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A31449 Vindiciae vindiciarum, or, A further manifestation of M.J.C., his contradictions instanced in Vindiciae clavium being a rejoinder to his reply (to some few of those many contradictions) in his last book called, The way of Congregationall churches cleared, part 2 / by D.C. Cawdrey, Daniel, 1588-1664. 1651 (1651) Wing C1641; ESTC R23919 36,878 62

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the_o whole_a body_n and_o if_o it_o shall_v happen_v that_o any_o power_n of_o the_o key_n shall_v appear_v to_o be_v give_v to_o the_o church_n as_o distinct_a from_o her_o officer_n whether_o it_o belong_v first_o to_o the_o catholic_a visible_a church_n or_o to_o a_o particular_a congregation_n the_o question_n than_o be_v clear_o this_o whether_o the_o key_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n be_v give_v subjectiuè_fw-la to_o the_o church-catholike_a in_o her_o officer_n on_o the_o particular_a congregation_n without_o or_o with_o her_o officer_n and_o now_o we_o shall_v consider_v what_o you_o resolve_v upon_o this_o question_n thus_o you_o assert_v the_o church_n to_o which_o the_o lord_n jesus_n commit_v the_o key_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n matth._n 16.29_o be_v caetus_fw-la fidelium_fw-la common_o call_v a_o particular_a visible_a church_n etc._n etc._n to_o which_o i_o answer_v not_o as_o a_o avenger_n there_o be_v not_o the_o least_o colour_n of_o that_o but_o as_o a_o assertor_n give_v also_o my_o reason_n of_o all_o the_o rest_n this_o be_v the_o most_o improbable_a sense_n of_o our_o saviour_n word_n if_o by_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n on_o earth_n he_o mean_v that_o church_n of_o which_o he_o speak_v in_o vers_fw-la 18._o but_o that_o be_v either_o the_o catholic_a visible_a church_n or_o rather_o the_o invisible_a mystical_a church_n etc._n etc._n that_o one_o or_o both_o of_o these_o for_o by_o my_o word_n rather_o i_o do_v not_o exclude_v the_o other_o be_v mean_v and_o that_o primary_o be_v to_o i_o still_o most_o probable_a upon_o these_o reason_n 1._o this_o be_v the_o first_o time_n that_o the_o church_n my_o church_n the_o evangelical_a church_n be_v name_v it_o be_v not_o probable_a that_o our_o saviour_n will_v intend_v it_o only_o of_o a_o particular_a congregation_n but_o of_o the_o catholic_a church_n for_o that_o be_v primary_o christ_n church_n and_o that_o be_v proper_o build_v upon_o the_o rock_n and_o against_o that_o the_o gate_n of_o hell_n shall_v never_o prevail_v whereas_o as_o i_o say_v afterward_o particular_a church_n may_v fail_v and_o have_v fail_v there_o be_v far_o more_o colour_n for_o a_o particular_a church_n to_o be_v mean_v matth._n 18.17_o tell_v the_o church_n because_o excommunication_n be_v execute_v in_o a_o particular_a church_n first_o and_o consequent_o in_o the_o catholic_a church_n but_o there_o be_v not_o any_o shadow_n for_o it_o in_o the_o text_n in_o hand_n do_v christ_n mean_a i_o will_v build_v my_o church_n that_o be_v a_o particular_a church_n only_o upon_o this_o rock_n and_o not_o rather_o the_o catholic_a church_n and_o the_o particular_a secondary_o as_o a_o member_n thereof_o it_o may_v be_v a_o question_n between_o the_o invisible_a and_o visible_a catholic_a church_n which_o be_v mean_v there_o as_o after_o but_o none_o till_o of_o late_a so_o much_o as_o make_v the_o question_n betwixt_o the_o catholic_a and_o particular_a church_n 2._o