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A83496 Speeches and passages of this great and happy Parliament: from the third of November, 1640, to this instant June, 1641. Collected into one volume, and according to the most perfect originalls, exactly published. England and Wales. Parliament.; Mervyn, Audley, Sir, d. 1675.; Pym, John, 1584-1643.; Strafford, Thomas Wentworth, Earl of, 1593-1641. 1641 (1641) Wing E2309; Thomason E159_1; ESTC R212697 305,420 563

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the bond of peace The treasures of the privie Purse are but the supplies of Fancies warranted by a common Interest But the publick Tribute given by common assent supports Royall Dignity is sheltred under the wings of Prerogative and by that power covered from the eyes from the touch of deceivers In these wee render Caesar what is due to Caesar and tribute to whom tribute belongeth The proper inscription of the Crown is born here and censures those malignant spirits that dare whisper into the eares of sacred Majesty that our selves onely not your sacred person not your Royall posterity are the supreme objects of the givers The preservation of the publick union the supply of your Armies the distresses miserable distresses of the Northern parts the common calamities of the times begat the consideration of this Bill the remainder of the six entire Subsidies happily presented to your sacred Majesty by this unworthy hand the first vote advanced a credit to us to issue them for the use of your sacred Majesty The full perfection adds growth to that credit and enables us to returne to your sacred Majesty as to the Ocean the Tribute due to Justice and Soveraignty These are the vast earnests of our desires which take their rise from the due regard from the safety of your Throne of your posterity Your Royall assent stamps your image here and makes this yours and yours onely which I by the commands of the Commons humbly beseech of your sacred Majesty THE SPEECH OF Master Plydell ESQUIRE Master Speaker I Have heard since I had the honour to sit here many grievances presented and truly Sir my heart bleeds within mee when I thinke of them especially those that concerne Religion But what should I speake of grievances concerning Religion when Religion it selfe is become a grievance nay the very Nurse and Mother of all grievances all scandalls all reproaches Tantum Religio potuit suadere malorum SIR Not to trouble you with any long discourse if I have any sight that Bark both of Church and State hath a long time floated betwixt Scylla and Charibdis Popery on the one side and I know not what to call it on the other in many respects both alike dangerous unlesse the Italian Proverb may alter the Case God defend me from my reputed friends and I will defend my selfe from my profest enemies Sir Wee are intrusted by God the King and the Countrey with the managing of this Bark fraught with the fortunes of three great Kingdomes Now should wee so decline the former Rock that wee dash on the other side I humbly offer it to this Honourable Assembly whether shee might not have just cause to say shee had changed her Pilot rather then her condition and onely shifted places to finde her ruine For Sir there is as much beyond Truth as on this side it and would wee steere a right course wee must be sure to keepe the channell lest wee fall from one extreme to another from the dotage of Superstition to the frenzie of Profanenesse from bowing to Idols to worship the Calves of our owne imaginations Sir I beseech you consider what libellous Pamphlets are now printed what Sermons are preached not building hay and stubble but utterly subverting the foundations of Truth what irreverence in Churches what profanation of Gods Service to the scandall of Christianity the reproach of Religion and the intolerable griefe of all good men of which I may take up the words of Petrus de Aliaco to the Councell of Constance Nisi celeriter fiat Reformatio audeo dicere quòd licèt magna sint quae videmus tamen in brevi incomparabilia majora videmus post ista tam horrenda majora alia audiemus Sir I take God to record I am no mans Advocate no mans enemy but a faithfull lover of truth and peace and a dutifull Son of our distressed Mother the Church of England in whose behalfe and our owne my motion shall bee shortly this That the Ministers Petition with so much of their Remonstrance as hath been read may be committed and the rest of it concerning matter of Doctrine may bee referred to some learned and approved Divines who have spent their time in that noble study For give me