the country that was neare about it why then the Chayre of Moses which Christ here spake of was nothing else but the doctrine of Moses which hee hadde formerly taught and left vnto them and which Christ in this place willed his Disciples to heare and likewise to followe what the Scribes and Pharises sayd and taught but not to doe as they did to followe their sayinges but not their doinges euen so likewise Peters Seate Peters Keyes and Peters doctrine are all one and the selfe same thing but this doctrine of the preaching of the Gospell your Pope hath abolished at Rome and in the place thereof hee hath set vp the preaching of his owne lawes of his owne decrees and of his owne traditions and therefore he sitteth not on the seat of Peter but in the Seate of Antichrist in the Chayre of pestilence and for Peters comming to Rome it can doe your Pope no good at all he may well bragge a little of the matter but it will not serue his turne Ta. Thus you would conclude that Saint Peters seate consisted in nothing more then in the preaching of the Gospell And by this you woulde depriue him not onely of his Patrimony but also of his Dignity Saint Peter is little beholding to Protestants for of him that was called the Prince of the Apostles they would make him to be but Minimus Apostolorum but if to preach the Gospell be to sit in Peters Seate was it not Peter to whom Christ especially recommended the feeding of his flocke And what is meant by the feeding of the sheepe but the preaching of the word and ministring of the sacraments which as it was commended to Peter especially so it remaineth a precept for euer to the Popes that are his successors And was it not to Peter againe to whom Christ sayd I haue prayd for thee Peter that thy faith might not fayle what malitious impietie then in Protestantes to spurne against that Principality that Christ himselfe hath confirmed not onely to Peter himselfe but to the rest that bee his successors in the holy sea of Rome Pa. First for this prioritie that papistes would so faine ascribe to Peter aboue the rest of the Apostles I say our Sauiour Christ hath long sithens determined when in the 10. of Saint Markes Gospell hee told them that there shoulde bee no precedencie amongst them nor the one to bee accounted more worthy then the other and therefore flatly decreed betweene them that hee that would aspire to be greatest the same should be least now for Saint Peter esteeme him as you please choose how you will account him to be either Maximus or Minimus But what blockishnes is in papists to thinke that because Christ commanded Peter to feede his flocke that this precept therefore was giuen but to Peter himselfe as though that commandement to feede the flocke of Christ did not belong as farre foorth to all the Apostles as it did to Peter I will tell you Syr Tady there is not so simple a minister in the Church of God that hath cure of soules but according to his measure is as straightly tyed to the feeding of Christes flocke as euer was any Pope of Rome or as Peter or as Paul or as any other of the twelue Apostles And now for your Popes that you say are successours vnto Peter if wee shoulde looke into the foode what it is they haue distributed and consider of the diligence they haue vsed in performing this precept thus left vnto Peter we should find that in feeding the sheepe they haue poysoned the pasture they haue infected corrupted it with the venemous leauen of their owne lawes and traditions and in stead of giuing foode they haue fleeced the flocke they haue made a shambles of the sheepe haue murthered and massacred the innocent lambes such hauocke your Popes haue kept amongst the Saintes of God and yet they would be accounted to be Peters successors but what a counterfeit Hypocrite is your Pope that vnder a shew of humility will professe himselfe to be Seruus seruorum and yet will take vpon him to controule and dominere ouer Emperours and Kinges and because Christ hath sayd I haue prayd for thee Peter that thy faith shoulde not fayle therefore say the papistes the Pope cannot erre thus they doe wrest and wrythe holy scriptures to serue their fleshly appetites and as for Saint Peters Patrimonie Saint Peters Seate Saint Peters Keyes Saint Peters Power Saint Peters Authoritie yea and Saint Peter himselfe they are all made props and supporters to vphold the Popes pride Ta. Why how now Patricke what art thou out of thy wittes wilt thou impugne saint Peters authority or wilt thou denie that he hath absolute power both to bind and to loose either in heauen or in earth as Christ himselfe hath giuen and warranted vnto him Pa. I denie him nothing but that he had full power and authority by the preaching of the Gospel