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that_o deny_v christ_n before_o man_n shall_v be_v deny_v by_o christ_n before_o the_o father_n which_v proposition_n be_v contain_v matth._n 10.33_o but_o so_o do_v peter_n ergo_fw-la he_o shall_v be_v deny_v by_o christ_n answ_n 1._o in_o general_n this_o argument_n if_o it_o be_v whole_o grant_v they_o prove_v his_o final_a apostasy_n which_o themselves_o deny_v as_o we_o shall_v find_v in_o their_o next_o argument_n 2._o we_o answer_v the_o proposition_n be_v to_o be_v understand_v of_o a_o final_a denial_n of_o christ_n and_o then_o we_o deny_v the_o minor_a for_o peter_n quick_o repent_v of_o his_o denial_n matth._n 26._o ult_n to_o enforce_v their_o major_n the_o arminian_o urge_v the_o denial_n of_o christ_n be_v a_o heresy_n and_o therefore_o put_v the_o denier_n into_o a_o state_n of_o damnation_n answ_n we_o distinguish_v of_o heresy_n it_o be_v consider_v either_o material_o or_o formal_o to_o the_o latter_a pertinacy_n or_o obstinacy_n be_v a_o necessary_a ingredient_n which_o peter_n speedy_a repentance_n assure_v we_o he_o be_v not_o guilty_a of_o the_o arminian_o second_o argument_n be_v this_o he_o that_o be_v to_o be_v convert_v anew_o to_o the_o faith_n have_v lose_v the_o faith_n he_o have_v but_o peter_n be_v to_o be_v convert_v anew_o to_o the_o faith_n ergo_fw-la he_o have_v lose_v the_o faith_n he_o have_v the_o minor_a be_v prove_v by_o luke_n 22.32_o answ_n we_o distinguish_v in_o the_o minor_a between_o a_o specifical_a and_o a_o gradual_a conversion_n a_o recovery_n from_o prevail_a sin_n be_v call_v conversion_n matth._n 18.3_o which_o be_v speak_v of_o add_v to_o all_o their_o other_o grace_n that_o of_o humility_n for_o they_o be_v convert_v before_o and_o the_o reason_n of_o this_o denomination_n be_v because_o the_o increase_n of_o grace_n be_v by_o add_v a_o new_a degree_n of_o grace_n as_o in_o make_v candle_n when_o a_o candle_n be_v put_v anew_o into_o the_o fat_a of_o boil_a tallow_n every_o time_n it_o be_v put_v in_o it_o 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equivalent_a to_o a_o universal_a we_o deny_v â—hem_n both_o 2._o to_o the_o major_a we_o say_v that_o by_o fall_v from_o grace_n be_v not_o mean_v fall_v from_o true_a inherent_a grace_n but_o the_o doctrine_n of_o grace_n or_o the_o truth_n of_o the_o gospel_n which_o teach_v justification_n by_o grace_n through_o faith_n not_o by_o work_n as_o seem_v evident_a by_o compare_v the_o phrase_n elsewhere_o oppose_v to_o another_o gopel_n which_o suppose_v grace_n to_o be_v one_o gospel_n gal._n 1.6_o a_o five_o of_o hymeneus_n and_o alexander_n 1_o tim._n 1.19_o 20._o whence_o they_o argue_v they_o that_o have_v put_v away_o faith_n and_o a_o good_a conscience_n be_v total_o and_o final_o fall_v away_o from_o grace_n but_o so_o have_v hymeneus_n and_o alexander_n ergo_fw-la they_o be_v fall_v away_o answ_n we_o
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some_o true_a believer_n may_v fall_v away_o total_o and_o final_o from_o grace_n than_o all_o might_n but_o all_o can_v not_o according_a to_o his_o own_o grant_n ergo_fw-la not_o some_o i_o prove_v the_o consequence_n because_o paribus_fw-la paria_fw-la conveniunt_fw-la he_o deny_v that_o though_o there_o be_v the_o like_a reason_n for_o the_o fall_v away_o of_o all_o that_o there_o be_v for_o some_o that_o therefore_o it_o follow_v that_o if_o some_o might_n than_o all_o might_n which_o be_v so_o gross_o absurd_a i_o appeal_v to_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o intelligent_a hearer_n and_o so_o leave_v it_o i_o call_v upon_o he_o to_o hear_v christ_n own_o argument_n à _fw-la pari_fw-la from_o david_n eat_v of_o the_o shewbread_n lawful_a only_o ordinary_o to_o the_o priest_n to_o the_o disciple_n pluck_v of_o the_o ear_n of_o corn_n on_o the_o sabbath_n for_o the_o supply_n of_o a_o present_a necessity_n matth._n 12.3_o 4._o but_o be_v a_o enemy_n to_o vain_a jangle_n i_o desist_v 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jac._n 1.6_o etc._n etc._n i_o e._n for_o our_o prayer_n ought_v to_o be_v join_v with_o a_o certain_a hope_n or_o assurance_n of_o obtain_v that_o which_o we_o pray_v for_o jam._n 1.6_o and_o matth._n 21.22_o but_o when_o we_o propound_v or_o manifest_v a_o bare_a uneffectual_a desire_n we_o do_v it_o not_o with_o a_o certain_a confidence_n of_o obtain_v what_o be_v desire_v but_o rather_o with_o assurance_n of_o the_o contrary_a as_o if_o a_o man_n shall_v pray_v oh_o that_o god_n will_v let_v i_o live_v over_o again_o my_o time_n that_o be_v past_a thus_o far_o decanus_n but_o i_o must_v confess_v the_o first_o that_o i_o meet_v this_o notion_n in_o be_v mr._n richard_n hooker_n a_o very_a learned_a person_n ecclesiast_fw-la polity_n lib._n 5._o m._n 48._o where_o he_o say_v of_o prayer_n there_o be_v two_o use_n it_o serve_v as_o a_o mean_a to_o procure_v those_o thing_n which_o god_n have_v promise_v to_o grant_v when_o we_o ask_v and_o it_o serve_v as_o a_o mean_a to_o express_v 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