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A16065 Of the auctorite of the word of god agaynst the bisshop of london wherein are conteyned certen disputacyons had in the parlament howse betwene the bisshops a bowt the nomber of the sacramen[n]ts and other things, very necessary to be known, made by Alexa[n]der Alane Scot and sent to the duke of Saxon. Alesius, Alexander, 1500-1565.; Allen, Edmond, 1519?-1559. 1544 (1544) STC 292; ESTC S108900 30,774 92

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neuer cease til thei had gotē him out of the way and thei had before brought to death diuerse whom the king did highly fauor before the king him self whom thei moued by all meanes to put them to execucyon quickly could perceyue spye out their craft and suttilty But he bad me gyue hym the paper wherin I had writton my disputacyon that he might shewe it to the bisshop of londō to the other bisshops in the councel the cōtentes wherof was this Right honorable and noble lord and ye right reuerend fathers yesterday whan I disputed of the sacramentes with the bisshop of london we came thus farre that those only ought to be called sacramentes which haue the word of god for them and this point only remained to be further declared that nothing ought to be taken for the word of god but only the holy bokes of the old and newe testamēt For the bisshop of london affirmed that the tradicions and ceremonys wherof the old ecclesiastical writers do make mencyon were receiued of the apostles and geuen us of the fathers from hand to hand and therfor thei may be laufully called the word of god vnwrittō and our faith must be proued by them as well as by the holy scripture which is writton in the bible Now I haue determined to cōfute this saing and opinyō and to shewe by the manifest testimonys of christ of the Apostles of the prophetes and also of the old doctors that the Christen faith ought to leane only vpon the holy scripture and that the bokes of the old newe testament only ought to be had and taken for the word of god And because there hangeth a nother disputacyō vpon this that is to say of the auctorite of the doctors and of councels I wil also speake of them For cochleus and other blasphemos lyers which for the bellys sake haue salable tūges and in whom the saing which Paul alledgeth against them that mainteyne wicked doctrine for their bellys sake doth very wel agre saing The cretyās are alweys false lyers wicked beastes and slowe bellys These hipocrites I say do plainly hold that the church that is to say the bisshops as thei vnderstond hath pour to iudge ouer the scripture and to examyne it and also that it hath auctoryte to allowe or to refuse the gospel and to dispense with the .x. commandments and to alter the forme of baptyme and to make newe articles of our faith beside those which be conteined in the scripture Some there be that speake yet more reuerently saing that thei contend not of the scripture or of the word of god but of the exposicyon theroff which thei wil haue to be taken and sought of the church and of the doctors which be alowed of the church vnto whose iudgemēt thei say we ought to stand in all cōtrouersys of our faith what so euer thei deere whether thei haue any scripture for them or no. This sophistical suttelty although it hath more coning than the first grosse blasphemy yet it is to the same effect and thei both haue one end and defend both one opinion But yet before the bisshop of londō there was neuer none so farre past shame as to say that the rytes and ceremonys in the church which can not be proued by the scripture ought to be called the word of god vnwritten ▪ and that we ought to byld our faith vp on them as vp on the holy scripture written in the bible This threfold maze or rather one tra●●formed .iij. ways couered painted with diuers wordes hath those reasons onli to cōfirme it which the bisshop did before alledge for the vnwritton word and certē other which I wil reherse and confute in the end of this writing But first I wil beate downe this grosse blasphemy and I wil shewe and declare that our whole fayth and all the articles of the christē religiō be cōteined in the scripture of the prophetes and apostles so that a christen man is bownd to byleue no other thing than such things as may be proued out of that scripture This horrible blindnes of men and the boldnes malycyos obstinacy which foloweth therup on wherthorow thei blaspheme god and his holy word is rather to be lamented than to be conuict with many reasons the thing being so manifest But the nerer that the brightnes of the sonne of reightwisnes doth cōe and the more clerely that the light of the gospel doth shyne so moch more blinder and more obstynate are the vnfaithful made in so moch veryly that thei are more blynder now in the gret light than thei were before and thei stomble in very dede vp on the stomblyng stone and vp on the rock of sclander For the false teachers euen whan thei were in the most blind darknes were neuer so bold nor impudent as to breake out in to such a blasphemy as to say the church might make newe articles of the faith not cōteyned in the scripture or that it hath auctorite to dispēse with the .x. cōmandmēts and to alter the forme of baptyme Gerson duns