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pro._n she_o do_v pa._n if_o she_o do_v who_o company_n do_v she_o leave_v from_o what_o body_n do_v she_o go_v forth_o where_o be_v the_o true_a church_n she_o forsake_v pro._n she_o forsake_v the_o primitive_a church_n the_o eastern_a church_n and_o all_o those_o christian_n who_o always_o maintain_v their_o freedom_n from_o the_o roman_a yoke_n pa._n 40._o the_o true_a holy_a apostolic_a catholic_n church_n be_v fallible_a and_o can_v err_v or_o it_o can_v pro._n remember_v by_o the_o church_n i_o mean_v the_o faithful_a throughout_o the_o world_n and_o of_o these_o i_o say_v they_o all_o can_v err_v in_o any_o point_n of_o faith._n pa._n why_o do_v you_o then_o false_o condemn_v she_o pro._n we_o do_v not_o condemn_v she_o we_o be_v part_n of_o she_o but_o for_o the_o roman_a church_n we_o condemn_v she_o pa._n 41._o the_o church_n of_o god_n be_v infallible_a in_o all_o her_o proposal_n and_o definition_n of_o faith_n or_o she_o be_v not_o pro._n all_o definition_n make_v by_o 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true_a prophet_n or_o he_o be_v not_o pro._n he_o be_v pa._n if_o he_o be_v how_o then_o can_v the_o gate_n of_o hell_n prevail_v against_o the_o church_n see_v he_o prophesy_v in_o st._n matt._n 16._o 18._o the_o gate_n of_o hell_n shall_v not_o prevail_v against_o she_o pro._n the_o gate_n of_o hell_n can_v prevail_v against_o the_o church_n nor_o never_o shall_v that_o be_v they_o shall_v not_o prevail_v against_o the_o whole_a church_n but_o against_o any_o particular_a church_n as_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n they_o may_v and_o have_v prevail_v but_o here_o as_o in_o the_o rest_n of_o your_o query_n you_o beg_v the_o question_n suppose_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n to_o be_v the_o only_a church_n of_o christ._n pa._n 44._o the_o holy_a ghost_n suggest_v all_o truth_n to_o the_o church_n or_o it_o do_v not_o pro._n it_o do_v pa._n if_o it_o do_v than_o it_o will_v suggest_v no_o error_n pro._n it_o will_v not_o but_o that_o do_v not_o hinder_v but_o it_o may_v permit_v satan_n to_o 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understanding_n be_v unfruitful_a and_o vers_fw-la 30._o to_o speak_v with_o tongue_n forbid_v not_o pro._n for_o god_n sake_n sir_n consider_v how_o strange_o you_o argue_v this_o be_v the_o very_a reason_n why_o we_o condemn_v public_a prayer_n in_o a_o unknown_a tongue_n because_o it_o be_v not_o to_o edification_n and_o because_o the_o understanding_n be_v unfruitful_a and_o we_o ought_v to_o pray_v with_o understanding_n 1_o cor._n 14._o 15._o the_o apostle_n here_o in_o vers_n 30._o commend_n speak_v with_o tongue_n and_o so_o do_v we_o but_o it_o be_v one_o thing_n to_o speak_v with_o tongue_n and_o another_o to_o speak_v in_o a_o unknown_a tongue_n it_o be_v not_o unlawful_a to_o speak_v to_o or_o pray_v with_o the_o people_n in_o greek_a and_o hebrew_n if_o they_o understand_v it_o or_o i_o or_o any_o other_o interpret_v it_o to_o they_o but_o to_o speak_v or_o pray_v in_o a_o tongue_n they_o do_v not_o understand_v without_o interpret_n what_o i_o say_v be_v express_o 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