peter_n be_v a_o apostle_n and_o have_v give_v to_o he_o the_o key_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n not_o of_o any_o particular_a church_n for_o he_o and_o so_o his_o fellow-apostle_n be_v never_o pastor_n of_o any_o particular_a church_n therefore_o it_o seem_v more_o reasonable_a that_o the_o catholic_a church_n be_v there_o mean_v they_o have_v habitual_o the_o key_n of_o particular_a church_n in_o the_o catholic_a as_o pastor_n have_v habitual_o the_o key_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n in_o a_o particular_a they_o be_v actual_o elder_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n as_o pastor_n be_v actual_o elder_n of_o a_o particular_a church_n 3._o the_o key_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n that_o be_v the_o church_n be_v give_v to_o peter_n as_o distinguish_v from_o the_o church_n therefore_o they_o be_v not_o there_o give_v to_o the_o church_n as_o if_o a_o lord_n shall_v say_v to_o he_o who_o he_o constitute_v his_o steward_n i_o give_v to_o thou_o the_o key_n of_o the_o family_n to_o open_v and_o shut_v the_o door_n of_o the_o house_n can_v the_o servant_n or_o child_n or_o any_o for_o they_o conclude_v from_o this_o grant_n the_o key_n be_v give_v to_o the_o family_n be_v peter_n the_o church_n to_o who_o the_o key_n of_o the_o church_n be_v give_v and_o therefore_o as_o distrust_v this_o sense_n of_o this_o scripture_n you_o say_v as_o you_o have_v say_v of_o the_o other_o apostle_n and_o elder_n the_o church_n or_o congregation_n of_o profess_a believer_n receive_v that_o portion_n also_o of_o church-power_n 5._o the_o key_n pag._n 5._o which_o belong_v unto_o they_o if_o not_o there_o that_o be_v in_o this_o text_n in_o hand_n yet_o elsewhere_o not_o here_o for_o certain_a whether_o elsewhere_o or_o no_o shall_v be_v try_v hereafter_o it_o be_v not_o a_o reasonable_a construction_n of_o this_o text_n to_o say_v i_o give_v to_o thou_o the_o key_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n that_o be_v of_o the_o church_n and_o to_o mean_v i_o give_v to_o the_o church_n the_o key_n of_o 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presbyser_n ib._n 49._o 4._o as_o for_o election_n and_o ordination_n of_o officer_n etc._n etc._n these_o thing_n they_o the_o brethren_n may_v do_v if_o need_v be_v without_o officer_n the_o way_n p._n 45._o 101._o 4._o ordination_n be_v not_o a_o act_n of_o supreme_a jurisdidiction_n but_o of_o order_n rather_o in_o h._n survey_v part_n 2.75_o 5._o the_o key_n of_o authority_n or_o rule_n be_v commit_v to_o the_o elder_n of_o the_o church_n and_o so_o the_o act_n of_o rule_n be_v the_o proper_a act_n of_o their_o office_n the_o key_n p._n 20._o the_o people_n discern_v and_o approve_v the_o justice_n of_o the_o censure_n give_v consent_n and_o obedience_n to_o the_o will_n and_o rule_n of_o christ_n the_o key_n pag._n 15._o 37._o 41._o the_o brethren_n stand_v in_o a_o order_n even_o a_o orderly_a subjection_n according_a to_o the_o order_n of_o the_o gospel_n p._n 11._o 5._o in_o case_n the_o officer_n do_v err_v and_o commit_v offence_n they_o shall_v be_v govern_v by_o the_o whole_a body_n of_o the_o brethren_n the_o way_n pag._n 100_o the_o church_n exercise_v several_a act_n of_o authority_n over_o the_o elder_n the_o way_n p._n 101._o the_o people_n have_v some_o stock_n of_o power_n and_o authority_n in_o government_n of_o the_o church_n the_o key_n pag._n 36._o they_o rule_v the_o church_n by_o