is the regarding of times the which regarding of times is superstition and Idolatry Regarding or observing of times the great point in Astrologie NOw in this place I will manifestly declare that which is one of the first and chiefest points in Astrologie and the point is this viz. The regarding or observing of times Now I say that without this point of regarding of times the Astrologers can do nothing in their Art of Astrologie for take from the Art of Astrologie but this one thing viz. The regarding or observing of times and then it will be so poor an Art that the Practitioners thereof will be ashamed to own it for then it will do them no more service neither shall the Astrologers get any more pence by their Art for telling of Fortunes or resolving of horary Questions nor for their making of Elections for take away Regarding of times and then no Astrologer can calculate your Nativity for according to the Rules of Astrologie the very exact time must be known in which the Man or Woman is born before judgement be given by the Astrologer so in like manner it is in questions elections Mr. John Booker and all other parts of Astrologie that this is according to the rules of Astrologie it is very manifest from their own words for that Astrologer Mr. Booker saith plainly thus viz. Aske what you will would you resolved be Observe your time learn your Nativitie But to come more close unto the matter I find that the Astrologers do regard and observe times to be either good or evil to do such or such a thing in because of the Stars and their positions c. for they have planetary days and hours according unto which Planets that then rule and govern Lupton page 107. ex Haly. Abenragel The Astrologers do account the time to be either good or evil for saith one the hour of Mars is to be abhorred in all things both in the beginning and when the thing is done And a little after he saith thus viz. And as I have said of Mars so I say of Saturn for there is never a good of them both meaning their hours Now this regarding of times is Superstition and Idolatry for these Reasons First Gen. 1.31 because God hath not made any thing to be both good and evil for saith Moses God saw every thing that he had made and behold it was very good So that here you may see after God had created all things behold he seeth all things to be very good then from hence I gather thus much that is that the making the Starres and so times according to the Stars and their positions to be evil for such or such a purpose I say that this making of times evil or unfortunate according to Stars and their several positions is not of from nor by the appointment of God The Reason is because the word of God saith the contrary for saith the Scripture God saw all that he had made and behold it was very good So then from this you may see according to the Scripture the hours of Saturn and Mars to be as good for to do any thing in them as in the hours of Jupiter or Venus Also the Moon may be in any of her Mansions and yet you may not fear to do any lawful thing although the Astrologer shall tell you that you have taken an infortunate election to do your operation by reason of the position of the Heavens As also because of the Moon who is in one of her Mansions which position of the Moon in the said Mansion doth signifie the destruction of the thing you have begun or that it shall be marred by this or that means before you can perform the work c. I say that none that fear the true God ought to regard these or any such like heathenish superstitions of the Astrologers because that these things aforesaid are not of Gods own institution but are of mans invention that these things are not of Gods institution it doth evidently appear from and by the Scripture for whatsoever is of Gods institution the Scripture doth bear witness of the same but the Scripture doth bear witness that God made all things good Gen. 1.31 therefore all things are good by and from Gods institution Again whatsoever is by and in the Scripture condemned the same is not of Gods institution but the regarding and observing of times Levit. 19.26 2 Kings 21.6 Deut. 18.10.11 is by and in the Scripture condemned therefore the regarding and observing of times is not of Gods institution The Arguments above written do wholly depend upon the Scripture as you may see for the first Argument whose scope is to prove that all things are good by and from Gods institution is evidently seen to agree with the Scripture and is therefore confirmed by the Scripture as you may see Gen. 1.31 in these words And God saw every thing that he had made and behold it was very good Now the Scripture saith plainly that God made every thing good so then we may now manifestly know that God made all the Stars of Heaven good also according to his word he made all years moneths weeks days and hours to be good then that fantastical opinion of making a difference of days and hours to begin a work in or upon is in very truth an Idolatrous and superstitious Dotage and fiction of the brains of the Astrologers Also the other Argument in which is declared viz. That the regarding and observing of times is not of Gods institution is proved thus because it is condemned by and in the Scripture for you find that Manasseh that great Idolater is in the Scripture reproved for his observing of times among other his Idolatrous practises for saith the Scripture thus of him viz. 2 Kings 21.6 Deut. 18.10 And he made his Sonne pass through the fire and observed times and used Inchantments and dealt with familiar spirits and Wizards c. 2 Kings 21.6 Again in Deut. 18.10 it is said viz. Let none be found among you that useth Divination or is an observer of times or an Inchanter or a Witch c. Also in Levit. 