dorbel Decam Tomas Bonauēture do plainly condemne this heresy and thei affirme that the truth reueled of god and conteined in the body of the bible or in the holy scripture is the foundacion of our faith that is to say the thīg where vp ō our fayth ought to be bylded thei wold neuer haue byleued that there shuld euer be so gret blindnes in the church that any man shuld be so bold as to affirme that the articles of the christen faith ought to be sought not in the scripture but in the gloses of men and in bisshops lawes or that mans tradicions rites and ceremonys receyued in the church and not conteyned in the scripture ought to be called the word of god vnwritton But I wil cease my cōplayning seing I know that now is the latter tyme wherof the prophetes christ and the apostles did prophecy that there shuld come false prophetes which shuld face out the gospel and imagyne a newe gospel euen stynking hethenyssh old wiuyssh and capcyos fables inuented by the suttyl wit of man as peter and paul calle them and of these false prophetes that is to say Antichrist did daniel christ and paul admonissh us that he shuld extolle him self a boue god and shuld robbe god of his name pour wisdom and mercy and shuld accuse him of right wisnes cruelnes and weakenes vnabylyte which thing we do manifestly see in maner in all their doctrynes as in their pardons in the popes your in purgatory in pryuate masses in the prayng vnto saintes in worshipyng of Images in the vowes of monkes and pristes and in all mans tradicyons And I pray yow is not this to accuse god of ignorance of malice and of sluggisshnes neclygence to say that god hath not writton in his holy bokes of scripture all things necessary vnto our saluacyon as though either he did not remember althings
neyther one sparke of lerning nor yet of godlines in yow And thus shal ye lose all your estimacyon and auctoryte with them which before toke yow for lerned men and profitable membres vnto the comon welth of Christendome For that which yow do hope vpon that there was neuer heresy in the church so gret but that processe of tyme with the pour and auctorite of the pope hath quenched it it is nothing to the purpose But ye must turne your opinyon and think this surely that there is nothing so feble and weake so that it be true but it shal find place and be able to stand against all falshode Truth is the doughter of tyme and tyme is the mother of truth And what so euer is beseged of truth can not long continue and vpon whose syde truth doth stand that ought not to be thought transitory or that it wil euer falle All things consist not in painted eloquence strenght or auctorite For the truth is of so gret pour strength and efficacite that it cā neyther be defended with wordes nor be ouercomne with any strength but after she hath hidden hir self long at length she putteth vp hir head and appereth and as it is written in Esdra a king is strong wyne is strongar yet wemen be more strong But truth excellyth all He spake many more things to this purpose effect very discretely to the high delyte of all that hard him And I thinking my selfe to be encoraged by his oracyon I began thus to reason against the bisshop of london Sacramentes be signes or ceremonys which make us certē and sure of the wil of god But no mans hart can be certen and sure of the wil of god with out the word of god wherfor it foloweth that there be no sacramentes without the word of god and such as can not be proued out of the holy scripture ought not to be called sacramentes The first part of this reason is Sanct Pauls own saing the .iiij. to the Romanes where he saith that circumcisyon is a tokē and a seale of the rightwisnes of faith Ergo it requyreth faith to certify mans hart of the wil of god But the word of god is the foundacyon of faith the .x. to the Roma Faith cometh bi hearing and hearing cometh by the word of god For the mynd must be taught and instruct of the wil of god by the word like as the ey is taught instruct by the outward ceremony And Paul by this saing confuteth this opinyō that the sacramētes shuld make mē rightuos and iust before god for the very outward work without faith of them that receyue thē and after this maner doth Paul speak vnto the Ephesyans that christ doth sanctifie his church thorow the bath of water in the word of life And for as moch as he ioyneth the word vnto the ceremony declareth the vertu and pour of the word of god that it bringeth with him life he doth manifestly teach that the word of god is the principal thing euyn as it were the very substance and body of the sacrament and the outward ceremony nothing els thā a token of that lyuely inflāmacyon which we receyue thorow faith in the word and promes S. Paul also in ministring the sacramēt of the lordes supper doth manifestly adde the wordes of Christ He toke bread saith he and whan he had geuen thankes he brake it and sayd take ye this and eate ye this for it is my body Item do ye this in my rememberans Beside this he teacheth euidently that only christ and none but he had pour to institute a sacramēt and that neither the apostels nor the church hath any auctorite to alter or to adde any thing vnto his ordināce where as he saith For I receiued of the lord that which I d●lyuered vnto yow