both to bind to loose to open and to shut and to doe all thinges in as large and ample maner as eyther Iames or Iohn Philip or Bartholomew or any other of the Apostles whom our Sauiour himselfe after his resurrection armed with equall authority when in the 20. of Iohn he sent them into the world to preach to all nations Ta. Thus I perceiue you can be contented that Peter shoulde march with the rest of the Apostles in equall ranke but you will not admit him any supreame authority Pa. If you can alleadge but any one place of scripture that doth giue vnto Peter any more then the rest you shall finde me apt enough to acknowledge it Ta. Is not this confirmation enough when Peter is the rocke whereon Christ himselfe said he would build his Church Pa. I wonder papistes are not ashamed to vrge that place of scripture so grossely Peter acknowledging Christ to be the sonne of God our Sauiour answered Vppon thisrocke I will builde my Church the Pope would haue the rocke to bee Peter himselfe whereon Christ promised to build his Church when indeede it was the faith of Peter confessing Christ to bee the sonne of God for faith is the rocke whereon Christes Church is built for who is of Christes Church but he onely that beleeueth Christ to bee the sonne of God this faith is it against which the gates of Hel cannot preuaile Ta. What malicious despight is this to depriue Saint Peter of his principalitie giue him some preheminence for shame if it be but because he was the first amongst the Apostles that confessed Christ to be the sonne of God Pa. It is truth Peter was the first amongst the Apostles that confessed Christ to be the sonne of God and so he was the first againe that denyed his master neither doe wee seeke to depryue that blessed Apostle of any pryoritie that the word of God doth allowe him but rather to curtall your Idolatrous Pope who by magnifiyng of Peter woulde thereby exalt himselfe Peters
the light which we haue receiued from the scriptures your holy father can neyther merchaÌ„dize the soules nor emptie the purses of so many men as he was wont to doe Ta. I tell you it is not necessary that the vnlearned and ignorant people should either looke into the Scriptures or vnderstande our prayers Pa. Nor may they not heare them reade when they come to Church Ta. Wherefore should they else come to church but to heare both Matins and Masse Pa. Then these words Beati qui audiunt verbum Dei et custodiunt ipsum is thus to be vnderstoode Blessed are they that heare the word of God and knowes not what it meaneth Ta. Our doctrine is very curious not for all to vnderstand Pa. Pray God it be not as dangerous for any to followe Ta. If there be any danger in the seruice of the Church it must be amongst Protestants where euery blinde minister may goe vp into a pulpite and teach what he list Pa. Indeede the Protestant ministers haue not halfe so manie trickes and turns whips and slips mops and moes as your priest that is at Masse Ta. Euery vnlearned Catholicke doth knowe his time when to stand vp when to kneele downe when to adore when to say Amen when to come and when to goe Pa. Indeede vse doth worke misteries and long practise hath taught them to keepe their Row to kneel when they heare the Sance-bell ring to adore when they see the Hoast ouer the priests head to stand vp when he is walking of his statioÌ„s from the one ende of the Altar to the other but may this knowledge serue thinke you for saluation Ta. Doe you make doubt of that if the people but know this and when to say Amen it is enough Pa. How vnwise was Saint Paul then not to foresee this method for as it should seeme by his Epistle to the Corinthians the people were as good to say Amen when the Sance-bell ringeth as to the priest when he mumbleth vp his Liturgies which neyther himselfe nor they vnderstande Ta. I will not speake of the peoples knowledge but I say hee is but a sory priest that doth not vnderstand asmuch as is contayned in his Portes Pa. It is an easie matter indeede for a priest to say Masse out of his owne booke but to vnderstand what hee readeth it were a goodly matter to finde one amongst tenne that could doe it Ta. To reade well and distinctly is as much as we require wee are not so precise as your puritan Protestants Pa. Yet none more ignorant then your puritan papists as one of your Catholicke priests approued himselfe at the Christening of a childe Ta. I neuer heard of the name before nor I beleeue your selfe did euer know a papist that was a puritan Pa. Ireland is full of them where we may find more precise folly amongst the papistes of that country then is to bee founde in Italy or Spaine Ta. Your country-men I perceiue are little beholding to you but out with your