19.26 it is said Ye shall not use Inchantment nor observe times From these places of Scripture it is plainly to be seen That the regarding or observing of times is forbidden to be used and the use of it is condemnen for Idolatry Now then from hence it is apparent that Astrologers are very Idolaters because that they regard times the which regarding of times is in the Scripture condemned In the very like manner it is very apparent to all rational men that Judicial Astrologie is a secret Diabolical Divination I say secret because it is so close and a subtil delusion of the Devil whereby Satan doth delude almost all men at his pleasure and maketh men which believe in this vain delusion viz. Astrologie to think that the Stars of Heaven are
a witness be against these wicked Arts As here it is set forth by me to the grief of your hearts JOHN RAUNCE A DISCOVRSE AGAINST Judicial Astrology CHAPTER I. Of Iudicial Astrology what it is the original of it who was the Authour thereof by what Names or Titles the Professors of it are called and their Profession what it promiseth FOr as much as I have taken in hand to set forth to the view of my Countreymen the nature of that Art which is known by the name of Iudicial Astrology that now my Doctrine may be understood of all men What Astrologie that is which is by the Authour called Iudicial Astrologie I think it convenient here to set forth in few words what I mean by Iudicial Astrology which is briefly thus defined viz. by Iudicial Astrologie I understand Astrological Predictions in which the Astrologer doth foretel the particular events of things belonging to man For as much as it is my desire that my Antagonists may know and understand my mind plainly See my Declaration agaist Astrologie Page 2. line 2. 3. 4. therefore I declare that this aforesaid Art of Iudicial Astrologie is a secret diabolical Divination as it is elsewhere by me divulged Moreover I do affirm the said Art of Astrologie to be full of Idolatry and superstition and is contrary unto the Scripture as I shall here manifest and prove to all rational men whom I desire wel to consider this first Note here viz. That no Astrologer can or is able according to the Rules of their said Art to predict or foretell the event or end of any particular thing belonging unto man but by their superstitious and Idolatrous observing and regarding of time that this regarding of time is as I have said superstition and Idolatry is evident from the words of the Scripture to be seen Deut. 18.10.11 in Deut. 18.10.11 verses You may there find many unlawful things rehearsed and condemned for abominable and wicked practises amongst which unlawful observations there is also named this wicked Art of observing of time in these words Let none be found among you that is a regarder of times Note here is to be noted how that all observing and regarding of time is here forbidden and condemned Eccles 3. chap. from the 1. verse to the 8. vers which is not agreeable to the Scripture now whereas Solomon saith there is an appointed time and a time to every purpose under Heaven A time to be born and a time to die c. Solomon doth not here say that one time is better then another to be born in nor that one time is worse then another to die in again he saith there is a time to love and a time to hate a time of Warre and a time of peace Yet he doth not say that Men and Women do either love or hate each other according to the several dispositions of the significators of their Nativities Neither doth Solomon say that Warres and Peace proceed of or from the conjunction of the Planets nor yet that one time is better to go to warre in then another because of the positious of the Starres Now we may see how that Solomon saith and so with him all other wise men that there is an appointed time for every thing under the whole Heaven The sayings of this wise man Solomon are agreeable to the mind and will of God revealed in the Scripture for the Scripture doth evidently hold forth unto us that there is a time for all things to be accomplished and finished in but in no one place of the Scripture is it said that one time is better then another according to the Starres or the positions of the Heavens for to do the aforesaid things wherefore we may clearly behold our Astrologie what it is for take from it that which the word of God doth forbid and condemn and then it will be of no worth to the Astrologers because it will then appear to be a beggerly Art that hath no resting or abiding place in any part of good learning But to return to our matter again I say that Astrologie is an unlawful Art Of the observing of time the first thing why Astrologie is unlawful Deut. 18. v. 10. 11. 