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A78115 An answer to the eight quæries propounded by the House of Commons, to the assembly called divines, sitting at Westminster, April. 22. 1646 never to this day by them answered, nor they called to an accompt by the Parliament, for their ignorance or negligence therein. Barber, Edward, d. 1674? 1648 (1648) Wing B691; ESTC R230130 12,373 14

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between the 2. brethren therefore Mat. 22 16. to 21. when the Pharices took Councel how they might intangle Christ asking him whether it was lawfull to pay tribute to Caeser or no 〈◊〉 ●aith unto them shew me the tribute money saying whose Image or superscription is this they say unto him Caesars he saith unto them render therefore unto Caesar the things that are Caesars and unto God the things that are Gods and Rom. 13.1 to 7. the Apostle injoynes obedience from the Church unto civill Magistrates or higher powers not only to Christians but as they were Magistrates though Heathens which they then were shewing that they are of God ordained of God as Mrs. of our flesh and that those that resist them resist the Ordinance of God whether Christian or Heathen such as resist shal receive to themselves damnation for Rulers are not to wit appointed of God a terrour to good works but to the evil wilt thou thē not be afraid of the power do that which is good but if thou do that which is evill be afraid for he beareth not the sword in vain for he is the Servant of God a Revenger to execute wrath upon him that doth evill wherefore ye must needes be subject not only for wrath but for Conscience sake Now what this evill is the Apostle shewes to wit not Heriticks and Schismaticks as some fondly dream and would if they could maintain though with fire and sword although indeed more to uphold their own honour Kingdom power places greatnesse and benifices then the civill Magistrates as is clearly discovered to most men already whose eyes the Lord hath in any measure opened and may easily be proved to all that are not wilfully blind for in the Conscience concerning worship the Lord only raigneth as King and Lawgiver wherefore the Apostle saith The Law is not made for a righteous man but for the Law lesse and disobedient for the ungodly and for sinners for unholy and prophane for murtherers of Fathers murtherers of Mothers for Man-slayers for Whoremongers for them that defile themselves with mankind for men-stealers for lyars for perjured persons oh that the Ministers that prest the Protestation Covenant so cagerly would take notice of this and if there be any other thing that is contrary to wholsom doctrin according to the glorious Gospel of the blessed Ged which was committed to my trust c. 1 Tim. 1.9 to the 11. Now the civill Magistrates are called fathers of our flesh to whom in all these civill things we ought to be obedient But saith the Apostle shall we not much rather be in subjection to the father of spirits and live to wit to his laws given forth by his sonne the great prophet of his Church speaking from heaven Heb. 1 1. Deut. 18.15 Act. 3.22.23 Who hath given a rule for his people to walk by as Mat. 28.20 which rule the Apostle exorts the Galathians and in them all beleivers to observe as Gal. 6.16 they thus walking having the promise of peace and mercy upon them And Phil. 3.16 he exorts the Church to walk by the same rule and to mind the same things Thus I have made appear that the Congregationall or Parishlonall Elderships appointed by Ordinance of Parliament the members thereof or any of them the supream Assemblies or Elderships viz. the Classicall Provinciall oecumenicall or Nationall are none of them Jure Devino by the will and appointment of Jesus Christ Wherin I have also proved from the word of truth that the Civill Magistrate hath nothing to do as a Magistrate to judge of any cause in the Church of Christ it being there to be judged and tried by those servants and in that order and manner that is set down in his word by the will and appointment of Iesus Christ And what was required by the Parliament of the Synod or Assembly I have in some weak measure answered from the scripture set down the severall texts in the expresse words of the same according as was desired subscribing my self your honours and the Churches Servant in the Service of the Gospell of King Jesus E. Barber Consider of it take advice and speake your minds Iudges 19.30 Certain Quaeries propounded by the Author to the Assembly called Devines 1. Whether that Doctrine of obedience to Magistrats or higher powers which the Apostles taught Rom. 13.1 Pet. 1.2 13.14.15 c were true or no. 2. Whether it was not the Apostles duty to practice that himself which he taught and commanded others to do as Rom. 2.21.22.23 3. Whether the Magistrates or those higher powers which from the disciples he required obedience unto were of their Religion or in the Gospell practice yea or no 4. If not Whether it was