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life_n as_o he_o be_v but_o in_o a_o manner_n far_o inferior_a to_o his_o greatness_n it_o follow_v manifest_o that_o all_o church_n and_o all_o religion_n though_o never_o so_o pure_a and_o sound_v require_v we_o shall_v adore_v god_n represent_v unto_o we_o in_o a_o way_n far_o inferior_a to_o his_o majesty_n which_o according_a to_o dr._n st._n be_v flat_a idolatry_n so_o that_o the_o dr._n to_o be_v sure_a to_o persuade_v his_o devotee_n to_o be_v no_o roman_a catholic_n he_o persuade_v they_o to_o be_v of_o no_o religion_n or_o which_o be_v the_o same_o deter_v they_o from_o that_o which_o be_v essential_a to_o all_o religion_n as_o be_v the_o adoration_n of_o god_n represent_v in_o a_o manner_n inferior_a to_o his_o greatness_n and_o as_o to_o prove_v roman-catholic_n idolater_n in_o the_o veneration_n of_o god_n by_o image_n he_o prove_v himself_o the_o prophet_n and_o evangelist_n and_o all_o person_n whatsoever_o that_o profess_v any_o religion_n to_o be_v likewise_o 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absurdity_n that_o flow_v from_o what_o he_o maintain_v and_o to_o use_v the_o same_o word_n i_o set_v down_o in_o the_o appendix_n pag._n 21._o i_o infer_v and_o conclude_v hence_o how_o little_a account_n be_v to_o be_v make_v of_o the_o charge_n of_o idolatry_n lay_v upon_o the_o roman_a church_n by_o dr._n st._n see_v that_o the_o very_a same_o principle_n whereby_o he_o pretend_v to_o prove_v that_o roman-catholic_n be_v idolater_n do_v prove_v or_o they_o prove_v nothing_o as_o be_v most_o certain_a for_o a_o argument_n that_o prove_v too_o much_o prove_v nothing_o that_o the_o prophet_n the_o evangelist_n and_o the_o holy_a ghost_n be_v idolater_n and_o if_o in_o this_o main_a point_n of_o idolatry_n which_o he_o pretend_v to_o make_v manifest_a and_o undeniable_a against_o we_o he_o do_v err_v so_o sacrilegious_o and_o so_o enormous_o may_v we_o not_o prudent_o think_v that_o the_o other_o charge_n of_o lesser_a moment_n which_o he_o lay_v upon_o the_o roman_a church_n and_o wherein_o he_o do_v not_o pretend_v to_o so_o great_a a_o evidence_n be_v mere_a whimsy_n and_o malicious_a calumny_n chap._n x._o concern_v the_o other_o contradiction_n commit_v by_o the_o dr._n in_o the_o charge_n he_o lay_v upon_o the_o roman_a church_n my_o design_n at_o the_o beginning_n be_v to_o pursue_v in_o particular_a the_o other_o contradiction_n wherewith_o i_o charge_v the_o dr_n but_o what_o hitherto_o have_v be_v set_v down_o be_v sufficient_a first_o because_o i_o have_v manifest_o convict_v he_o of_o self-contradiction_n in_o assert_v the_o roman_a church_n to_o be_v a_o true_a church_n and_o yet_o idolatrous_a with_o the_o gross_a idolatry_n and_o since_o the_o main_a aspersion_n the_o cast_v upon_o we_o be_v this_o of_o idolatry_n which_o therefore_o he_o term_v the_o mouth_n of_o the_o dragon_n if_o he_o can_v