taâ—e of the christening of a child wher you say a papist did showe himselfe a puritan Pa. If you will haue it for a tale let it passe for a tale a true tale it is and thus it followeth but yet within the compasse of memorie an honest townsman whose name was Browne had kept his eldest sonne so long to schooll that in the beginning of Queene Maries raygne being growne vp to mans estate for his great learning and clarkeship was thought fitte to be made a massing priest by the aduise of his friendes and his owne assent he tooke orders and where beefore hee was called by the name of Tom Browne by his priestly dignitie he had this adition and was cald by the name of Sir Thomas Tom Browne It was not long but he was inuested with a benefice and a childe was brought to him to be baptized our priest that had neuer christned before betooke himselfe aforehand to looke ouer his booke and reading till he came to Abrenuntias Sathanum et omniaopera at these wordes he began to blesse himselfe and making the signe of the Crosse on his forehead he called to his assistance the Clarke that stood fast by and demanded of him what those wordes might meane the Clarke that was as ignorant as master parson himselfe tould him he vnderstoode no latine and therefore coulde not satisfie him whereuppon Syr Thomas was strucke into a great amazement for he vnderstoode neuer a worde but Sathanum and that he was sure was latine for the deuill And for the diuelles name to be vsed in the christening of a childe hee thought was far vnfit for so godly an exercise thinking therefore the worde to bee mistaken would needes seeke out a better to supply the place scraping out Sathanum he put in Christum And thus where it stood before wilt thou forsake the diuell and all his workes Syr Thomas had in this sort mended the matter Wilt thou forsake Christ and all his workes to the which the gossips in the childes name must answer Abrenuncio I forsake them Ta. I thought your tale would tend to a good purpose but admit that this were true yet here was no puritaÌ„isme the worst you can make of it was but a little mistaking and that proceeded from a godly zeale and a religious intent Pa. If you had ioyned ignorance with your zeale you hadde shot something neare the marke but by this you may perceyue how necessarie it is that both priest and people should vnderstaÌ„d what is reade and taught in the Church Ta. In our prayers we speake to God and not to men there fore I see no reason why euery man should looke to vnderstand what we reade or what we say Pa. But it is the people and not God that needeth the priests voyce in the Church prayer Ta. The priest is the mouth of the Church and therefore hee must speake for the whole congregation Pa If it be needfull for the priest to speake it is as necessary for the people to vnderstand Ta. It is needfull for the priest to speake and to make intercession for the people vnto God but in such a language as is acceptable vnto God Pa. God with whom there is no respect of persons hath lesse respect to tongues Ta. The Hebrue Greeke and Latine were all three sanctified in our Sauiours Crosse and therefore it hath beene long sithens decreede by the holy Church that God should be honored and serued in one of those three learned languages Pa. But who set vppe those learned titles was it Christ or Pylate Ta. What though they were set vp by Pylate those three languages were onely dedicated to the Crosse Pa. Then Pilates impietie that deliuered Christ to bee crucified proclaiming the sonne of God for a traytor and to aspire the Crowne of Iurie in Hebrue Greeke and Latine must prescribe a rule to the Church of God against the Apostle Corin. 14. Ta. It is enough to say that the
that is to say notwithstanding my prayer for thee thou thy selfe shalt denie me and thy successors shall be heretickes Idolaters and â—unnagates from me Ta. Make you what cauels you list in this matter I doe conclude that the rulers of the Church must needes haue the holy Ghost Pa. A happy conclusion for him that weares a mytre and by this we may perceiue how probable it is that the Pope can not erre Ta. The Pope is the head of the Church and Christes Vicar generall heere vpon earth and in matters of faith the Pope can not erre Pa. It is truely to bee proued that not onely the Popes but that wholl Councels haue sometimes erred Ta. That a Councell may erre I will not gaine say but for a Pope to be an hereticke were strange to bee told Pa. No wonder at all if your owne stories be true Honorius dyed an hereticke and was accursed after his death for heresie by a generall Counsell Ta. Well if it were so there is but one and one swallow they say maketh no summer Pa. Why then there was one Pope