Jews thou art who persecutes the truth Object And thou sayest Such an inspiration which is immediately received from God we have not received neither do we wait for it Rep. Here thou hast cleared thy self that thou hast not received the Spirit of God but art in the spirit of errour for the Scripture was given us by inspiration and by immediate inspiration of the same Spirit are understood again and from this thou hast cleared thy self and from the life of all the holy men of God and sayest thou dost neither look nor wait to receive such an immediate voice nor such an insp●ration and here thou shewest thy self to be a natural man and one of the dumb Prophets that hath not a word from the Lord but an imposture thou accusest them thou call Quakers withal and art a deceiver but those words they deny and Wonders and Miracles and Signs are amongst them but your adulteress generation could never believe Object And thou sayest the Querie strikes at all preachings but what immediately proceeds from the suggestion of the Spirit and this thou sayest is the ven●m and poyson of the Query Rep. And here again thou clearest thy self to be no Minister of the Spirit but art in the suggestions of Satan and counts that venom and poyson the immediate preaching of the Spirit to thee it is poyson but it must dash thee to pieces and thou through many words would blind the people who utters them forth without knowledg and so a fool is known Object And thou sayest the word of old which was spoken by the Prophets and this is a more sure word then any immediate word Rep. There thou hast cleared thy self from the immediate Word who art built upon a rotten foundation which is not immediate and would clear the Prophets from this immediate word to make them like thy self who sayes and calls this a more sure word of Prophecy then any immediate word Here thou goest about to make the word and Prophecy not an immediate word and shews thy self to be a dreamer Object And thou sayest consequently God did not intend immediate teaching not to give out an immediate voice in after ages which should airect and guide men in the wayes of salvation Rep. And here again I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be a lyar and a blasphemer who would limit God and would be his Counsellour and yet sayes thou never waits to hear his voice and not come so far● as to be a Minister of the letter who would have it kept in store and saith it is a precious treasure God saith he will power out his Spirit upon al fl●sh in the latter dayes his sons and his daughters shall prophecy and thou deniest immediate teaching and so denies the spirit of the Lord which guides in the way of salvation which thou denies and thou hast denied that thou last heard any Voice from God neither dost thou wait for it And here thou denies thy self to be taught of God for all the children of the Lord are taught of the Lord and they that are taught of him hears his voice which thou denies and shews thy self to be a stranger from God and Christ Object And thou sayest there must not be a waiting for a new immediate word Rep. Here thou shewest thy self that thou knowest not the immediate word and this immediate word thou hast cleared thy self from which gave forth the letter and would keep others from waiting for the receiving of it and speak of a word spoken to you though not immediately and if not immediately it is carnal Object And thou bringest Paul who said Well spoke the Holy Ghost by Isaiah He did not say well spoke the Holy Ghost to me but to Isaiah Rep. Here thou would'st make people believe that the Apostle had not the Holy Ghost which opened to him all those words which Isaiah spoke for without the Holy Ghost he could not understand his words nor never shalt thou Object Thou sayest it was Gods word to Isaiah which he made use of against the people to whom he spake though not Gods word to him immediately Rep. And here thou shewest that thou neither knows Gods Word nor his immediate teaching who sits as a Judg upon Isaiah's condition Silence flesh for thou art for judgment and destruction and would make people believe that Isaiah was one of them that used his tongue Query 8. Whether a man shall overcome the body of sin while he is upon the earth yea or no Ans● And in thy answer thou said'st no. 〈◊〉 The Apostle said yea they were not in the flesh but 〈…〉 and he thanked God they were made free from sin 〈…〉 put off the body of sin and become servants of righteousness And here thou shewest thy self to have a lying Spirit 〈◊〉 to the Scripture which thou boastest to be thy rule and so thou brings the Saints weaknesses as they passed the warture to maintain thy own Kingdom of Sin and when John and the Apostle Paul speaks plainly of overcoming the world and Body of Sin thou speakest of a sense of overcoming as though they did not speak truth and so art giving an interpretation to their words who art in the lying Generation and for the warfare which the Apostles speaks of the Saints witnessed and do witness it and witnesses a Victory over the Body of Sin and are not alwayes in the warfare for whil'st ye are in the warfare there is no peace but they that overcome witnesses peace and joy in the Holy Ghost For