et ce To what purpose shuld he go a bout to moue the peple to bileue him and to wīne their hartes with this protestacyon if it had bene lauful for him to haue made any sacramentes or to haue altered the forme maner of ministring this sacrament as some men both wickedly and shamelesly do affirme that the apostles did alter the forme of baptyme Whā I had spoken thus moch the bisshop of lōdon did interrupt me and sayd let us grāt that the sacramentes may be gathered out of the word of god yet are you farre deceyued if ye think that there is no nother word of god but that which euery sowter and cobler do reade in their mother tong And if ye think that nothing perteyneth vnto the Christen faith but that only that is writton in the byble than erre ye playnly with the Lutheranes For. S. Iohan saith that Iesus did many things which be not writton And. S. Paul commandeth the Thessalonians to obserue and kepe certē vnwritton tradicyons and ceremonys .ij. Thessa. ij Moreouer he him self did preach not the scripture only but euen also the tradicyons of the elders Act. xvj Finally we haue receyued many things of the doctors and councels by tymes which although thei be not writton in the bible yet for as moch as the old doctors of the church do make mencyon of thē we ought to grant that we receiued them of the apostles and that thei be of like autoryte with the scripture and finally that thei may worthily be called the word of god vnwritton Now whan the right noble lord Crumwel the Archbisshop with the other bisshops which did defend the pure doctrine of the gospel hard this thei smyled alytle one vpō a nother for as moch as thei sawe him flee euen in the very beginning of the disputacyon vnto his old rusty sophistry and vnwritton verites And I wold haue disputed further with the bisshop to haue cōfuted this blasphemos lye But the lord Crumwel bad me be content for the tyme began to go away and it was .xij. of the clock and thus I made an end with this protestacyon Right reuerend master bisshop ye denye that our Christē faith and religyō doth leane only vpon the word of god which is writton in the bible which thing if I can proue and declare than ye wil grant me that there be no sacramētes but those that haue the manifest word of god to confirme them vnto this he did consent and than immediately that assemble was dissolued for that day Now the next day whan the bisshops were assembled agayne and I was present with the lord crumwel there came vnto me a certē archdeacon in the name of the archbisshop of cātorbery which told me that the other bishops were greuosly offended w●th me that I being a stranger shuld be admitted vnto their disputacyō which thing whan I had shewed vnto the lord crumwel he thought it best to gyue place vnto the bisshops specially be cause he wold not procure me their hatred for he knewe wel that if thei had ones conceiued in their hartes any malyce against any mā thei wold
against the doctrynes tradicyons of men saing All flessh is euen grasse all the glory of it that is to say euen his most excellent wisdom pour is euen lyke the floure of an herbe the grasse widdereth away and the floure of the herbe falleth a way for the spyryte breath of the lord hath blowne vpon it And the peple be very grasse the grasse I say widdereth the floure falleth but the word of the lord endureth for euer c. He threatneth also euerlasting night of infidelyte or vnbylefe if we beleue eyther any newe reuelacyons withowt the word of god or els any apparicyōs of dead spretes The wordes after the true hebrue text be these Shal the peple seke councel of their god or shal thei are councel of the deade for the liuyng shal thei not rather loke serch in the lawe of the lord and tak the testimony of god vnto councel Iff thei tel you not saith he according vnto this word thei shal haue no mornīg lyght Sureli this is a sore threatning vnto them which vnderstond what this voyce is what this derknes signifyeth and who is the auctor causer of it Iohn calleth christ the light that shyneth in darknes that lightneth all mē which come in to this world he saith that the true life is in the word of god that life is the light of men again that god is the light in whom is no darknes at all that who so euer walketh in darknes hath no felowship with god And christ calleth hī self the life of the world he saith vnto us Walk in the light whyle ye haue it that no darknes compasse now c. Now the deuel is the prince of all darknes he did first steale this light from mankind thorow infidelite he did first robbe us of the true knowlege of god and brought us in to all darknes of infydelite and in to all kindes of errors But the sonne of rigtuosnes hath restored this light vnto the world agayne and his coming was vnto us the bright mornīg wherof Esay speaketh in this place And it is no meruel that we haue walked in a continual darknes thus long for we haue forsaken the word of god and sought the light in the deuils doctrine in our own wisdom in mans tradicyons we haue had so gret confydence in fantasyes that we haue byleued deade spyrites made newe artycles of our fayth euen owt of the appearing of them as namely that there is a purgatory after this life out of the which soules may be redemed thorow the sacrifice of