that was a noted heretick but if I should speake of many other abhominations that haue beene committed by Popes sithens your third Bonifacius obteyned from that Paricide Phocas the title of supremacy were infinite to bee spoken of and that the greatest number of your Popes for these 600. yeares last past haue not entered by Canonicall election but by violence sedition corruption and bribery Let your renowmed Abreuiator Apostolicus Platina beare witnes who complaineth The Popedome sayth he was come to that passe that he that could doe most with ambition or bribery he onely obteyned the papall dignitie Ta. This is but one doctors opinion trifles of no account the malicious reportes of heretickes Pa. Then I perceiue one swallow wil make no summer with you nor one doctors opinion receiued in a matter of truth but will you accept of good company what say you to Sigebertus Marianus Scotus Martinus and your holy Abbot Barnarde that haue all of them inucied against your Pope insomuch that Frier Mantuan rayleth at Rome it selfe giuing this admonishment you that wish to liue godly depart from Rome for all thinges are there suffered saue godlines Ta. The Citty of Rome hath beene renowmed both for learning and religion Pa The Citty of Rome is now infamed for all maner of abhomination Ta. Rome beareth the same name shee did 12. hundred yeares agoe and why should shee not chalenge the same vertues which then shee had Pa. Ierusalem was sometimes the holy citty but nowe shee is become a shameles strumpet and Niniuie was spared for her true repentance but sithens confounded for her disobedience Ta. You are so full of scripture Patricke that there is no dealing with you but if your Colledge doth teach this doctrine I can tell you it will cracke your credite amongst your friendes heere in Ireland but that paltry Schoolehouse will doe much harme heere in Ireland it breedeth vpp heretickes apace but if good counsayle might be accepted I could aduise you of such a course that howsoeuer it would be auayleable for your profit I am sure it would much better your credit Pa. Good counsayle comes neuer out of season to a wise man and as he may bee esteemed for a friend that will aduise it so he is no lesse happy that hath wisedome to follow it Ta. Then to shew my selfe a friend vnfeined and to make you happy if you will not front your owne fortune the matter that I would induce you vnto is to spende some three or foure yeares study in any one of the Popes Seminaries where you shoulde find a more readie and exact method maner of teaching then hitherto you haue beene aquainted with all and that forme of education and training vp as your Colledge at Dubline will neuer be able to afford Pa. You meane amongst the Iesuites Ta. I meane amongst the Iesuites that holy societie who for their great learning and godly conuersation are aboue all others most esteemed and renowmed there you shall not onely perfect your owne knowledge with diuine wisedome and vnderstanding but you shall be further enabled for the good of your country where at your returne you shall be receiued and entertained by the best inhabitants not onely of the English people but throughout the whole realme of Ireland who would not only receiue you into their houses but who soeuer did sit at the table your place should sure be aboue the salt Pa. The sum of all is this you woulde haue mee to leaue my studie heere at the Colledge and for the bettering of mine vnderstanding I should trauaile to Rome or to Remes there to bee instructed amongst the Iesuites Ta. You shall there both inrich your minde with knowledge and aduance your credite with a reuerent estimation Pa. Your Iesuites indeede are so famous for their learning that they can make themselues blinde by seeing too much they can set the holy scriptures at a iarre and they are as curious in searching out the vertue of the wordes as they be carefull to subuert the wordes of the truth what is it which they can not vtterly ouerthrow with their fiery blastes of thundering wordes by their engins of Definitions Distinctions Diuisions Sylogismes Figures Allegories then they haue so many generals and specials with such glosinges and expoundings that they will presume to measure Gods word and his workes with their logicall Sophismes The puritie of religion is inspired from aboue and not to be comprehended by diuiding defining compouÌ„ding nor by any other sophisticall manner of contending A miserable and a most vngratious study that doth nothing else but study how to erre Who are they but your Iesuites that haue brought the cause of Christ to a meere brabble of wordes whom neyther the weakenes of their owne cause nor the force of the truth nor the defence thereof