he that is born of God doth not commit sin neither can he sin because his seed remains in him And here the warfare is ended who witness this and the Victory over the Body of Sin and are not si●ly women alwayes learning and never able to come to the knowledg of the truth but in that Generation thou art leading silly women captive alwayes learning and never able to come to the knowledg of the truth keeping them alwayes in their sins and pleading for thy own Kingdome which is the Kingdome of the Devil for he that commits sin is of the Devil which thou so plead'st for Query 9. Whether you do preach no other Doctrine but what the Apostles did that which was from the beginning which we have heard which we have seen with our eyes which w● have looked upon and our hands have handled of the Word o● Life for this Life is made manifest and we have seen it an● bear witness and shew it unto you Ans And in your answer to this Query you say That yo● aim at nothing but exalting Christ and you should have a

your preaching tend thither and you say you do not preac● that Christ which you have seen with your bodily eyes for Christ is in heaven and not in earth not any other that lives upon earth hath heard of him and seen him Rep. O thou dark Sot Does any see Christ with their carnal eyes and know him Was it not said to the Apostle that flesh and bloud had not revealed it unto him w●en he said Thou art the Christ the Son of the living God and from this Revelation thou hast cleared thy self Ob. And thou sayest That Christ is in heaven and not in earth Rep. And here thou hast cleared thy self to be a Reprobate Ob. And thou sayest How shall they preach except they be sent Rep. And before thou denied'st as hearing any voice from heaven and denied immediate inspiration and how dost thou exalt Christ and knows him not and the framing of a Christ shall stand for thy own condition who art without and Saul seeing Samuel indeed saw the Devil and talked with him and had fellowship with him but saw not Samuel Ob. And thou sayest You do not give your assurance but you conceive Rep. Let all people see if thy preaching be not phancy and no assurance and to be scattered among the proud who live in their imaginations and conceivings and hast cleared thy self from the eternal Spirit and canst give no testimony of that which was from the beginning Ob. And thou sayest Thou givest not thine own assurance but you conceive and speak of the Apostles assurance Rep. Let the Apostles assurance alone for that we own who wi●ness assurance but deny thy conceivings Query 10. Whether you have this word which was from the beginning and this Life manifest unto you which was to the Apostl●s and if it be why do you take a text from the Letter and preach from it and shew the people that letter Ans And thy answer is Th●s Word and this Life which is Christ made manifest in the flesh and thou sayest The design in this question is to draw all persons from all that is written to depend upon an unwritten word something within them the word from the beginning and is the Life and is manifest as they gave it out Rep. This word is owned among them you call Quakers which was from the beginning which all the Apostles spoke from which is immediate which thou hast cleared thy self from and shews that thou hast nothing but the letter which is death and feeds people with that Object And thou sayest this sort of men which hath the immediate word doth the divel shew his spite spleen and malice against the holy Scriptures Rep. Here I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be a lyar and in that state thy self for where the immediate word is which was in the beginning which gave forth the Scriptures it owns every tittle of it again and many Scriptures hast thou wrested for the taking of a Text which Christ and the Apostles spoke of the fulfilling of the Scriptures and shewed the fulfilling of the Scriptures and to bring men to Christ out of the letter into that thing the letter speaks of that they might not live in the oldness of the letter but in the newness of the spirit Ob. And thou sayest you take a text because the whole w●ll of God and mind of Christ is left you in letters which is now left us in words and letters in the Evangelists and Apostles writings and so you take a text from the letter and if the Gospel be hid it is hid from you that are lost whom the God of the world hath blind●d the mind of them that believe not Rep. Here thou speak'st thou know'st not what for if all should have been written which Christ spoke forth the world could not contain the books that might have been written of him and many could speak of his word but had not his mind therefore they persecuted him as thou dost and there thou shewest thy self to be him whom the God of the world hath blinded the mind who hath the letter of the Gospel but not that which it speaks of the Gospel the glad tydings the Son that was given but that is without thee and the letters of it thou hast but not the Gospel Object And thou sayest Saints do not as yet see Christ and yet Abraham saw his daies Rep. What confused stuff is this that comes out of thy bo●tle these are thy Saints which do not see Christ and how dost thou exalt him