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A85049	A true relation of a dispute between Francis Fullwood minister of West-Alrington in the county of Devon, and one Thomas Salt-House, as 'tis said, of the county of Westmerland: before the congregation of them, called, Quakers; with some others that accidentally heard thereof: in the house of Henry Pollexsen, Esq; in the said parish of West-Alrington. On Tuesday the 24th day of October 1656. / Published by some that were present at the dispute; out of a single and sincere desire, that error may be shames, and the truth cleared. Together with an answer to James Godfries queries, by the said F.F.	Fullwood, Francis, d. 1693.	1656 (1656)	Wing F2520; Thomason E892_12; ESTC R206561	22,146	38

manifest in them Some do know the truth that do not walk in the truth but Christ is not in those that are unto every good work reprobate and do not walk in the truth Those that know their Masters will know the truth but those that know their Masters will may not do it 2. Some may know the truth and may have Christ in them and yet not know that he is in them If Christ as you falsly conceive be in every man and some men as this querie supposeth know not Christ manifest in them then Christ is in some men that know not Christ manifest in them And yet such may know the truth and beleeve in the truth and in Christ himself and yet not know that Christ is in them or that they are in Christ the case of many doubting broken hearts The Counter Queries hence arising 1. Whether there be no truth but Christ or whether there be no truth of Christ but Christ manifest within us 2. Whether Christ crucified or Christ ascinded or Christ interceding at the Fathers right hand be not truths or whether thus Christ be not without us 3. Or whether Christ be a mediator advocate and sufferer for us within us or as manifest within us only 4. Whether is the imputed merit and righteousness of Christ a truth or not or wrought within us only and not without us 5. Whether that light which is in every man be Christ or not if it be whether is Christ manifest in every man or not and then whether can any be ignorant of the truth in whom Christ is manifest if not where is the ground of this Question speak plainly without ambiguity or double dealing The Quakers fourth Querie Is there any other Christ the same yesterday to day and for ever and are not they reprobates that this Christ is not in The plain Answer There is no other Christ but he that died for our sins according to the Scriptures the same yesterday to day and for ever and they are reprobates that this Christ is not in Yet Christ is another then what he is as manifest in us 1. He is the second Person in the Trinity and as such he is not manifest within us he is within us in his Spirit who is said in Scripture to be sent into us by the Son as well as by the Father which is the holy Ghost distinct in person to the Father and Son therefore we read of three that beare record Mat. 28. in Heaven the Father the Word and the Spirit and the Word with the Father is said to bear record in Heaven only but the Spirit both in Heaven and earth 2. Christ is man also and as such he is not manifest in us for as man he is only in one place viz. in Heaven thus he was seen on earth thus he suffered under Pontius Pilate was crucified dead and buried and rose again the third day thus he ascended up into the Heavens which are appointed to contain Act. 3. him untill the restitution of all things To say that Christ is in every man is to contradict the Scripture mentioned which saith he is not in reprobates And to say Christ is in every man and yet to acknowledge he is not in reprobates is to contradict your selves Counter-Queries arising from this fourth Query 1. Whether hath Christ any humane body out of his Church Or whether hath he a real body in Heaven or in Heaven onely 2. Is Christ any other than what he is as manifest in man Or did he suffer and die being out of all other men for our 1 Cor. 15. 1 2 3 4. sins according to the Scriptures 3. Had Christ the same body in the daies of Abraham that he had in the daies of Herod Answer plainly by the Scriptures The Quakers 5th Query How and by what couldst thou have known there had been a Christ and a Saviour and a Mediatour if the Scripture had not spoken of them Answer or let thy silence acknowledge thy ignorance or natural knowledge The plain Answer Unless the Scripture had spoken of Christ I could not have known that there had been any such Saviour but by the revelation of God Angels or men Yet neither Angels nor men could have revealed it to me unless God the Father Son and Holy Ghost had first made it known unto them So great 1 Pet. 1. a Mistery is God manifested in the flesh Thus Christ was at first revealed by God himself otherwise he had never been known which revelation being now written by holy men of God moved by the Holy Ghost is become Scripture the onely ordinary way of making known unto men this Jesus Christ without special revelation Therefore those that would now attain to