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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A65620	A journey into Greece by George Wheler, Esq., in company of Dr. Spon of Lyons in six books ... : with variety of sculptures.	Wheler, George, Sir, 1650-1723.; Spon, Jacob, 1647-1685.	1682 (1682)	Wing W1607; ESTC R9388	386,054	401

✚ ΙϹ ΧΡ ΝΙΚΗ As to their Faith concerning this Mystery I cannot take upon me to determine For it hath been a Question well handled already between two learned Men of the Roman and Reformed Churches of France viz. Monsieur Arnauld and Monsieur Claud by whom Authors have been examined with much Diligence on both sides Wherein Monsieur Claud seemeth to be victorious from their Writings and the Reports of Travellers of this last Age Though by a new Confession brought about by the Marquess de Nanteulle French Ambassador now at Constantinople who with great Zeal did prosecute that Design Monsieur Arnauld seemeth to triumph Of which the World will have an Account one day I hope from Dr. Covel who was Chaplain to the English Ambassadour Sir John Finch at the same time when that Business was acted and hath particularly informed himself about it Monsieur Arnauld perswades the World That they do believe the Real Presence and Transubstantiation Monsieur Claud affirmeth the contrary However I think it is an hard Question to determine of their present Faith and of very little consequence unless they could prove that they ever did believe Transubstantiation which will be impossible to be done as is apparent from what Monsieur Claud hath written concerning that Subject It will be very difficult to prove it their present Belief because they are so very unlearned that they hardly know the Principles of their Faith and I could not find that Transubstantiation hath been heard of except amongst those that have conversed with the Roman Church Of little consequence I say For What Argument can it be against the sure Foundations of the Reformed Churches to have prevailed upon the gross Ignorance of that poor depressed Nation by imposing those Opinions upon them as if they had been from the Beginning the Doctrines of their Church and wherein they ever agreed with that of Rome This Fruit indeed the Seminaries and Missioners from them in all places of these Parts may bring forth And it were to be wished that the Protestant Princes had been as diligent to have informed them in the Truth But it is the Fortune of the Children of Darkness to be cunninger in this World than the Children of Light I had not very frequent Opportunity to examine this Matter well but where I had I commonly did At Corfu and Zant they are most certainly of the Roman Opinion as to this although professed Enemies to the Roman Church and Pope in the points of Infallibility and Procession of the Holy Spirit At Tine they are most of the Roman Religion and the Greeks use their own Liturgies and Ceremonies but are governed by a Latine Bishop Micone hath a Greek Bishop and is subject to the Patriarch The Bishop of it then reigning came to Constantinople with us but for want of Language I had but little discourse with him But he had a Priest waiting on him that spoke Italian with whom I sometimes discoursed He talked as if he had never heard of such Doctrine much less believed that the Bread by Consecration was really changed into the Body of Christ and seemed plainly to understand a Mystical and Spiritual Sense in it At Athens I often conversed with the Arch-Bishop who was then one called Antenos He affirmed to me That he was present at Constantinople when the Patriarch signed that Writing to the Marquess of Nanteulle that he was one of that Assembly himself and that they believed according to that Writing wherein the Article of Transubstantiation is expressed by that word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 though I do not find that ever that word was known till then to the Greek Church I asked him Whether he did not understand it 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Spiritually he answered no but 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Corporally that is to say Christ was corporally in the Sacrament Whilst I was at the Convent of St Luke's by Livadia in Boeotia there happened to come thither the Bishop of Salona with whom I had frequent discourse upon that Subject He seemed desirous when I told him That I was of England to know the Faith of our Church of which when I had given him the best Account I could he told me that it was the same with theirs For I informed him That we believed the Holy Scriptures the Apostles Creed the Nicene and that of St Athanasius That our Church was governed by Bishops and Arch-Bishops That our Faith was conformable to the Primitive Fathers and the first General Councils until the first five or six Centuries and in fine That we were not of the Roman Church After this I asked him their Opinion concerning the Holy Sacrament and what they held the Bread and Wine to be after Consecration he answered The Body and Blood of Christ When I asked him How that could be he gave me this Explication As the Sun is in Heaven and yet gives Light and Heat to the whole Earth so Christ although in Heaven yet was in the Sacrament by his Divine Power and Influence I told him That that was as we believed which was that Christ was in the Sacrament after a spiritual manner He said It was the same the Greek Church believed and was so obliging to me thereupon that he would needs have ordained me Priest the next day which as it is really the most honourable Employment a Christian can be capable of so amongst them it is most highly esteemed and I had much adoe to excuse my self by acknowledging my Unworthiness of so great an Honour This was the general Judgment of that whole Covent and of an Hermit that liveth about a Mile from thence in great austerity and held by them to be a Saint There was a Father who was Native of Zant but came away from thence so young that he was not imbued with their Principles there When I asked him Whether they believed that the Bread and Wine was changed into the Body and Blood of Christ he answered me Whether I thought them so much Beasts as to believe such an Absurdity The only thing they seemed most to dislike in us and our Religion was That I would not make any Reverence to the Pictures that are in their Churches which they always do when they come to their Devotions They never kneel in their Worship but bend their Bodies down to the Ground making the Sign of the Cross with their right hand first on their Head then on each side of their Breasts and then down to the Ground as they bow I believe that this Convent and the most inland Parts of Greece are yet free from that Opinion of the Roman Church and have not been tamper'd with by them I have made no other Remarks of the Turks Religion TURKS RELIGION and LEARNING but what have been already observed Mr. Watson a Scotchman who hath travelled those Parts for four or five Years together and hath perfected himself in the Turkish and Arabian Languages surprized my Companion and me with