leave to tell you there is a vulgus among the Clergy as among the Laity Et in utroque nil modicum and for these and all things which strike at the roote and branch as they please to call it I shall humbly move that wee rather consider how to satisfie the Petitioners with some timely declaration from both Houses of the lawfulnesse and conveniency of Episcopall Government derived from the Apostles and so long established in this Kingdome rather then to venture upon any alteration the consequence whereof the wisest man cannot fore-see And in truth Sir should we once begin for my owne part I know not how or where wee should stay Neverthelesse if any one doubt the superiority of Bishops over Priests and Deacons in Ecclesiasticall government or in ordination I shall be ready whensoever this House shall command mee to make it good and I think by as pregnant testimonies as wee are able to prove the difference betwixt Canonicall and Apocryphall Scripture the necessity of Infants baptisme or that the Apostles were the Authors of their owne Creed But Sir I hope you will save your selfe and mee that labour and rather devise of some set way to bind up the Churches wounds which God knowes are too wide already that so the Clergy and Laity being made friends and all reduced to the modell of our Ancestors since the Reformation we may altogether preserve the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace and so his Majesty having gratiously and prudently exprest himselfe I am the more confident wee shall not onely put an end to all mis-intelligence betwixt Prince and People but also highly advance the Protestant cause and give a deadly blow to the See of Rome Sir I humbly crave the favour of the House for God is my witnesse Non potui aliter liberare animam meam Sir THOMAS ROVVES REPORTS To the COMMONS HOUSE of PARLIAMENT 1640. Master Speaker I Am to make a Report of what was delivered at the conference of a Committee of both Houses of Parliament upon Thursday last I hope Master Speaker so much upon the favour of this House that they will give mee leave to be a Reader and that they will not expect from my age and weaknesse a particular repetition of the same words a taske too great for my memory unpractised for many yeares in such exactnesse neither am I able to represent without diminution that life and grace that those relations received from so great abilities desiring their Lordships pardon and your acceptance of the substance and matter wherein I hope I shall omit nothing substantiall and if I could repeate every word yet would it want as much luster as copies of ordinary hands doe of the best originals
but of late and were first called so 16 Rich. 2. c. 1. in our Statutes By his spiritualties I mean those wherein he is more then a Presbyter and therein I consider his authority over Presbyters by the Oath of Canonicall Obedience by which he may command them to collect tenths granted in Convocation c. 20 Hen. 6.13 p. 25. Secondly his Office which is partly Judiciall and partly ministeriall Judiciall by which he is Judge in his Courts of all matters Ecclesiasticall and spirituall within his Diocesse Cok. Rep. 8. Trollops C. Secondly he is Judge of the fitnesse of such as are presented unto him to be instituted into Benefices Cok. rep 5. Specots cap. Ministeriall and thereby he is to Sacred places Dedicate to Divine Service 9. H. 6.17 pag. 8. Secondly he is to provide for the officiating of Cures in the avoydance of Churches on neglect of the Patrons presenting thereunto Thirdly he is to certifie loyall Matrimony generall bastardy and excommunication Fourthly to execute Judgements given in quare impedit upon the writ Ad admittendum Clericum and other c. Fiftly to attend upon tryals of life to report the sufficiency or insufficiency of such as demand Clergy Sixtly to ordaine Deacons and Presbyters All these I conceive to be Jure humano given to these Bishops and may upon cause be taken away from them Ob. Bishops have been in the Primitive Church and are Apostolicall and from the beginning Sol. To this I answer first that in the pure primitive times of the Church the History whereof is recorded in the Acts and Epistles of the Apostles in which the first and best patterns of Church government is expressed there is no mention of other Bishops then the Presbyters as appeares First the holy Scriptures declare the duties and office of Presbyters and Bishops to be one the same The Bishop is to teach and rule his Church or Congregation 1 Tim. 3.2.5 and the Presbyter is to teach and feed his flock and to oversee care for and rule them 1 Pet. 