Selected quad for the lemma: scripture_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
scripture_n	ancient_a	church_n	rome_n	2,603	5	6.9508	4	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A41780	Hear the church, or, An appeal to the mother of us all to all the baptized believers in England, exhorting them to stedfastness in the truth, according to the scriptures : together with some farther considerations of seven queries, sent to the baptized believers in Lincolnshire, concerning the judge of contriversies in matters of religion : in three parts / by Thomas Grantham.	Grantham, Thomas, 1634-1692.	1687 (1687)	Wing G1536; ESTC R5931	41,980	66

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then_o for_o the_o same_o or_o rather_o more_o forcible_a reason_n than_o any_o man_n can_v bring_v against_o the_o scripture_n all_o author_n and_o all_o tradition_n shall_v be_v dumb_a and_o useless_a as_o to_o the_o production_n of_o the_o least_o iota_fw-la of_o divine_a faith_n so_o that_o the_o papist_n at_o the_o long-run_a mun_o if_o they_o know_v how_o show_n we_o their_o church_n without_o scripture_n or_o any_o author_n and_o without_o tradition_n also_o as_o i_o have_v former_o write_v unto_o you_o be_v provoke_v thereunto_o by_o seven_o query_n send_v by_o a_o learned_a papist_n who_o in_o his_o last_o to_o i_o do_v undertake_v to_o deliver_v himself_o from_o this_o difficulty_n after_o this_o manner_n we_o may_v say_v he_o prove_v the_o church_n by_o the_o holy_a scripture_n and_o the_o scripture_n by_o the_o church_n and_o this_o by_o a_o regressus_fw-la demonstrativus_fw-la without_o a_o vicious_a circle_n because_o we_o suppose_v they_o both_o sufficient_o prove_v 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