lawfull for those Magistrates or higher powers to persecute Paul and the rest of the Church for their Religion 5. Whether Paul and the Disciples might plot against or persecute the Magistrate or any of his subjects by compelling or forcing their Conscience or otherwise though to the true worship God under the Gospel 6. Whether Magistrates as well as Subjects be not to be subje●● to the Lawes Statutes and censures of King Jesus only who as unde● the Law so under the Gospel is no respecter of persons Dent. 10.17 Rom. 2.11 1 Pet. 1.17 7. Whether it may not be conceived The Lord is now making inquisition for the blood that hath been shed in this Land and other parts of the world of the Jewes his ancient and peculiar people 〈◊〉 Isal 51.21.22 23. where the Lord saith heare thou this thou miserable and drunken but not with wine Thus saith the Lord God even God that pleadeth the cause of his people behold I have taken out of thine hand the cup of trembling even the dreggs of the cup of my weath thou shalt drink it no more but I wil put it into their hand that afflicted thee which have said to thy soule bowdown that we may go over and thou hast laid thy body as the ground as the●● street to them that went over comp● with Th. 1.2.12 to 17. Re. 18.24 8. The punishing some as the Catholicks c. more then with death to the unhumain quartering and hanging up their quarters also the Childrē luffering for their Parents sin contrary to the expres word of the Lord Ezek. 18.4.20 that soul that sinneth it shall dye the sonne shall not bear the iniquity of the Father neither shall the Father bear the iniquity of the sonne the righteousnesse of the righteous shall be upon him and the wickednesse of the wicked shall be upon him also executing men for theft it being contrary to the Law of God 9. VVhether there ought not to be a Fast kept for all the innocent bloed that hath been shed in this Land not only of the Jews but also in Herry the 8. dayes Queen Maries and in Queen Elizabeths as Barrovvs Greenwoods Penries c. who dyed for opposing the Common Prayer c. 10. VVhether there be any Gospell rule by precept or example for compulsion of Conscience in matters of Religion taking of Oaths making of forst Covenants c. that so we being truly informed may prevent the reproof Ier. 23.10 once g ven to the Iewes the Land is full of Adulterers because of swearing the Land mourneth the pleasant places of the wildernesse are dryed up and their course is evill their force is not right Ho. 4.2 by swearing lying killing stealing and committing adultery they break out and blood toucheth blood Chapt. 10.4 They have spoken words swearing falsly in making a Covenant Thus Iudgement groweth as vvormvvood in the furrovves of the field 11. By what rule from the Gospell of Christ may Christians being Members of one Church as they professe under Christ their head kill one another or that they would distinguish what makes the one more then the other by Gospell rule or whether they ought not to excommunicate the unruly and disorderly walkers before they kill them and not let them stand Members of their Church though worthy of death and so kill them which the Church of Corinth might not though for a l●s●e sinne in which ther doings they come short of the Church of Roome FINIS
derision then shall he speak to them in his wrath and vex them in his sore displeasure yet have I set my King upon my holy hill of Zion all which their doing was but a vane thing in Davids Accompt vers the first and vers 10.11.12 he exhorts them saying be wise now therefore on ye Kings be instructed ye Judges of the earth serve the Lord with feare and rejoyce with trembling kisse the Son least he be angry ye perish from the way if his wrath be kindled yea but a little blessed are they that put their trust in him compared with Prov. 16.20 Isa 30.18 Jer. 17.7 27 7. Rom. 9.33 and 10.11 1 Pet. 2.6 For saith the Lord Isa 60.12 The Nation and Kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish yea those Nations shall be utterly wasted on that England would consider this in time least one day it be said to it as was once said by Christ to Jerusalem Luke 13.34 and 19 41. where coming nigh to the City he beheld it and wept over it saying if thou hadst known even thou at least in this thy day the things that belong to thy peace but now they are hid from thy eyes So the Lord for many years having called upon this Kingdom of England for repentance and turning unto him by amendment sollowing us with mercies and deliverances fatherly chastizing us by pestilence sword and famine but what amendment is there of any since but that in justice pride cruelty neglect of the poore Idolatry covetousnes abounds as the proph saith Is 56.11 every one for ku gaine from his quarter that love of mony the roote of all evill remaining as much as ever 1 Tim. 6.10 That therefore we would turn unto him according to promise in keeping the Protestation and Covenant in standing for a reformation according to the