14. and ought not to be practised in a Christian Commonwealth First because the thing without which Astrologie cannot be practised is by and in the Scripture plainly forbidden and condemned now this thing is the regarding of times which you may see is positively condemned in the 18. Chapter of Deut. v. 10. Let none be found among you that is a regarder of times Now that the name Astrologie is not here named I confess but that the practise of Astrologie is here condemned is evident from what I have and shall set forth against the said Art In the next place I will declare to the World so far as I know who was the first inventer of Astrologie that so they who are ignorant of this secret Art The original of Astrologie who was the Inventor of it may understand from whence it came and who was the Authour of it and thereby they may the better judge of its illegality according to the judgments of many very learned men the invention of Astrologie is attributed to the Devills wherefore I have for the witnessing of the said position the Authority of that learned man G. Carleton Bishop of Chichester whose words are these viz. vide Astrologomania fol. 57. Tertul. Lib. de Idololatria Origen Hom. 13. The first Invention of Astrologie is by many learntd men attributed to the Devills With whom agree the sayings of many ancient Writers as Tertullian Clemens Alexandrinus and Lactantius with others who shall be mentioned in their proper places hereupon it is apparent from what these Authours have written in their own works that Astrologie is by them condemned for a wicked Art whose original is from the Devils and therefore is not fit to be suffered in a Common-wealth much less in and amongst those who are Christians and Professors of the Gospel St. August Lib. de Doc. Chr. Aug. Lib. de nat Daemon for as Augustin saith it is a great madness and folly to go about to tell by the Starrs the manners actions and events of men which saith he true Christian piety expelleth and condemneth Also the same Authour affirmeth that it is not lawful for any Christian to cast Nativities These things which are here alledged out of Augustin I think are able to satisfie any rational man that Astrologie is a wicked Art because as he himself confesseth in his book of Confessions Chamber ex August that he was of that ungodly society of Astrologers for his words are these viz. Now also I had renounced the false Predictions of Astrologers whom Christian and true piety expelleth and condemneth the Astrologers cannot say except they will lie that this great Doctor and ancient Father St. Augustine writ against Astrologie
Moreover the vanity and foolishness of Astrologie doth herein appear First because it hath no one place of the word of God to warrant its legality Secondly because the Scripture is not only silent in the Commendations thereof but because it is full of plain sentences which declare openly the foolishness and vanity of the said Art in that the Scripture doth deride at the Practitioners thereof and condemneth the practice of it as unlawful as it is to be seen in Isaiah 47. ch the 13. 14 verses Isaiah 47. c. v. 13.14 Jer. 10. c. v. 2. Let now the Astrologers the Star-gazers the monethly Prognosticators stand up and save thee from these things which shall come upon thee Behold they shall be as stubble the fire shall burn them they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame c. Again the practice and the Practitioners thereof are condemned Jer. 10. chap. 2. verse Thus saith the Lord learn not the way of the Heathen and be not dismayed at the signes of Heaven for the Heathen are dismayed at them c. Astrologers do superstitiously regard times as by imagining one time to be better then another according to the Planet that is Lord of the hour as is set forth hereafter and this is condemned Deut. 18.10 Thirdly Astrologie is a vain and foolish Art because that the regarding of time without which Astrologie cannot be practised is by and in the Scripture condemned for an abomination as it doth appear in the 18. of Deut. and the 14. verse which saith thus For these Nations which thou shalt possess hearkened unto observers of times and unto Diviners but as for thee the Lord thy God hath not suffered thee so to do And as you may see in the 12. verse aforegoing in the same Chap. these words viz. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee Wherefore my beloved Countreymen abandon these your Astrological follies which if you do not do I proclaim from the Lord God that destruction shall come upon you which you shall not foresee by all your art of Astrologie and when it is upon you then shall you behold your selves in misery but you shall not be able to help your selves by all your Babylonish skill consider what I say But from this I hasten to the next thing which is this viz. That Astrologie is full of Idolatrous and superstitious fables contrary to the Scripture Astrologie is full of Idolatrous and superstitious Fables now to the end that this position may be made manifest therefore in the first place I will begin with your Houses of Heaven and I say that those significations which you give of them are superstitious Fables but to the end my Reader may understand what those significations are therefore I do insert them into this figure following according as they are appropriated to the twelve Houses by the Astrologians 1 Life and Bodie of him that is born or doth ask the Question this is the Horoscope angle 2 Goods Traffick Substance Riches Gain Damage Loss Wealth or Povertie 3 Kindred Brethren Sisters Cousins small Journeys Faith and Religion Changes 4 Fathers Houses Heritages Lands Tenements hidden Treasures end of any thing belonging to Man 5 Children Gifts Presents Pleasures Plays Voluptuousness Banqueting Bravery Dancing 6 Grief Sickness Infirmities the Qualitie Cause of it Curable or not Curable 7 Wives Marriage Suits Quarrels Strife known Enmitie Debate Love questions 8 Death Sadness long Torments envie