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A32902 A testimony to the fulfilling the promise of God relating to such women who through the pouring out of Gods Spirit upon them are become prophetesses, daughters, and handmaidens and their prophecying, teaching, preaching,and praying through the operation of the Spirit of Christ, in the church proved lawfully by several plain Scripture testimonies and examples, out of both the Old and New Testaments, both under the time of the Law and also in the Gospel despensation, and the common objection alleged against the same from the Apostle Pauls words in I Cor. 14, 34 and I Tim. 2, 12 &c. clearly answered : recommended to the consciences of all that value the testimony of Holy Scripture / by one who hath diligently searched the Scripture, and hath had an high esteem thereof from his youth, Thomas Camm. Camm, Thomas, 1641-1707. 1689 (1689) Wing C396A; ESTC R5431 15,913 20

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man Praying and Prophecying having his Head covered dishonoureth his Head but every Woman that Prayeth or Prophecyeth with her Head uncovered dishonoureth her Head for that is all one as if she were shaven c. Now he even Paul that gives this direction hath advised to desire after Spiritual Gifts but rather to Prophesie for Prophesie tendeth to the Edification of the Church and the Apostles travel and labour was that the Church might be edified by Prophecying in the Church So its clear he did not forbid the Female that had the Spirit of prophesie to speak in the Church to prophesie and pray in the Church nay he hath given directions how they should demean themselves when they pray and prophesie and saith he You may all speak one by one mark all that all may learn and may be edified God that hath poured out his Spirit is not to be limited in the Male nor Female these four Daughters of Philip's Paul saith did Prophesie God had poured out his Spirit upon them for that end that they might edifie the Church that it might be builded up and established in the most precious Faith of Jesus Christ such Women as were thus endued laboured in the Gospel as well as the Men as may be read in Phil. 4.3 And I entreat thee also true yoke-Fellow help those Women which Laboured with me in the Gospel with Clement also and with other my fellow-Labourers whose names are in the Book of Life Now Paul bid help the Women Labourers in and Publishers of the Gospel and not forbid them to speak nor publish the Gospel in the Church for their names were written in the Book of Life they were come to Christ by him they had Life he had poured out of his Spirit upon these Daughters and Handmaidens and they were in his name by his Power and Spirit to Prophesie to Preach and Teach in the Church to Labour with Paul and Clement in the Gospel● yea Paul was so far from forbidding that he entreats his yoke-fellow to help them yea he commands them to be Teachers of good things as may be seen in Titus 2. But speak thou the things saith Paul to Titus which become sound Doctrine that the aged Men may be Sober Grave Temperate sound in Faith in Charity in Patience The aged VVomen likewise that they be in Behaviour as becometh Holiness not false Accusers not given to much VVine Teachers mark Teachers of good things that they may Teach the young VVomen observe Teach the young Women to be Sober love their Husbands to love their Children to be Discreet Chaste keepers at Home Good Obedient to their Husbands that the VVord of God be not Blasphemed c. Here is good Women Teachers this is blessed Teaching such Teachers are not forbidden to speak in the Church such have Author●● from Christ and the Apostle Paul to be Teachers of good things amongst them with whom they Congregate and Meet for how shall they Teach them with whom they do not meet and where two or three are gathered in the Name and Fear of Christ there is he present there is his Church met together though but two or three and Females here they may yea Paul saith Let the Elder be Teachers of good things to the Younger such as are learned in the School of Christ have received the Spirit of Christ the Spirit of Truth that leads into all Truth and are led thereby acted thereby the Spirit speaking in them may instruct others teach others good things when they are gathered and congregated together yea in the Church Moreover Paul commends Phebe to the Romans as may be read in Rom. 16.1 And again makes mention of her in the Conclusion as followeth I commend saith he unto you Phebe our Sister which is a Servant of the Church which is at Cenchrea written to the Romans from Corinth and sent by Phebe Servant of the Church at Cenchrea here Paul calls Phebe our Sister and Servant that is Minister of