so many times approued against them by the Authoritie of holy scriptures can content or disswade them to forsake the way of their contentions but that they are still whetting themselues to trouble the Church of God and to inuey against the truth Ta. You were best to take a little breath Patricke and then you may fall to your rayling againe was there euer a more malicious invectiue breathed out against that holy societi that all the world doth admire aswell for their learning as for their integritie of life Pa. I doe not maruell Sir Tady though the night Owle that hath but a scriking voyce her selfe should sometimes commend the Cuckoe for her sweete and pleasant singing Ta. And the Cuckoe for a plaine song may compare with your Nightingall Pa. So might Pan with Apollo by the iudgement of Midas Ta. I see you are too confident in your owne conceit I wisht you well and I would I coulde haue preuailed with you for your owne good Pa. I am afraid you doe preuaile with too many that by these alurements you
truth Ta. You will hardly beleeue that Christ himselfe made the likenesse of his owne face and sent it to king Abaragus Pa. I could sooner beleeue hee sent it to the Queene rather then to the king himselfe Ta. And why more to the Queene then to the king himselfe Pa. Perhaps he might send it to the Queene for a loue token Ta. Patricke where haue you learned to speake of these nippinge iestes that you haue in such a readynes Pa. Sir Tady where haue you learned to shake of these shameles lyes which you haue in such abundance Ta. I tell ye it is testified for certayne that hee sent it to king Abaragus himselfe Pa. I tell ye I cannot beleeue any of these obscure fooleryes Ta. You will say it is but a fable that the Image of our Lady was drawne by Saint Luke Pa. But do you find this to be set downe for a wrytten verity Ta. What else it is testified and confidently deliuered by Simion Metaphrastes an auncient wryter Pa. Doth not your auncyent author make mention who it was that made our Ladyes Coach Ta. As though our Lady that bare Christ did euer ride in a Coache Pa. Why not ryde in a Coach aswell as haue her Picture drawne where it is common amongst Ladyes in this age and me thinkes Simion Metaphrastes should aswel haue made mention of the one as he did of the other Ta. I see you are too full of scoffes and I could wish you to leaue them Pa. I do but tosse you backe your owne balles such as you your selfe first serued to the house and myne answers I am sure are not so ridiculous as the matters you appose Ta. I appose you with nothing but what hath beene testified by the fathers of the church whose wrytinges although many of them be perished yet being left vnto vs by tradition they must be beleeuâ—d Pa. And vnder the names and tytles of these Catholik fathers no small store of monkishe Impietyes haue bine forged but the wisdome of God hath so prouided for his church that they are well enough discouered Ta. I perceiue you are very vehement against the worshipping of Images what say you then to the Inuocation of the holy Saints themselues may we call vppon them in the time of necessitye Pa. Come vnto me sayth our sauiour all you that are laden and I will ease you if he himselfe hath so louingly called vs if we refuse him and seeke toanother it is of some distrust that wee haue of him and what is that but to make God a lyer and not to think him true in the promise he hath made vnto vs. Ta. Well I perceiue there will nothing disgest with you but Scriptures looke into the 5. of Iob how like you of those words call now if any will answer thee and turne thee to some of the Saints Pa. The wordes of Elyphaze one of Iobs friends who speaketh not of the Saints departed but wisheth Iob to consider whither any of the godly then liuing did so rage and murmure against God as he did Ta. But that God will accept of other mens prayers for vs looke into the 4 2 of Iob when his wrath being kindled against Elyphaze and his friends hee would not heare themselues but accepted Iobs prayers for them Pa. Elyphaze and his two friends because they contemned Iob and preferred their owne ryghteousnes God therefore to pull downe their pride and to giue a testimony of Iobs Innocency faith and patience sendeth Elyphaze and his felowes to Iob promising to accept his prayers for them but papystes are neare driven when they must fetch confirmation out of the old testament for the Inuocation of Saints when their owne Iesuites doe confesse that before Christs ascention praying to Saints were not in vse especially of those that were dead and deseased which by the opinion of the papistes were in Limbo till Christs ascention Ta. The fathers of the old testament did often alledge and