the masse which the pope and the deuyl haue ordeyned to be a sacrifice for the quick and the deade contrary to the institutyon and ordināce of christ But now let us heare what witnesse christ him selfe the euerlasting word of god geueth of his scripture For the same question was disputed of euē in christes tyme among the high doctors which thought that the scripture without the tradicyons of the elders was not sufficient vnto their saluacyon and one of those doctors came to christ and saide master what may I doo to enioye euerlasting life But christ sēt this curios infidele vnto the scripture sayng what is writton in the lawe How dost thow reade thereī as though he shuld say Doist thou thinck that god is a wauerer or a changeling that wil alter his mynd euery howr as men change their lawes and imagine dayli newe opinions of god I tell the the word of god continueth for euer and do thou nothing but euen the selfe thing only that thow seyst writton in the law and so thou shalt liue he saith not now how thinkest thou or how dost thow heare the pharises the scribes preach teach but he sendeth hym to the scripture and sayth what readest thou there Do that thou shalt lyue And although the scribes pharises and doctors did euer patch their lawes and tradicyons vnto t●e word of god yea and preferred thē also before it as christ sheweth in the .xv. .xxiij. of Mathew yet all other among w●om the true church did raygne had on iudgement bylefe namely that the wil of god must be known by the scripture only that a●l articles must be iudged and examyned by it as christ declareth where as he saith vnto the iewes Serch the scriptures for ye beleue surely that ye shal haue euerlasting life in thē by the which wordes christ testifieth playnly that this was the opynion and iudgement of the o●d church that all men shuld knowe the wil of god by the scripture only and that thei shuld iudge all articles of the faith necessari vnto saluacyon by that only And where as he biddeth thē exam●ne his preaching by the scripture he sheweth euidently euin the whole gospel to becōteyned in the old scripture And who so euer denieth the cōmandment of Moyses before rehersed to perteyne vnto us because the Apostles had not yet writtō their bokes thei be very asseheades withowt any knoulege or vnderstōding For this rule did the Apostels folowe whan thei testified vn to the church of the gospel that no boke shuld be receyued except it consentyd with the old scripture and by this rule the church refused the bokes which confirmed their storys by the prophetes And by this rule do the Euangelistes proue their writings Paul also procureth auctorite vn to his pistle to the Roma .j. by this same rule where as he saith that his gospel was before promised by the prophetes in the holy scriptures To this purpose also serue these saings of christ If ye beleued Moyses ye wold bileue me also for he wrote of me c. and agayne this Serche the scriptures c. for euen thei beare witnesse of me Now this controuersy of the vnwritton word of mans gloses and tradicyons if we wil folow the councel of our fore fathers and stande to the iudgement of the church in christes tyme I wil lay this sentēce of the old church confirmed of christ for me against all that my aduersarys can make or say writton in the xij of Iohn The word which I haue spoken shal iudge them in the last day And if this word were not writtō or if it were not all writton who could besure certen of his saluacyon or of the wil and pleasure of god And if our faith and the saluacyon of mankynd did depend only of mennes doctryne so that the sōme rule of our religion were not writton in the scripture who durst trust bileue that one hole perfight and vnblemisshed sentence of christ were left vnto us For seing the deuel wresteth the scripture vnto eueri wicked opinyon and durst refuse the scripture thorow the Manicheis as he doth now adays cause it be burnt by the bisshops who dowteth but that he wold rather haue destroyed the whole scripture at ones more than .xv. hundreth yere agone and to haue
set vp in the steade of it his own blasphemes and that thei shuld haue bene called the writton word of god rather thā the vnwritton inuented word Oh lord the holy gost had euel prouided for us if he had left us in the holy scripture only part of the word and will of god And how could god haue lauffully dāned us for receyuing strange doctrines euen after the commandmentes of the bisshops if he had not left all things necessary for our saluacyon writton in his holy word And againe where as christ cōmandeth us to heare the church if we shuld not know the true church only by the scripture but by pour auc torite saccession who shuld haue durst ones to haue opened his lippes against the Idolatrissh seruice and false tradiciōs of the bishops or ones haue whisspred against any wickednes had it bene neuer so manifest But thei being thorouly blīded do not perceyue this most shameful and detestable blasphemy Thei doo not consyder what ignorance neclygence vnmercifulnes thei ascrybe vnto god whā as thei say that god did not regard that the word shuld be writton whereby he saith that we shal be iudged at the latter day But the holy gost esspyed before the malyce of the deuel and also this blasphemy