The Saints witness Christ in them the mystery the hope of glory but thou hast cleared thy self from this Christ from this mystery from this hope of glory to be a Reprobate and an Anti-christ and from the faith of Abraham Query 11. And shew me where the Prophets did take a text and preach from it but only Christ read a place and said it was fulfilled who said he was anoynted to preach and which of you can witness you are anoynted to preach by the living God yea or no Ans And in thy answer to this Query thou speak'st whom God calls out to be to the body in place of eyes to guide and direct them and before you denyed as hearing any such voyce as from God Reply Here all people may see thy folly and thou dost not say that you are anointed to preach by the living God or how canst thou who hast denyed his voyce or immediate inspiration Obj. And thou sayest the Prophets did take no text but laid the foundation Reply And here thou hast cleared thy self from the Prophets Christ the Foundation and though Christ did read who fulfilled the Prophets who prophesied of him and Moses who wrote of him for he was the substance and the end and though they had Synagogues and Temple and Sabbath Day to read Moses the Law and the Prophets When Christ was come and sacrificed up and who believed and received him had received the end of the Law the end of the Prophets and the end of the Sabbath and they went into the Synagogues shewing the people the substance of what they had read and to bring them of the Temple the Sabbath days and observing of times which in all thy words thou clearest thy self from that life and doctrine but would keep people in observing of days and times and places and so shews thy self in the dark generation living long in a text and not witnessing it fulfilled as Christ did Obj. And thou sayest Christ might have discoursed of a subject many months who came to fulfil what was written of him Reply Here you would make Christ like thy self who art unlearned discoursing with thy carnal mind upon that which was given forth by an Eternal Spirit who art for death and destruction Quer. 12. Tell me why you sing Davids Conditions and Experiences in Moeter and when you read them hats you put on and when you sing them hats you put off Ans And thy

carnal who hath nothing but the letter to judg withal and hast denied the eternal spirit which judgeth all things Query 15. What are the Ordinances which are ordained of God that those which you call Quakers deny or when did God command you to observe them as to sprinkle infants to pray before and after Sermons as you call them or to set times and daies and hours which was in the Generation wh●●h was enemies to Christ who observed such things Query 16. Where these Ordinances of God be which you speak of and where God commanded them and to whom which you say them you call Quakers deny mention them in particular and declare them openly in writing and give our accusing Ans In thy answer to these two Queries thou sayest we are against ●ll outward teaching Reply We are against a publike prayer which is in the state of the Phar●●e●s which Christ forbids but the praying with the Spirit we own and we are against sprinkling Infants for there is no Scripture for it but the Baptism of the Spirit we own and we are against all your singing Davids quakings tremblings prayers praises and prophesi●s in M●eter but the singing with the Spirit we own and all your performing Religion in your set hours daies and times we are against for that which is pure performs Religion and this is the pure Religion which keeps unspotted from the world therefore we do declare against your Traditions not to be Ordinances of Christ but the Ordinances of Christ we own Object And something in answ●r to your own practise concerning sprinkling of Infants is this First for the act of sprinkling thou sayest something may be held forth though you use it not Reply And here thou art confused you would go to hold up something for your own practise and yet thou sayest you do not use it Object And thou bringest the bloud of Christ which is called the bloud of sprinkling and thou sayest seeing water in Baptism be sprinkled and the subject types of Christs bloud Reply Here thou hast made this tipe Christ made it not neither is there any such types made in the Scripture neither any such seal as sprinkling infants Object And thou sayest as for sprinkling Infants something may be held forth for it the bloud of Christ called the bloud of sprinkling Rep. Here thou would'st set the sprinkling of Infants above the Bloud of Christ and make the bloud of Christ of none effect and make the bloud of Christ a figure of sprinkling Infants but the bloud of Christ we own and deny thee and thy holdings forth who would make the substance a figure or a type sprinkling Infants and many Scriptures you bring but not a word to justifie sprinkling Infants and fain you would bring some Scriptures to cover thee but there is not one will witness thee in the Scriptures for sprinkling Infants Object And whereas thou bring'st Gen. 17. ver 7. as concerning God establishing his promise to his seed Rep. Thou lyar here I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to pervert