appose against godes wrath the names and merytes of the holy Patryarches remember thy seruant Abraham Isack and Iacob for thy seruante Dauides sake refuse not thine annoynted and why may we not then stand vpon Saints merites Pa. But these Inuocations thus made doe not depend vpon the merytes of those holy Patryarches but vppon the couenant and promise which God had made vnto them and to their posterity so sayth Moses remember Abraham Isack and Iacob thy seruantes to whom thou hast sworne by thine owne selfe that thou wilt multiply their seede and such other places there be sundry in the old testament Ta. It should stand with reason and common sence that like as we are first brought into the presence of earthly kinges by fauourites and such as are in grace and lykinge about him euen so doe Saints by their holy prayers bring vs to the presence and fauour of the kinge of heauen Pa. Call vppon me in the day of trouble saith God by his Prophet and I will heare thee if any man sinne saith Saint Iohn we haue an aduocate with the father Iesus Christ No man cometh to the father but by the sonne and whatsoeuer we shall aske in Christes name we shall obtayne the same vndoubtedly These and many otherlike places we haue in the Scriptures that sende vs to Christ now if you can shew vs but one text that doth commaund vs to pray vnto Saintes it shall suffice I will neuer contend further Ta. If we haue no text of Scripture that doth command it yet being as it is approued by the Romish Church is asmuch as we care for Pa. Your Romish church indeede doth avouch what sheâ— list without care without cause without shame or without sence Ta. That the Saintes are not onely medyators and intercessors for vs that they haue sometimes a hand in our redemptyon doth playnely appeare by this prayer that the church of Rome readeth publyquely vppon Saint Thomas Beckets day that was sometynes Bishope of Canturbury which followeth in these wordes Dens pro ouius Eclesia c. O God for whose Church the glorious Bishop Thomas was put to death by the swordes of the wicked grant we beseech thee that all that desire his helpe may atteyne the effect of their petition to saluation By this it doth appeare how that gloryous Bishop Thomas did shed his bloud for the church of God And that the mistery might the more playnely appeare marke yet agayne this second prayer conteined in these wordes Tu per Tho sanguinem c. Thou O Chryst cause vs to come thither where Thomas is euen for the bloud which he shed for thy sake By this it apeareth that this holy Martyr is not only a medyatour but a redeemer for here we make intercessioÌ„ vnto Christ that by the bloud which Thomas shed wee may come where Thomas is the wordes are playne Pa. And that is to the infernal pit of Hell O doctryne of diueles that doth teach the silly people to flie from the blod
opinion be true that the Capernaites lighted on the same manner of eating that Christ proposed vnto them then they deserued rather prayse then blame but they mistooke the wordes of Christ who went about to teach them the spirituall eating of his flesh and drinking of his bloud for so doth he himselfe expound his owne words afterwards to his Disciples teaching them how they should be both faithful partakers of his flesh and rightfull interpreters of his speeches And as many fathers as haue written of that place haue so vnderstood it the which our Iesuites knowing well enough and are driuen to confesse that those wordes were spiritually meant they are therefore inforced to flie from that place which Moore so cōfidently auoweth for that carnall eating and drinking and will in no wise admit those wordes in the 6. of Iohn to appertaine to any thing that was spoken by Christ at his last supper but doe only stick as close to their Hoc est corpus meum as the Cuckoe to her songe Pope Innocent vnderstanding that place of the sixt of Iohn as that great clarke spoken of before Moore had done caused yong children and infants to receiue the sacrament And of this carnall minde were many other Bishops a long time yet afterwards looking more spiritually vppon the matter they confessed their errour Saint Augustine giuing a certaine rule how wee should knowe the tropes figures allegories and phrases of the scriptures putteth this place of the 6. of Iohn out of all doubt and question his wordes be these When soeuer the Scripture or Christ seemeth to commaund any foule or wicked thing then must that text be taken figuratiuely that is as it is a phrase allegory and maner of speaking and must be vnderstood spiritually and not after the letter Except sayth Christ you eate the flesh of the sonne of man and drinke his blood yee shall haue no life in you hee seemeth sayth