5.2.3 Secondly the Presbyters are in holy Scriptures said to be the Bishops of the holy Ghost Acts 20.28 Paul charges the Presbyters of Ephesus to take heed to the flock whereof the Holy Ghost had made them Bishops And other Bishops the Holy Ghost never made Thirdly Ephesians 4.11 God is said to have given to his Church for the perfecting of the Saints for the work of the Ministery and for the edifying of the body of Christ Apostles Prophets Evangelists Pastors and Teachers here is an expres enumeration of the officers God hath given whereof the first three are extraordinary and ceased and the last only remains and is to remain untill we all come to perfection as it is ver 13. and this perpetuall Officer is called Pastor in relation to his flock whom he is to govern in Spiritualibus and Teacher in respect of his duty to feed them with the word of truth and is the very same with the Presbyter as appeares above Argumentum à divisione est fortissimum The Bishop as he is any more then a Presbyter is none of these no Officer given by God and therefore ought not to be in the Church Christ the King of his Church was faithfull in his House not only as a servant as Moses was but as the Son in an excellency and eminency Heb. 3.5 and to his kingly Office it pertains to appoint the Officers he will use for the government of his Church in spiritualibus and it agrees not with his faithfulnesse to neglect or omit the appointment of them and leave his House his Church without such Officers He is only wise and therefore best knows what Officers are usefull for his Church and infinitly loving of his Church and therefore hath not left her without any Officer fit for her Ob. Titus in the end of Pauls Epistle unto him is said to be the first Bishop of Crete and Timothy in the end of the Epistles unto him to be the first Bishop of Ephesus Sol. Those additions are spurious and no part of the holy Scriptures Derk upon Gal. 6. infine For Tim. See 1 Cor. 4.17 16.10 Acts 17.13.15 19.22 20.4.5 1 Thes 3.1.6 Heb. 13.25 Colos 1.1 Phil. 1.1 2.19 For Titus See 2 Cor. 7.13 8.6.16.23 and 12.18 Gal 2.1 2 Tim. 4.10 Tim. 1.5 and ● 3.12 and as Beza observes are not in many greek ancient copies to be found and this is so evident as it is granted by most Divines 2. And as they be no part of the Scriptures of God so they be apparently contrary unto them for by them it appears that they namely Titus Timothy were Evangelists extraordinary officers associats and fellow-helpers of the Apostles in their generall and Universall function attendant upon them and sent by them as occasion required from one Church to another never keeping any fixed residence any where and if they had been Bishops of any place Paul would never have suffered much lesse forced them to be non-residents Saint John Revel 12.3 writing to the 7 Churches of Asia directs his speech to the Angel of each Church Ob. 2. and in each of those Churches there were then severall Congregations and Presbyters therefore the Angel was the Bishop over them To this I answer that as Angel is a name common to all Presbyters who are Christs Messengers and Ambassadors So it appears to be used here by the very context cap. 2. v. 10. Where speaking to the Angel of the Church of Smyrna the holy Ghost saith Feare none of the things thou shalt suffer the Devill shall cast some of you into prison but be thou faithfull c. Angel being nomen multitudinis is taken in these chapters collectively for all the Presbyters some of whom the adversaries should imprison and not for any one above or before the rest The same appears in the like manner ver 13.23 Seeing then the Episcopacy may be taken away in all wherein it exceeds the Presbyters office and that the office of the Presbyter is cleerly jure divino I conceive we are first to restore the Presbyter to his due and to him it belongs to teach and feed his flock and to oversee care for and rule them in spiritualibus Act. 20.17 1 Tim. 3.2.5 1. Pet. 5.2.3 So saith the holy Scripture And so saith our Law also He is to minister the Doctrine and the Sacraments and the discipline of Christ as the Lord hath commanded and as this Realme hath received the same according to the commandements of God See the book of Ordering of Priests in the 3. question And he is called in our Law Rector Ecclesiae and the words of his institution be Te●octorem Ecclesiae instituimus curamque regimen animarum parochianorum tibi●in Domino committimus The Bishops have taken by usurpation from the Presbyter divers rights first contrary to his Ordination and institution they will not suffer him to preach in his own Cure