the Scriptures doth that Scripture speak of sprinkling Infants there is not such a word in it who makes people blind like thy self and would'st make them but God hath raised up a light in the hearts of his people that doth discover thee Object And thou bring'st Exod. 12.48 which there is not a word in it to justifie sprinkling Infants and thou bring'st Deut. 19.10.11 Jer. 31.34 Rep. I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be a lyar for in all these Scriptures there is not a word that speaks of sprinkling Infants but thou lyar and Sorcerer goes about to bewitch people with thy Inchantments but thy Whoredoms are di●covered and Acts 22.16 thou pervertest there is not a word in it of sprinkling Infants and Acts 2.38 which thou would'st pervert And here again I charge thee to be a lyar for those Scriptures do not speak of sprinkling Infants and to the state of Simon Magns thou art not yet come to witness that Baptism as he did but art in thy Sorcery and so as thou made a type thou art now making Seals and Covenants and thy sprinkling Infants is a Seal of thy Covenants which there is not a word in Scripture for Again Gen. 17.7 thou perverts the Scriptures to maintain sprinkling Infants which there is not a word in Scripture to justifie it and Rom. 4.11 thou bring'st to justifie sprinkling Infants which there is not one word for it and Heb. 10.16 thou bring'st to justifie sprinkling Infants which there is not one word for it and Jer. 33.33 thou bring'st to justifie it where there is not so many verses in it not 33. Col. 2.11 thou bring'st also to justifie sprinkling Infants which speaks not one word for it and Exod. 12.48 over again once would have served thee to prove thy self a lyar and Deut. 9.10.11 thou bring'st over again to prove thy self a lyar withal for there is not one word to justifie it and thou bring'st Mat. 7.4 for the application of Water and here I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be a lyar and a wrester and a perverter of the Scriptures for not one word in all these Scriptures doth speak of sprinkling infants who would have a cl●ak but canst get none and calls these the Ordinances of Christ which are none for the Ordinances of Christ we own and Baptism we own but thy Traditions we deny Object And in thy answer concerning praying afore and after Sermon Rep. Thou bring'st the Saints conditions the Apostles praying and the Saints to justifie thy own who a●t in the state of the Pharisees and so puts no difference between the holy and prophane betwixt the precious and the vile and so shews thy self to be a false Prophet among the false Prophets for as thou confesses thou never heard the Voice of God and denies immediate inspiration And what hast thou to do to pray or talk of the Church of Christ the Apostles conditions who hast shewed thy self to be an hypocrite for God hears not hypocrites and we do believe and know that you never heard his Voice and here thou sh●west thy prayers are abomination to him therfore I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to let the Saints conditions and prayers alone for God heareth the righteous but accepts not the prayers of the wicked who art not come so far as Balaam for he heard the Voice of God therefore because the Saints prayed which you would bring their conditions for thy praying afore and after Sermon and there is no Scripture will cloke you Object And whereas thou sayest women are not suffered to teach Rep. And did not Christ send a woman to teach and did he not say his Daughters shall Prophecy thou art the woman that art forb●dden to teach who confesses you never heard Gods Voice nor immediate inspiration therefore silence flesh before the Lord but the Apostles and Saints praying we own

rule for the Scripture saith As he is so are we in this present world Obj. And thou sayest but Ministerial gifts are not to be found in the world which the Ministers of the Gospel had Rep. Here to the view of all people thou hast brought thy self un-the curse for if it be not the same M●n●stery and the same gifts it is another therefore silence flesh let the Apostles alone command and charge thee in the presence of the Lord who sayest the gifts are not now to be found in the world which the Ministers of the Go●pel had here thou hast cleared thy self and thy generation from them if it be not the same it is another which is contrary and here thou shewest thy self to be the w●●ch that bewitches people Object Which saith there is now no such gifts as they had which were Ministers of the Spirit nor any such Pastors Offic●rs and Teachers now as was then Rep. Here again I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be a lyar who hath shut thy self in the state of the Pharisees hath cleared thy self from the Church of God Pastors Officers and Teachers for the Officers Pastors and Teachers are the same now which ever was we witness it and witness thee to be a lyar and all that are not the same Officers Pastors Teachers and Ministers of the Spirit are accused which thou and all thy Generation are guilty of who are not the same Officers Pastors Teachers and Ministers as was then and if not the same then they are contrary to Scriptures and here let the Scriptures