Saint Augustine to commaund a foule and wicked thing it is therefore a figure commaunding vs to be partakers of his passion and sweetely and profitably to print in our mind that his flesh was crucified and wounded for vs. Ta. But tell me Patricke bee these Saint Augustins owne wordes that you haue thus repeated Pa. You shall finde them in his third booke De doctrina Christiana Cap. 16. Ta. In despite of all you can alledge out of Augustine Ambrose Peter Paul or Christ himselfe I will beleeue nothing but what the holy Catholike church of Rome doth teach and ratifie Pa. Hold you still there Syr Tady for that is the iust rewarde of errour to bee euery day more peruerse more obstinate and more malitious toward the truth then other Ta. Do you denie that the body of Christ is not really conteyned in the blessed sacrament Pa. Flatly Ta. O dangerous impiety O impious blasphemie O most detestable and damnable heresie Pa. O now I see your chiding vaine is come vpon you sir Tady Ta. Is it possible for a Catholicke priest to be patient when euery schoole boy will be inueying itterating of matter against the faith of the Catholike church Pa. For your better satisfaction Syr Tady that the fleshe of Christ is spiritually eaten by faith and beleife what better proofe then the Patriarkes and Prophets of the old law who before the incarnation of Christ did eate his fleshe and drinke his bloode but in beleeuing the promise that Christ should come as wee doe now in beleeuing that he is come Ta. But they that doe beleeue that the body and bloode of Christ is in the sacrament indeede haue the plaine words of our Sauiour himselfe for the ground and foundation of their faith Pa. So haue they the very wordes of God which say that a broken potshard is Ierusalem Ta. The Iesuites you say in the 6. of Iohn do acknowledge and confesse a spirituall vnderstanding but in the deliuering of the sacrament wee be sure hee spake of a corporall and not of a spirituall eating of his body for when our Lord sayd Take eate this is my body did hee not meane they should take it with their hands and eate it with their mouthes and therefore eyther the one place doth but serue to expounde the other or else in both places is prescribed a reall and a corporall eating of the fleshe of Christ Pa. In those wordes Take eate spoke at the last supper no doubt hee ment the corporall eating of that creature which he then gaue them And when he added This is my body he recalled to their mindes the doctryne he had formerly taught them of eatyng of the flesh drinkinge of his bloud in which because they were instructed by the Capernaits errour their maysters declaration of himselfe That the wordes that he had spoke were spirit and life they neither started nor wondered at the matter because they knewe his speaches to be allegorycall Ta. But with what confidence is it avowed by our sauiour when he sayde Verily verily I say vnto you Except yee eate the flesh of the sonne of man and drinke his bloud you haue no life in you Pa. And with what vehemency in the very same place doth he affirme when he sayth verily verily I say vnto you hee that beleeueth in me hath euerlasting life thus you see he that beleueth onely eateth the flesh and drinketh the bloude of Christ for if eating and drinking in this place were referred to the mouth and teeth Iudas or any other infidell that were partakers at the Lordes Table could not perish or els it must follow that to beleeue in Christ were better then Christ himselfe which were a great absurdity for any man to thinke And Christ himselfe hath sayd he that eateth my flesh and drinketh my bloud dwelleth in me I in him now we knowe that sometimes the wicked do eate the sacrament and yet they neither dwell in Christ nor Christ in them Ta. Well Patryck I must not giue you ouer thus I haue yet some other nuttes for you to crack before I leaue you Pa. Le ts see what maner of nuttes they be you shall see I will make a shift to cracke them and if they be oughts worth I may happ to keepe the kernels to my selfe leaue the shelles to you Ta. To proue the reall presence in the sacrament I will avouch those writers that all the Protestants in Ireland are not able to contradict Pa. Out with them in Gods name letvs heare what they be Ta. I will first begin with that great and learned Clarke Durandus who did confidently affirme that Christ is present in the sacrament to the mouth and teeth of the receiuer but hee consenteth with Hugo That we must seeke no longer for a corporal presence then whilst wee are achamming of him in our mouth So long as he doth remaine In visu sapore so long we haue him but these two will in no wise permit that hee should be swallowed in the stomacke but this