the Qualitie of Death Inheritance apparent 9 God Religion Wisdom Faith Science Voyage Ceremonies Sects Paradoxes Sacrifices Dreams 10 Honour Dignities Offices Magistrates Governers Rulers Estimation Profession Action 11 Friends Companions Hope Confidence Favour Help Succour Praise Estimation 12 Private Enemies Witches Captivitie Prisons Torment Lamentation Sadness Hate There are many other significations belonging to these 12. Houses which are so many in number that it would be over tedious for me to name them every one for they are so manifold according to the judgement of Mr. Lilley in his introduction page 50. where he saith that there is nothing appertaining to the life of man in this World which in one way or other hath not relation to one of the twelve Houses of Heaven and as the 12. signes are appropriate to the particular Members of Mans Body Mr. Lilly his Intred page 50. so also do the 12. Houses represent not only the several parts of man but his actions quality of life and living and the curiosity and judgement of our fore-fathers in Astrologie was such as they have alotted to every house a particular signification and so distinguished humane accidents throughout the whole 12. Houses as he that understands the questions appertaining to each House shall not want sufficient grounds whereon to judge or give a rational answer upon any contingent accident That the signes cannot signifie the particular Members of Mans Body neither can the Houses signifie his actions life or living and success thereof thus far Mr. Lilly with his Forefathers the Astrologers And now here again I say that whatsoever Mr. Lilly hath said or any of his Fore-fathers affirmed of the aforesaid positions is by me denied from these considerations First I say for as much as there is not a corporal Heaven representing the form and nature of a humane body therefore I do denie that the several parts life and actions of a humane body can be appropiated thereunto for because that thing which doth represent another thing in body must have the very self-same form of the thing represented So that if the several parts of Mans Body be appropriated to the 12. houses and signes then must the houses and signes represent the body of Man in form and shape but how manifestly erroneous this assertion is to all reason is proved thus First I say that the houses cannot represent the body of Man because that they are only imaginary circumstances in the circumference of the 9. Heaven Wherefore or as much as that the houses and signes have but onely an imaginary being in form and shape therefore they cannot be appropriated to the particular Members of Mans Body because the Body of Man hath a visible and real Being in form and shape which the 12. houses and signes have not because they are only imaginary things as I said before Now seeing I have from sufficient grounds denied that the 12. houses and signes can be appropriated unto the particular parts of Mans Body In the next place I am to write of the life and actions of man for this is the position of the Astrologers viz. The quality of the life actions of Man cannot be known by the Houses nor from the signes of Heaven The 12. Houses represent not only the several parts of Mans Body but his actions quality of his life and living this Position is already
the causes of those strange alterations here upon earth in the Bodies of Men and Woemen according as the Astrologers say the 12. Houses of the Heaven do signifie Now what those significations are is elsewhere by me set forth in a Figure See Chap. 2. of this Discourse and there you may find many of those things belonging to man which the Astrologers do appropriate unto the 12. Houses and withall the Astrologers do say that these 12. Houses do give signification of the particular events of the said things and also of many others which are not there by me mentioned But once again I give all men to know how that I do here again deny that any Man can know the issue event or end of any of the things a fore by me set down in the second Chapter of this Discourse in the Figure of the Astrologers 12. Houses I say that no man can by any lawful learning attain to so much knowledge therein as thereby to know the events of the aforesaid things but that some-what may be known of the particular events of those things by unlawful and filthy Arts I do not deny 1 Sam. 28. c. 7. v. c. 31. v. 6. for we find that the Witch at Endor did predict and foretel to King Saul that which afterwards fell out to be as the Witch had said What cause now then have our Astrologert to brag so much of their Predictions because the event is as they foretold I say they have no just cause to rejoyce so much as they do seeing a wicked Witch is able to do as much Again their art is such that they are not able to prove lawful according to the Scripture and therefore it doth appear to be nothing better then an art of learned Witch-craft Daemonologiae Lib. 1. cap. 3. according to which position is the saying of the late King James whose judgement is this viz. as there are two sorts of folks that may be inticed to this aâ—â— to wit Learned or un-learned so are there two meanes which are the first stirrers up and feeders of their curiosity thereby to make them to give themselves over to the same which two means I call the Devils School and the Devils Rudiments The Learned have their curiosity wakened up and fed by that which I call his School Judicial Astrologie is the Devils