the knowledge of Christ must search the Scriptures for they are they that testifie of Christ Natural light cannot discover him neither may we expect new revelation seeing the old is acknowledged to be sufficient The Counter-Queries arising from this 5th Query 1. Whether the light which is in every man is able to discover Christ the Saviour without the help of Scriptures 2. Whether Angels have not as much natural light as men And why then do they look down into the Church for the knowledge of the Mistery of Christ 3. Whether Christ Saviour and Mediatour be different persons If not why then do you speak of them 4 Seeing nothing but God by his own word could reveale this Christ Whether the Scripture which onely speaks of Christ be not the Word of God Let not your silence acknowledge your ignorance or your Answer your error in so great concernments The Quakers 6 and 7 Questions Hast thou the Spirit of Christ yea or nay Is the hope that is in thee Christ yea or nay I choose rather to leave these two Questions for Mr Pitts his own plain Answer The Counter-Queries hence arising 1. Whether those that have the true light shining in their hearts have not the Spirit of Christ And whether all have not this true light shining in their hearts And then whether all have not the Spirit of Christ And then is it not strange if Mr Pitt want it 2. Whether all that have the Spirit of Christ be not Christs 3. Whether Christ and hope be all one If so whether hope died for our sins according to the Scriptures Whether hope be in Heaven contrary to 1 Cor. 13. Or Christ be not in Heaven contrary to Act. 3. 21. The Quakers 8th Query Whether Christ and his Apostles meant as they spake Or whether they left their words for Learned men to give another interpretation of their words Yea or nay The plain Answer Christ and his Apostles mean as they spake they left not their words for Learned-men to give another interpretation of them Yet in their words there are some things hard to be understood which learned and stable men alone can give the true interpretation of seeing men unlearned and unstable wrest the Scripture

most remarkeably in the discourse Which doth even perswade us when we have thought thereupon since that though M. Fullwood had more charity for him in his discourse yet indeed he was a Papist The Lord awaken us betimes least we say peace peace when sudden destruction cometh Vale. A True Relation OF A DISPUTE between Francis Fullwood c. THe Quaker having ended his long discourse the drift whereof seemed to be onely to call the people to minde the light within them and to cry down the Ministery under the title of false prophets Mr Fullwood turned himself to Mr Pollexfen and said M. Pollexfen I acknowledg my self under your roof and therefore I shall speak nothing here without your leave M. Pollexfen replied you have liberty to speak your mind But before M. Fullwood could begin to speak he was prevented by a woman Quaker who began before him and forced the company to waite with patience till she had ended such another though shorter discourse as her brother before had delivered When she had ended M. Fullwood began to this effect Fullwood I have one word first unto this woman that spake last and that is to charge her with speaking expresly against the Scripture Sh● told us that eternall life was not to be found in the Scriptures whereas the Apostle saith expresly that the holy Scriptures are able to make wise unto salvation Woman There is one lie already Didst not thou say thou wouldst speak but one word and hast thou said but one word I call the people to witness Full. I said I had one word to say to you I can easily instance the like expression in Scripture however I hope I have A w●rd of Exh●rtation Acts 1● 15. learned of him who when he was reviled reviled not again The man Quak. Let that pass the Scripture saith the same that she did Full. Doth any Scripture affirm that we cannot finde eternall life in Scripture Quak. Yea That Scripture which she intended as I shall shew thee Full. Pray Good people observe what he undertakes to prove viz. that the Scripture saith we cannot finde etenall life in Scripture Quak. 'T is in Joh. 5. Search the Scriptures for in them ye think to have eternall life Christ doth not say that ye shall have eternall life therein but ye think c. Full. Pray observe is here any such thing as he undertook to prove doth this Scripture say we cannot finde eternall life in Scripture it saith indeed ye think ye have eternall life in Scripture but is that ye cannot finde eternall life in Scripture Quak. But the Scripture saith He that hath the Son hath life not he that hath the Scriptures Ye will not come to me that ye may have life Full. True but this Son in whom eternall life is is alone to be found in Scriptures as the next words affirm they are they which testifie of me therefore eternall life is to be found in Scripture and thus your own text overthrowes you Full. But these had the Scripture and yet they did not come to Christ that they might have life they were without life