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A50496 A brief account of the most material passages between those called Quakers and Baptists at the Barbican-meeting, London, the 9th of the 8th moneth, 1674 / published for information by W. Mead ... [et.al.] citizens there present, from the best collection they could make by writing and memory ; also a copy of the charges against Thomas Hicks ; with a letter from a sober Baptist-preacher to Jeremy Ives upon the account of that meeting. Mead, William, 1628-1713.; Penn, William, 1644-1718. 1674 (1674) Wing M1565; ESTC R29519 16,320 46

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dial._n 1._o p._n 76._o romish_a emissary_n see_v reas_n against_o rail_n p._n 170_o 171._o append._n ibid._n p._n 7_o 8._o c●u●t_fw-la chr._n p._n 120._o q._n ap._n ans_fw-fr p._n 24_o 25._o 14._o he_o proclaim_v to_o the_o world_n that_o our_o religion_n be_v a_o mere_a cheat_n calculate_v only_o to_o the_o service_n of_o the_o devil_n and_o their_o own_o lust_n dial._n 1._o pag._n 62._o 15._o if_o a_o merchant_n sell_v you_o his_o good_n he_o must_v stay_v for_o his_o money_n till_o you_o say_v he_o be_v move_v to_o pay_v it_o till_o which_o time_n you_o be_v under_o no_o obligation_n in_o point_n of_o duty_n you_o say_v it_o be_v necessary_a to_o have_v thing_n reveal_v to_o you_o with_o respect_n to_o your_o conversation_n in_o the_o world_n which_o be_v not_o to_o be_v find_v in_o the_o scripture_n no_o not_o by_o consequence_n how_o then_o may_v your_o creditor_n be_v assure_v it_o will_v be_v reveal_v to_o you_o to_o pay_v what_o you_o owe_v they_o scripture_n and_o reason_n 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