School for Learned men to learn orcery in This is the art of Judicial Astrologie for divers men having attained to a great perfection in learning and yet remain without the spirit of Regeneration and the fruits thereof finding all natural things common as well to the Countrey Clown as unto them hereupon they assay to purchase unto themselves a greater name by not only knowing the course of the Heavens Stars and Planets but likewise to climb to the knowledge of things to come thereby which at the first face appearing lawful unto them in respect the ground thereof seemeth to proceed of natural causes only they are so allured thereby that finding their practise to prove true in sundry things they study to the cause thereof And so mounting from degree to degree upon the slipperie and uncertain scale of curiositie they are at last intised that where lawfull Arts and Sciences fails to satisfie their restless minds even to stick to that black and unlawfull Science of Magick Where finding at the first that such divers forms of Circles and Conjurations rightly joyned thereunto will raise such divers forms of spirits to resolve them their doubts and attributing the doing to the power inseparably tyed or inherent in the Circles and many words of GOD confusedly wrapped they blindly glory in themselves as if they had by their quickness of ingeny made a Conquest of Plutoes Dominion and were become Emperors of the kingdome of Hell where in the mean time miserable wretches they are become in very deed bond-slaves to their mortall enemy viz the devil and their knowledge for all that they presume thereof is nothing increased except in knowing evil and the horrors of hell for the punishment thereof as Adam was for eating of the forbidden Tree I will here end with that saying of Saint Augustine who saith August de doc Christ lib. 2. cap. 23. that the running to these Wisemen is Genus quoddam fornicationis A spirituall kinde of fornication For all such as run after this Art or seek to those which practise the same I say they go from God and run after the Devil a whoring CHAP. IIII. The Positions and Arguments which the Astrologers use and bring for to warrant the legality of their Art of Astrologie examined condemned and overthrown Also their Objections opened controverted and Answered according to Reason HEre I am to Dispute of the Positions and Arguments which the Astrologers make use of to warrant their Art of Astrologie by but if the said Positions and Arguments are warily considered it will appear that they have nothing in them to prove the lawfulnesse of Astrologicall Predictions Of which Positions this is the greatest and strongest and the said Position is this Sir Christo Heydon viz That the Stars are naturall causes of such effects as Astrologers foretell From this Position the Astrologers frame many Arguments to prove Astrologie a lawfull Art for upon this very one Position doth rest and depend that great Discourse of Sir Christopher Heydon which he made in the Defence of Astrologie So that if I can but remove this Prop you shall see Sir Christopher's Defence of Astrologie drop down to the ground and so with it all our English Astrologers and their Art of Judiciall Astrologie for our Astrologers if a man questioneth the lawfulnesse of Astrologie with them they are then at stand what to say and have not any other way to resolve him that maketh a doubt of the said Arts legality But to send him to Sir Christopher Heydons Defence of Astrologie and thus these idle Drones which are not able to prove the legalitie of that Art which they daily practise are glad with all their hearts to run and hide themselves under Sir Christopher's protection as in a Mouse-hole for fear they should be catched in their own Arguments for it Come out of your selves you idle Drones and prove your Art of Astrologie a good true and lawfull Art if you can For if you are not able to prove the legalitie of Astrologie by sound and substantiall Arguments then for shame give off your practising of such an Art which you cannot prove lawfull and honest and think not with your selves that seeing we are not able to prove Astrologie a lawfull and honest Art yet we have on our side Sir Christopher Heydon and Doctor Gell and they shall prove it for us I give you to understand I will not be so satisfied for I say unto you Astrologers that if Sir Christopher Heydon and Dr Gell and all the Friends Astrologie hath I say if I were before their faces all at once
it a strange thing in that we sometimes see the Astrologers foretell that which afterwards doth come to pass and when the thing is come to pass we are not then to give ever the more credit to the Astrologer nor yet to think Astrologie to be any whit the law fuller because the event falleth out to be as the Astrologer had afore predicted For if because the event falleth out to be true or shall come to passe according to the prediction I say if any shall beleeve Astrologie to be a lawfull Art from this ground viz Because those things foretold by the Astrologers many times fall out to be true and so come to pass as they predicted again I say if they have no better arguments to prove the legallity of Astrologie then this of the event answering to the prediction Here then I say to all rationall men viz Note that Magick Conjuration Witch-craft and all such abominable wicked and unclean Arts may by the aforesaid argument be proved to be as lawfull as is the Art of Judiciall Astrologie 1 