appoint_v their_o own_o officer_n ib._n p._n 16._o  _fw-fr 6._o excommunication_n be_v one_o of_o the_o high_a act_n of_o rule_n and_o therefore_o can_v be_v perform_v but_o by_o some_o ruler_n the_o key_n p._n 16._o the_o church_n can_v excommunicate_v the_o whole_a presbytery_n because_o they_o have_v not_o receive_v from_o christ_n a_o office_n of_o rule_n without_o their_o officer_n ibid._n no_o act_n of_o the_o people_n power_n do_v proper_o bind_v unless_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o presbytery_n join_v with_o it_o ibid._n 36._o 6._o if_o all_o their_o officer_n be_v sound_a culpable_a either_o in_o heretical_a doctrine_n or_o scandalous_a crime_n the_o church_n have_v lawful_a authority_n to_o proceed_v to_o censure_v of_o they_o all_o the_o way_n p._n 45._o in_o case_n of_o offence_n give_v by_o a_o elder_a or_o whole_a eldership_n together_o the_o church_n have_v authority_n to_o require_v satisfaction_n and_o if_o they_o give_v it_o not_o to_o proceed_v to_o censure_v ibid._n p._n 101._o 6._o excommunication_n be_v not_o a_o act_n of_o power_n of_o office_n but_o of_o judgement_n nor_o a_o act_n of_o high_a rule_n but_o of_o supreme_a judgement_n seat_v in_o the_o fraternity_n survey_v par_fw-fr 3._o p._n 45._o as_o a_o church_n of_o brethren_n can_v proceed_v to_o any_o public_a censure_n without_o elder_n so_o nor_o the_o elder_n without_o concurrence_n of_o the_o people_n etc._n etc._n pref._n to_o the_o key_n pag._n 4._o 7._o it_o be_v a_o sacrilegious_a breach_n of_o order_n that_o commissary_n and_o chancellor_n want_v the_o key_n of_o order_n no_o minister_n have_v be_v invest_v with_o jurisdiction_n yea_o and_o more_o than_o ministerial_a authority_n above_o those_o elder_n who_o labour_n in_o the_o word_n and_o doctrine_n the_o key_n p_o 6._o 7._o there_o be_v a_o key_n of_o power_n give_v to_o the_o church_n with_o the_o elder_n as_o to_o open_v a_o door_n of_o entrance_n to_o the_o minister_n call_v so_o to_o shut_v the_o door_n of_o entrance_n against_o they_o in_o some_o case_n etc._n etc._n the_o key_n pag._n 9_o yea_o to_o censure_v all_o their_o elder_n without_o elder_n the_o way_n p._n 45._o etc._n etc._n as_o afore_o  _fw-fr 8._o we_o be_v far_o from_o allow_v that_o sacrilegious_a usurpation_n of_o the_o minister_n office_n practise_v in_o some_o place_n that_o private_a christian_n ordinary_o take_v upon_o they_o to_o preach_v the_o gospel_n public_o the_o key_n pag._n 6._o 8._o this_o be_v ordinary_o practise_v in_o old_a england_n and_o allow_v by_o the_o independent_a brethren_n yea_o they_o be_v but_o in_o the_o notion_n of_o gift_a brethren_n no_o minister_n to_o other_o congregation_n do_v it_o ordinary_o themselves_o  _fw-fr 9_o a_o particular_a church_n of_o saint_n profess_v the_o faith_n that_o be_v member_n without_o officer_n be_v the_o first_o subject_n of_o all_o the_o church_n office_n with_o all_o their_o spiritual_a gift_n and_o power_n the_o key_n p._n 31._o 9_o as_o the_o key_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n be_v divers_a so_o be_v the_o subject_n to_o who_o they_o be_v commit_v divers_a the_o key_n p._n 11._o the_o apostle_n be_v the_o first_o subject_n of_o apostolical_a power_n ib._n p._n 32._o a_o synod_n be_v the_o first_o subject_n of_o that_o power_n whereby_o error_n be_v convince_v and_o condemn_v etc._n etc._n ib._n p._n 47._o 9_o the_o power_n of_o the_o key_n belong_v first_o to_o a_o congregation_n of_o covenant_a believer_n suru._n