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A17865 A tract of the soueraigne iudge of controuersies in matters of religion. By Iohn Cameron minister of the Word of God, and divinity professour in the Academie of Montauban. Translated into English by Iohn Verneuil. M.A. Cameron, John, 1579?-1625.; Verneuil, John, 1582 or 3-1647. 1628 (1628) STC 4532; ESTC S107505 32,785 50

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