the Church at Cenchrea for a Minister is a Servant So here all may see how Paul commends her to the Romans as a Minister of the Church and bids receive her in the Lord as becometh Saints and to assist her not one Word of forbidding her to Speak and Minister no no such as laboured with him in the Gospel was his fellow-Helpers therein his Sisters in the Lord and Companions in his Work and Ministry yea God Almighty through Christ had poured his Spirit upon them all Sons and Daughters Servants and Handmaids they are all therefore to Prophesie Pray Preach and Teach as the Spirit moves leads instructs and gives utterance all is to wait upon God to be filled with the Spirit as Paul directs the Ephesians Ephes 5.18 Be not Drunk with Wine saith he wherein is Excess but be filled with the Spirit c. And further he adviseth not to grieve the Spirit as may be read in Eph. 4.30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God by which you are sealed to the Day of Redemption neither is this Spirit to be quenched nor Prophecying dispised as may be read in 1 Thess 5.19 20. Quench not the Spirit despise not Prophecying now to forbid to speak or command silence where God hath poured out his Spirit upon Daughters and Handmaids is to grieve the Spirit to quench the Spirit to despise Prophecying which Paul adviseth the Ephesians and Thessalonians not to do but to be filled with the Spirit to desire spiritual Gifts and rather to Prophesie and gives the Reason because saith he It tends to Edification Now by what 's above written it s cleared by Scripture Testimonies that Paul did not forbid Women filled with the holy Spirit to Speak and Minister in the Church so those that use Paul's Words against such Womens Speaking or Prophecying in the Church are ignorant of the Spirit that spoke in Paul unlearned by the same knows not the meaning mystery or inward sence thereof but either takes it too Literally or else as the Apostle Peter well observes in 2 Pet. 3.16 Even saith he as our beloved Brother Paul also according to the Wisdom given unto him as also in all his Epistles Speaking in them of these things in which are some things hard to be understood which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest as they do also the other Scriptures unto their own Destruction Now it s such as are unlearned by the Spirit of Truth that leads into all Truth from which Spirit the holy Scriptures were given forth that wrests them for it s not by any other Learning that the heavenly Mystery in holy Writings of the Prophets and Prophetesses Apostles and holy Women can be understood or known it s not all the natural nor acquired Learning that may be got that can do it it s the Inspiration of the Almighty that gives this Knowledge and Understanding it s this Spirit that searcheth out all things yea the deep things of God none can rightly read or
understand the holy Book but such as are come to the holy Spirit according to measure by which holy Men were moved to give forth and write the same that 's the only Key who wants the same are the unlearned and unstable though outwardly never so profoundly Learned and it s they that wrests the Scripture as aforesaid it s such that knows not the fulfilling of that antient and blessed Promise of the Everlasting God in Pouring out of his Spirit upon Sons and Daughters Servants and Handmaidens such forbids both Sons and Daughters yea all besides themselves to Speak Preach or Prophesie in the Church they are not of Moses's mind for he wished all the Lords People Prophets and Paul saith You may all Prophesie one by one and if any thing be revealed to another that sits by let the first hold his Peace but now none must Speak but themselves neither Son nor Daughter neither Servant nor Handmaid although God hath poured his Spirit upon them and said They shall Prophesie Yet notwithstanding such as are made Ministers by Men Ministers of the Letter but ignorant of the Spirit for the love they have to the Gain of their Ministry yea for filthy Lucer sake they forbid all both Men and Women besides themselves and furthermore if any that sits by have any thing revealed and do Speak he or she have been quickly hailed out and often either Beaten Stockt or cast into Prison for three Months by a Law made formerly to guard the Priests of that time as a Disturber And thus while they talk of God and Christ Moses Paul and the holy Scriptures they are acting quite contrary like the Scribes and Pharisees of old who in Words pretended love to God Moses and the Prophets and their Writings and to be waiting for the coming of the Messiah yet when he came they knew him not received him not though Moses and the Prophets were by them read every Sabboth-day that testified of him and