word of God and institutions of Christ and not covetous mens desires and inventions who in all ages have been obstructers of the true worship of God persecuters of his servants as King 1 22.22 to 28. Ier. 18.18 Come let us smite him with the tongue Ames 7.10.11 Mic. 1.1 c. 3. Ier. 26.11 to 19. Mat. 23.13 who shut up the Kingdom of Heaven against men they neither go in themselvs neither suffer them that are entring to go in but as Theedoro Beza observes from Act. 6.9 to 15. that fals teachers because they will not be overcome flee from disputations to Magistrates open slandering and false accusations that the first bloudy persecution of the Church of Christ began and sprung from a Councell of Priests by the suggestion of the University Doctors that therefore we might beware of men and according to the command of God heat ken only to the voice of Christ Mat. 17.5 that so we obeying him the great Prophet and Anointed the Lord may be gracious unto us in causing the sword to be sheathed and that he may delight to dwell among us in turning the hearts of the Fathers unto the children and the hearts of the children to the Fathers which shall be the desire and prayer of him that desires the happines here and glory hereafter of you and all that love the Lord Jesus Christ in fincerity Whereas it is Resolved by the House of Commons that all persons guilty of uotorious offences shall be suspended the Sacrament of the Lords Supper the House of Commons desires to be satissied by the Assembly of Divines in these particulars 1. WHether the Parochiall and Congregationall Elderships appointed by Ordinance of Parliament are Jure Divino by the will and appointment of Jesus Christ 2 Whether all the Members of the said Elderships are Members thereof or which of them are Jure Divino by the will and appointment of Jesus Christ 3 Whether the Supreame Assemblies or Elderships viz. the Classicall Provinciall and Nationall whether all or any of them or which of them are Jure Divino and by the will and appointment of Jesus Christ 4. Whether appeales from Congregationall Elderships to the Classicall Provinciall and Nationall Assemblies or to any of them or which of them are Iure Divino and by the will and appointment of Jesus Christ 5. Whether oecumenicall Assemblies are Iure Divino or whether there be appeales from any of the former Assemblies to the said oecumenicall Assemblies Iure Devino by the will and appointment of Jesus Christ 6. Whether by the word of God the power of judging and declaring what are such notorious and scandalous offences as aforesaid and conventing before them trying and actuall suspending from the Sacrament such offenders accordingly either in the Congregationall Elderships or Presbytery or in any other Eldership of Presbytery presented to the House as the advice of the Assembly and whether such powers are in them only or any of them or in which of them Jure Divino and by the will and appointment of Jesus Christ 7. Whether there be any certaine and particular rules expressed in the word of God to direct the said Elderships or Presbyteries or any of them in the exercise and execution of the powers aforesaid and which are those rules 8. Is there any thing contained in the word of God that the Supream Majestracy in a Christian state may not judge and determine what are the aforesaid notorious and seandalous offencet and the manner of suspention from the same And in what particulars concerning the premisses is the said Supreame Majestracy by the word of God excluded In Answer of these particulars the House of Commons desires of the Assembly of Divines their proofs from Scripture and to set down the severall texts in the expresse words of the same Ordered that every particular Minister of the Assembly of Divin● that is or shall be present at the debate of any of these questions de upon every resolution which shall be presented to this House concerning the same subscribe his respective name either with the Affirmative or Negative as he giveth his Vote those that do decent from the major Part shall set down their possitive opinions with the expresse Text of Scripture upon which their opinion is grounded For Answer to the first Quaerie the Churches of Christ were constituted and gathered out of the world by the Ministry of the Gospel according to that great Charter thereof Mat. 28.19.20 Mark 16.15.16 Lu. 24.47 And not by any Authority or Ministry of the civill Magistrate and as they were thus gathered planted in the premitive times so are they in like manner by his Servants to be gathered after the Apostacie whom by his power he shall in an extraordinarie manner raise up and by the Servants of the Churches that shall be by them sent forth to preach the everlasting Gospel for the inlightening the earth discovering the Mistery of iniquity and the Ministry of Antichrist gathering his people out of spirituall Babylon as out of Babylon of old and planting them into Church fellowship and order having their Commission