though they had the Scriptures Quak. But these Scriptures continue and reveal this Christ in whom alone is eternall life and therefore could they but have searched the Scriptures untill they had found Christ therein they would certainly have found eternall life therein Here are in the text two propositions and an exhortation grounded thereupon 1. In the Scripturess ye think ye have eternall life 2. And as if he had said ye do not think amiss for they are they which testifie of me 3. Hereupon our Saviour grounds and strengthens his exhortation Search the Scriptures Why Because ye think ye have eternall life in Scripture and they do indeed testifie of me in whom alone is this eternall life therefore eternall life viz. in Christ may be found in Scripture Woman Can the letter of Scripture alone give life Full. The Scripture is able as a means though Christ alone be able as the principall cause to make wise unto salvation Quak. 'T is the man of God wise unto salvation Full. There are two truths in the words 1. The Scriptures are able to make wise unto salvation 2. They are even able to make the man of God wise unto salvation The Company Come leave this here is an end of this Full. I shall now expect satisfaction from you speaking to the man-Quaker for I have many things to charge you with out of your own discourse But for our clearer process I desire to know first what shall be Judg betwixt us whether the Scripture or not Quak. Yea I am contented that the Scriptures as thou callest them be our Rule Full. I would ask but one thing more Quak. Nay Have I not answered thy question now thou shalt answer me one question Full. What is it Quak. Whether is that the Gospel-ministry that preacheth for hire Full. Have but a little patience and this will have its due place my other question is but in order to our clearer proceeding also Quak. Nay but I have answered thee one question already Full. One word will answer this also The Company Let him speak Full. My second demand then is this Whether the Scripture shall be our Rule in the express letter of it or whether we may draw any consequence from it Quak. I 'le have none of thy meanings or conceivings the very letter of the Scripture shall judg betwixt us Full. I am contented then that it should be so Quak. But now answer thou my question Is that a lawfull Ministry that preacheth for hire or not Full. Sir I expect that you prove from Scripture what you have delivered to us first Quak. Nay now I have answered thee two questions wilt not thou answer me one Full. Yes I will answer it it will come in its course Mr Tripe Then let M. Fullwood put one thing to you first which you delivered to us and do you answer to that and then let him answer this question Full. I am contented Quak. Thou hast a writing in thy pocket he saw M. Fullwood take Notes of his discourse give me thy writing and thou shalt be answered in writing Full. No Sir then for ought I know some Jesuit may answer it and not you I have you here now and expect that you answer for your self Quak. What thou afraid of Jesuit then Full. You shall find through Gods assistance that I am not afraid of you Woman Doest know the voice of a Jesuit when thou hearest him if not thou art a false prophet for the true Prophet knows the voice of a stranger Full. Prove that good woman Woman So I will The Scriptures say a stranger will they not follow for they know not the voice of a stranger Full. Well proved therefore they do know the voice of a stranger Woman But doest thou think that there is ere a Jesuit here Full. I am more charitable Yet more certain I

to their own destruction 2 Pet. 3. 16. The Counter-Queries arising from this 8th Query 1. Whether you have heard that any ever said That Christ and his Apostles did not speak as they meant If not then what do you mean in speaking thus perversly Or whether ever any said that they left their words for Learned men to give another interpretation thereof If not Why do you so wickedly question and mis-interpret the labours of Learned men 2. What do you mean by Learned-men Or what have you to say against true Learning that comes not from ignorance or malice The Quakers 9th Question Whether he be a Minister of Christ that is out of Christs Doctrine Yea or nay The plain Answer He that is wholly out of Christs Doctrine is not a Minister of Christ but he may be a Minister of Christ Gal. 2. 11. 