they no doubt thought themselves profound in the knowledge of them yet as before said they did not know him nor receive him but crucified him as the greatest of Malefactors and the reason of their Ignorance is rendred the Vail was over their Hearts they knew not the meaning of the Spirit that spoke in the Prophets that testified of the coming of the Just One none that 's ignorant of the meaning of that Spirit that spoke in and through Paul can understand his Writings but either takes them too Literally or else wrests them as beforesaid for whoever draws that Conclusion from Paul's words in the Text before cited that all Females are prohibited to Speak Teach Preach Pray or Prophesie in the Church or Gatherings of God's people do make Paul not only to contradict God Almighty and the Practice of many Godly Women before cited but also himself and his own Testimony for first God hath said They shall Prophesie Christ hath commanded Mary and the other before-mentioned holy Women to preach his Resurrection in the Church to the eleven Apostles and the rest and they did it and we read not that any of the eleven or the rest of the Church then met together did forbid them Moreover Paul himself bids help those Women that laboured in the Gospel and commends Phebe as a Servant which is a Minister of the Church at C●nchera he hath given directions also how the Women are to demean themselves when they Pray or Prophesie and saith he You may all Speak or Prophesie one by one All that have the Spirit poured forth upon them may speak as the Spirit moves and gives utterance But it may be further objected That if it be thus that they may Speak and Prophesie who have the Spirit poured forth upon them who then are they that Paul prohibits or permits not to Speak in the Church 1 Cor. 14.34 and 1 Tim. 2.11 12. where he saith first to the Corinthians Let your Women keep silence in the Church for it s not permitted unto them to speak but they are commanded to be under Obedience as saith the Law and if they will learn any thing let them ask their Husbands at home for it is a shame for a Woman to speak in the Church Now let all seriously weigh the Words of the Text for if the Words must be taken in the Literal sence the Woman is not only prohibited speaking but learning in the Church for it s said If the Woman will learn any thing let her ask her Husband at home And if so it doth not only contradict what God Almighty hath said shall be and what holy Women have practised as before clearly is demonstrated but also Paul himself in the very same Chapter vers 30 31. where he saith If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by let the first hold his Peace for you may all mark all Prophesie one by one that all may learn mark all may learn and all be comforted Furthermore by the Text Womens Teaching or Prophecying is not prohibited but to speak which speaking must by the Words before related be understood to be Questions tending to strife the disturbance of the Church wherefore it s said Let her ask her Husband at home And such Speaking or Questions tendeth not to Edification Comfort but Disturbance and Contention of which there is no custom in the Churches of Christ And further to manifest that this was Paul's sence hear what he saith to the same Corinthians in Chap. 11. Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not that you come together not for the better but for the worse for first of all when you come together in the Church I hear that there be Divisions among you and I partly believe it Now it s such speaking as tendeth to Division and Contention that 's for the worse and not for the better in the Church that 's forbidden but teaching good things Praying or Prophecying is for the better praise-worthy tends to Edification and Comfort and hath no tendance to Strife or Contention neither can any reason be rendred that such Women thus Teaching Praying or Prophecying should be refered to learn of their outward Husbands at home besides many have none Further Paul in his second Epistle to Timothy very clearly declares what manner of Speaking and the Spkeaers which are forbidden in the Church hear what he saith Of these things put them in remembrance charging them before the Lord that they strive not about Words to no profit but to the subverting of the Hearers Shun prophane and vain Bablings for they will encrease unto more Vngodliness and their Words will eat as doth a Canker but foolish and unlearned Questions avoid knowing that they gender Strife having a Form of Godliness but denying the Power thereof from such turn away for of this sort are they which creep into Houses and lead captive silly Women loaden with Sins led away with divers Lusts ever learning and never able to