condemn thee and them and here thou deny'st your selve to be any Pastors Teachers of the Church of Christ who saith there is none such now as was then and we witness the Church of Christ the Piller and ground of truth to be the same now as ever was and the same Officers Pastors Ministers and Teachers of the Spirit as ever was and yours thou sayest is not the same therefore they are all false contrary to the Scriptures contrary to the Gospel therefore the curse is upon thee who sayest they are not the same now as was then we witness Christ the same yesterday to day and for ever and what hast thou to do to talk of establishing truth which sayes Officers are not the same now as was then then the truth is not the same nor the Gospel there thou shewest thy self to be a gainsayer and what hast thou to do to talk of qualifications who would make truth changeable truth changes not Obj. And as thou sayest you reason there is no believers in these latter ages because thou sayest they shall cast out devils and speak with new tongues Reply In thy generation there is not but they which believe now speak with new tongues and cast out devils that makes thee to vent forth thy blasphemy against them that doth and here thou shewest thy self to be an unbeliever let the Scriptures judg thee Object And thou sayest The Apostle requires a waiting upon an outward teaching and exhorting Reply Here thou wouldest judg the Apostles teaching which is immediate to be like thy self which are carnal and without who denies ●here is any such Officers Pastors and Teachers now as was then Here thou prov'st thy self to be a Witch who draws people into another thing as thou decla●●st in the 47. page of thy book in thy answer to the eighteenth Query Obj. And thou talk'st of waiting upon the office and living upon the Gospel a temporary and transitory Gospel and yet thou d●niest the same Officers and Teachers as was then Reply There thou art without in another temporary and transitory Gospel as thou call'st it Obj. And whereas thou sayest In these daies th●y shall heap up to themselves Teachers Rep. This is thy self O your selves who saith Teachers are not the same now as was then and here thou com'st under the Prophecy that Paul speaks to Timothy 1 Tim. 2.4 for thou confess●s they are not such as was then Object Whereas thou sayest Can any rational person conceive how preaching is like to be kept up Rep. The preaching of Christ is kept up without thy conceiving for it is not any rational person that keeps up preaching who lives in the conceivings And again thou clearest thy self from the Ministers of Christ who were made Ministers by the will of God and thou who deniest the same teachings to be now as was then art one amongst those Teachers that follows their own lusts phancies and fables and cannot indure sound Doctrine having itching ears turning to fables from the truth thou hast confessed there is no such Teachers now as was then therefore thou and thy company art another in your own w●lls out of the will of God distant from truth and to be them that Peter and the Apostle prophecied of which should come in the last time following your phancies senses and consequences which the eternal Spirit that gave forth the Scriptures ever judged and condemned such Object And whereas thou sayest Thou would'st have them first proved before approved and thou alledgest 1 Tim. 3.10 Rep. And thou deny'st that Office that was then that there is none such now and here thou art disapproved with the Scriptures for it disapproves thee 1 Tim. 3.10 and in the 47. page of thy book Object And in the third particular thou art justi●ying standing praying in the Sinagogues and thou bring'st Solomons examples who pray●● in the behalf of Israel Reply Here thou shewest thy self plainly to be a false Prophet indeed who puts no difference between Solomons praying and the Pharisees who stood praying in the Synagogues Object And whereas thou accusest us that we are against praying Reply Here thou dost lye thy praying we deny who puts no difference between the Heathen and the Saints but the Saints pravers we own and Solomons praying we own Object And thou sayest Your places cannot hardly be called as the Jews Sinagogues was for it was not erected for any spiritual use Rep. No more is yours for thou deniest immediate inspiration and they that did witness imm●diate inspiration was persecuted in the Jews Sinagogues the Saints which meet together in the eternal word denied all the Jews practises which met together in such a mans ●ouse Object Fourth particular and thou dost lye in saying we would have no meetings Rep. Because we do deny such Teachers as thou art and such practises as thou practiseth and such meetings who confesses that you are not the same Pastors and Teachers now as then so then your meetings are not the same but the Teachers as was then we own and the meetings as was then we own for truth changes not But here thou shewest that thou art changed from it who hath confessed that your Teachers is not the same Object F●fth particular thou sayest we are cavelling at places and strikes at persons Reply Thou may'st as well say Christ cavelled at persons do not speak Christs words who art thou