and therfor to represse and confownd his purpose and tyranny and agayne to stopp the mouthes of all other he enioyned his scribes that is to say the Prophetes Apostels and euangelistes to wryte this word that we shuld haue by us a sure and a perpetual testimony whereunto we might surely trust and wherby he might shew declare hym selfe to damne the wicked lawfully And he cōmanded the apostels that thei shuld beare witnes of this scripture and that thei shulde reiecte all other writinges whose so euer thei were which went abowt to mixe their lyes with the gospel lyke as s. luke in the prologe of his gospel sayth I thought it good to wryte vnto the gentil brother Theophyl all things which I haue serched out with all dilygence from the beginning that thou mightest haue a perfight groūde to bild thy fayth vp on which thou le●nydst in thy youth c. By this so euydent a testymony hath the holy goost stablysshed confirmed our hartes agaynst the blasphemy of antichrist which accuseth the holy gost of most shameful wickednes and vnrightuosnes saing that he did not regard to wryte all Articles of our christen religyon and faith but that he wold thei shuld depend vpon vncerten doctrynes which the bisshops might make and alter as oft as thei list And the holy gost was not content with this one testimony but he caused the self same euangelist which had promised him self to wryte all things from the beginnig with all diligēce to testifye agayne that he had fulfilled his promes for in the begīnig of the actes he saith that he hath writtō in the story of his gospel of all things which christ both did and taught euē vntyl that day that he left this world And because there were certē which did falsely wrytte and wrest this place the holy father Chrisostome doth expownd it thus There be some that enquire how luke could wryght of all things which christ both did taught seīg Iohn sayth it were impossible to wryte all thīgs whom I answer saith he luke meneth not al thīgs but of all things necessary vnto our saluacion But the holy gost nedeth no helpe of animan to cōfirm his wordes for he which is the most coning craftesman of all and hath the knoulege of all wordes did espie before what cauillacyon the deuel wold make at that therfor he maketh answere vnto it euen by the self same euangelist For where as Ihon had sayd that Iesus had done many miracles which be not writtō he addeth immediatly and saith These be writtō that ye shuld bileue that Iesus is the son of god that ye beleuing shuld haue euerlastīg life hy his name By th●s wordes it is manifest that the sōme of all christes doctrine and so many miracles also were writton as be sufficyent to confirme our faith all maner of articles whiche we be bownd to byleue For this article that Iesus is the son of god the promised seede which shuld breake the serpentes heade and restore that lyfe which the deuel had stolen from us and had brought agayne restored thorow the apperyng of the gospel that light which was darckened hidden by the prince of darknes vnto themyserable world sitting or liuing before in darknes in the shadowe of death this article I say is the sōme of the whole scripture and the principal point or article of s. Iohns gospel And for this articles sake he sayth in his first pistel that he wrote all things vnto all men and that he which byleueth in the son hathe the witnesse ī him selfe that is to say he doth vnderstonde the somme of the whole scripture And because god wold haue the holy bokes wr●ttō testifye of this sede that was to come namely the son of god the whole scripture is a testimony of this christ and son of god there are many t●m●s dyuerse witnesses alledged in the scripture to beare witnes of christ that he is the son of god cōceyued by the holy gost borne of the virgine suffred death is rysen vp agayn c. And vnto this had he respect wh●n he sayd Serche the scriptures for thei beare witnes of me And peter speaketh in like maner s●īg All the prophet●s do witnesse with h●m that god forgeueth all the syn̄es vnto them which bileue and put their confydence in this christ And Paul saith in lyke maner that rightuosnes was testifyed of in the lawe in the prophetes Wherfore thos testimonys which proue Iesus to be the son of god do sufficiently proue also our whole christē faith and all maner of articles necessar●y to saluacyon and to euerlasting life And it were no hard thing to dyduce and drawe all the articles of the faith euen owt of this one For he that byleueth Iesus to be the son of god must nedes also grant god the father almyghty maker of heauen and erth to be the natural father of our lord Iesus christ and that for his sake he is our father and we be the sōnes of god for Iesus sake and thorow him And christ saith byleue ye in god so byleue in me also do ye not byleue that I am in the father and the father in me And Iohn saith who so euer confesseth Iesus to be the son of god khe hath both the father the son Item who so euer bileueth Iesus to be the natural son of god must nedes acknoulege that he is that Emanuel of whom Esay did Prophecy that he shuld be borne of a virgyn and shuld suffer death lyke as other scriptures had before testifyed he saythe O ye folisshe hartes harde to byleue all thīgs which the prophetes haue