12 that is partly out of Christs Doctrine as Peter was The Counter-Queries arising from this 9th Query 1. Whether Christs making satisfation for the sin of man is not the great fundamentall Doctrine of Christ both in the Law and Gospel 2. Whether he that denieth this satisfaction of Christ is not fundamentally out of Christs Doctrine 3. Whether those that hold that Christ came into the world but either to abolish the Ceremonies or but to be an example of an holy life doth not deny this satisfaction of Christ 4. Then whether he be a Minister of Christ that affirmeth that Christ came into the world for no other end but to abolish the Ceremonies a As the Quaker to Mr Timpson did or to be an example of an holy life b As Fox insinuates The Quakers 10th Question Whether is he in the Doctrine of Christ that stands in the chiefest place of the Assemblies Yea or nay The plain Answer Some may be in the Doctrine of Christ that stand in the chiefest place of the Assemblies as well as they in the Doctrine of God that sate in Moses Chair The Counter-Queries arising from this 10th Query 1. What do you mean by being in Christs Doctrine Whether by holding it or by obeying it 2. May not he that stands in the chiefest place in the Assemblies both maintain and obey the Doctrine of Christ and consequently be a Minister of Christ 3. Whether may not he be a Minister of Christ that walks not in all respects according to the Doctrine of Christ as well as he a Minister of Moses or rather of God that sate in Moses Chair and spake the Word of God though he said and did not 4. Whether do you call the Pulpit the chiefest place If so Whether because it is the highest place If so Whether he that stands upon a forme or in a window above the rest of the people stand not in the chiefest place in the Assembly And whether such a one can be a Minister of Christ Or no The Quakers 11th Query Whether is he a Minister of Christ that sprinkles Infants yea or nay and cals it an Ordinance of Christ when there is no such Scripture The plain Answer The Baptizing of Infants is according to Scripture wherein Circumcision a Seal belonging to Infants born in the Church is taken away and no other Seal is brought in the room thereof for Infants now born in the Church but Baptisme The Scripture tels us plainly that Baptisme is the Christian Circumcision or the Circumcision of Christ Col. 2. 11 12. With the Circumcision of Christ being buried with him in Baptisme The right of Infants to the first Seal was never abolished though the Seal indeed was changed Circumcision Jewish into Circumcision Christian viz. Baptisme Circumcision being a Sign and Seal of the righteousness of Rom. 4 11. Faith and Baptisme being no more and Infants being capable of Circumcision they are also as capable of Baptisme Childrens state in the Covenant was never repealed their interest in the Promise is still continued Christs love to Infants and desire of Communion with them is abundantly testified in the New Testament Therefore the Seal of the Covenant and Promise the pledg of Christs favour and the onely mean of their Communion with him viz. Baptisme is not to be denied them The Scripture certifieth that Baptisme is an Ordinance of Christ therein Christ commands it to all Nations therein Christ never limited it to grown persons or denied it to Infants and they having a right before to that Ordinance whose room Baptisme supplies they need no new Commission to take possession of that which is brought in the room of that which before they had an undoubted right unto The Counter-Queries arising from this 11th Query 1. Whether such as despise the regeneration of water can Joh. 5. 5. enter into the Kingdom of God 2. Whether those are Christians that refuse Water-Baptisme 3. Whether he be a Minister of Christ that denieth Water-Baptisme 4. Whether Water-Baptisme be an Ordinance of Christ 5. Whether the application of it to Infants doth make it no Ordinance of Christ 6. Whether there were none Baptized with water mentioned in Scripture after Christs ascension 7. Whether that be not the trick of a deceiver to cry out against sprinkling Infants when as he alloweth no water-Baptism at all The Quakers Subscription Without thy meaning and private interpretations answer these queries by plain Scripture or let thy mouth be stop'd for ever The Question hereupon is Whether by his own Law and reason the mouth of this James Godfrey should not have been stopp'd before he made these doting Questions seeing they are not to be found in any plain Scripture without his meanings and private interpretations Post-script containing an addition of the Quakers 12 and 13 Queries viz. 12. Where is that light that John spake of the one he loved it and brought his deeds to the light the other hated the light and will not bring his deeds to the light because his deeds are evil 13. Whether is that light a blind fansie that manifests sin and evil deeds or whether is not he a deluder and a blasphemer that calls it a blind fansie The plain Answer 1. The light which John spake of is in the Gospel and the Gospel-Ministry which you hate 2. That light which manifests sin is not a blind fansie But he that saith that every light which manifests sin is a saving light or that that light which is in every man is sufficient to discover and lead men to Christ is under the darkness of his own fansie having so far left the true light the word of God James Godfrey Speak forth the words of truth and soberness Lean not unto thine own understanding Be not wise above what is written Be not wise in thine own conceit rightly applying that of 1 Cor. 8. 2. the Apostle He that thinketh he knoweth any thing knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know F. F. FINIS