Sam. 28.19 1 Sam. 31.6 As for example I will instance in the death of King Saul with his sonnes and the destruction of his great Armie for we finde that the witch at Endor having conjured up the divell for to resolve the King of his doubts the said divell being raised up by the Witches art answereth unto the King after this manner viz. 1 Sam. 28.19 To morrow shalt thou and thy Sonnes be with me the Lord shall deliver also the Host of Israel into the hand of the Philistims c. Now that this Prediction fell out to be true 1 Sam. 31.6 according to the Devils predicting of the same none can deny for saith the Scripture so Saul dyed and his three Sonnes and his Armour-bearer and all his men that same day together So then from hence you may see the aforesaid argument cannot prove the legality of the art of Astrologie any more then it can prove the lawfulness of the Witch and her art in raising up the Devil at Endor wherefore we may evidently understand from hence as followeth viz. What the greatest and strongest arguments are which the Astrologers can or are able to bring to prove the legality of Astrologie from and by I say that Magick Conjuration and Witch-craft may from and by the said argument be proved and warranted as lawful and as honest as Judicial Astrologie Exod. 22.18 Mic. 5.12 but how lawful and honest Witch-craft is I leave unto all men for to judge from these places of Scripture for it is said in Exod 22.18 Thou shalt not suffer a Witch to live again it is said by the Lord God in Mica 5.12 and I will cut off Witch-crafts out of thine hand and thou shalt have no more Sooth-sayers But to return again to my purpose I have declared a little afore that the greatest and strongest arguments that are set forth by the Astrologers for to prove the legality of Astrologie by is this viz. The event falling out to be according to the Prediction Now that this is the best The greatest argument the Astrologers have to prove the legality of their art and strongest of all the arguments which the Astrologers can bring and produce to warrant the legality of their said art of Judicial Astrologie by I say it is evidently to be seen that this is their greatest and strongest argument as it doth plainly appear by their own words and confessions written by themselves in their own Books as you shall see I will here again manifestly prove although the same is else-where by me done Sir Christopher Heydon in his defence of Astrologie fol 195. But to begin I think it is my best way to set their Champion in the first place because if any man questioneth with our Astrologers about the lawfulness of their Art they in all the haste and speed as may possible be done send him unto their Champion Sir Christopher Heydon's Defence of Astrologie where he may have a full resolution of all his questions and doubts which he hath ag inst Astrologie But now seeing we are in a Dispute about the Arguments that the Astrologers do commonly bring to prove their art of Astrology a lawful art now then seeing Sir Christopher is the chiefest of our Astrologers and unto him they send all that gainsay their art therefore let us hear what he can say for Astrology Heydon 195. Now what he saith made him believe Astrology to be a lawful art is onely because he had seen the event fall out true according to the Prediction as it doth plainly appear by his own words which are as followeth in the 195 page of his Discourse where he saith thus viz. I for my part saith he do freely confess that there is no one thing that hath made me so confident in the validity of this art as that which I have seen to fall out true Thus the great Artist of Astrology in few words hath told us what his strongest argument is whereby he can prove Astrology a lawful and a mighty powerful art now if this be a sufficient warrant to make a man confident in the validity of an art 1 Sam. 31. because he seeth the Predictions fall out true then may these Astrologers be as confident in the validity of Witchcraft as they can be of the legality of Astrology by their own argument for because the greatest and strongest argument which all of them use to plead the validity of Astrology by is this Because they see their predictions fall out true Again to this I answer as I said before That this argument doth prove Astrology no more to be a lawful art then it doth prove Witchcraft to be lawful for all that which was foretold unto Saul by Witchcraft fell out true Therefore Witchcraft is as lawful as Astrology by the best argument of the Astrologers Now that this is the best and strongest argument which the Astrologers have to warrant the legality of Astrology by this I say I will prove by their own words and confessions as I said afore and I will fetch out him first into the light unto whom they all run to hide themselves in the dark He it is whom I cited a little afore Heydon fol. 195. Sir Christopher Heydon in his Defence of Astrology saith thus viz. I for my part saith he do freely confesse that there is no one thing that hath made me so confident in the validity of this Art as that which I have 〈◊〉 fall out true Now you having here understood what Sir Christopher Heydon's great argument for Astrology is Mr. Lilly page 148. of his Intr. in the next place you shall hear what Mr. William Lillie hath declared to be his great argument for the verity or truth of Astrology his words are thus speaking of the markes moles or scars of the querent saith he I have many times admired at the