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A25208 A faithful rebuke to a false report lately dispersed in a letter to a friend in the country Concerning certain differences in doctrinals, between some dissenting ministers in London. Alsop, Vincent, 1629 or 30-1703. 1697 (1697) Wing A2910; ESTC R215794 39,818 63

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Meaning against its Will The Purer Primitive Times were wisely concerned for the preserving the Truth that they decreed in the Sixth General Council that it should not be lawful to introduce 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 any unusual way of speaking 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 any new invented Terms upon great Penalties and a modest regard to this Canon had prevented a world of Miscief and all this Blunder and Confusion which 〈◊〉 arbitrary Terms have produced among 〈◊〉 § 6. I will shut up this Head of Discourse with this modest Proposal Let this Matter be thus worded That Christ in his suffering and dying was considered by God and placed himself in the place and stead of all the Elect so that he made Satisfaction to the Divine Iustice for all their Sins the Benefits and Advantages whereof every individual Person shall partake of in that Order and Method and upon those Terms which the Wise and Holy God has prescribed in the Gospel Which Proposition you and I and all sober Persons in the City and Country would readily subscribe and leave these Gentlemen who it seems are at leisure to invent new Controversies to their own imperious Humours II. The Reporter has miserably imposed upon you in Matter of Fact nor has he shewn that due Regard to Truth which he and all of us owe to so great a Soveraign A few Instances I will give you that you may be convinced how little Reason you have to take him or his Narrative upon their bare Words 1. One Specimen of his Honesty you shall meet with at the Entrance of his Paper and its ominous to stumble at the Threshold lest he should break the Neck of his whole Discourse And thus in a pompous Stile he breaks into the Business After sundry Attempts made by the industrious Pacificators an Instrument was pitcht upon which gave Satisfaction to the most Learned of both Parties This Paper was sent by Six or Seven of the biggest Name among them who do or at least have gone under the Denomination of Presbyterians unto some Congregational Brethren and gladly embraced by them Now Sir do you not judge that this Instrument which gave such Satisfaction to and was so gladly imbraced by the Congregational Men had redintegrated the violated Union had reclaimed them who had deserted their former Station that all Distances were wholly removed and Jealousies and Suspicions of Socinianism on the one side and Antinomianism on the other were cured and that a Coalition between the Two Parties had hereupon ensued that they were all now got together again at Little St. Hellens I assure you Sir not one Word of this was true and that you shall truly learn from these Particulars 1. Whereas he affirms This gave Satisfaction to the most Learned of each Party what does he then think of Mr. Tho. Cole and Mr. Nath. Mather are not these to be reckon'd in the Number of the most Learned of that Party These great Persons will hardly return him Thanks for expunging them the Catalogue unless they judge him no competent Judge of their Learning 2. Whereas he tells us that it gave Satisfaction to the most Learned of each Party it appears it gave no Satisfaction at all For they of the Congregational Interest never intended to receive such Satisfaction as to return to a Re-union and this was openly avowed by one of that Number who was not of the least Name nor made the smallest Figure amongst them That they never designed to enter into an Union with the Presbyterians and of this I can produce incontestible Proof this Rational Jealousy was the Reason why Mr. G. Hammond refused his Hand to that Paper yet declaring if the Reporter says true he would gladly have done it if it might be a mean to restore Union which he had just Grounds to believe it never would and therefore refused The Truth is it was known from first to last through the whole Transaction of that Affair that this Expedient would never Retrieve the Union only if they could get any Advantage by it to put a Slur upon Mr. D. Williams this they would gladly embrace and then let the Union shift for it self 3. But will you see with your own Eyes how these Gentlemen were satisfied and how gladly they embraced the first Paper Thus it was After all the Pains taken after much Attendance great Courting of and Waiting upon them they obtained this Little this No●hing or Nothing to the Purpose of Re-union They are glad to find so good an Agreement amongst us as this Paper doth express No doubt a little is better than nothing and so much Agreement as this comes to is better than going to Logerheads But are there any Expressions that intimate they are satisfied upon the Terms of this Paper to unite do they express any embracing of Communion with one another 2. I come now to a Second Instance of the Reporters regard to Truth where you will easily observe how by a wretched Synecdoche he has given you a part for the whole of a just Narrative This is called the Politicks of the Pismire which nibbles off the Grain at both Ends that it may never grow but come to nothing Or rather this Report is framed according to the Law of a Good Heroick Poem which our Criticks tell us must always commence at the middle of the Story This is the Method of our Reporter who enters upon his Report about the Middle of his Matter and therefore expect a pure Poetical Fiction He begins with the Mention of Pacification I think he should have informed his Country Friend That there was once an Union that this Union was broken and then who they were that made the Breach and upon what Grounds and how the Breach was pieced up again and then how it was without any visible Reason broken again and then he might seasonably have enter'd upon the Story of his so celebrated Attempts for Pacification Now Sir to supply the Deficiency of his Story I 'll give you a full and faithful Account of the whole wherein I shall inform you of nothing but what you know already § 1. In the Year 1691. After many Meetings of Ministers of both Persuasions after frequent Applications to the Throne of Grace certain Heads of Agrement were drawn up and assented to by about Eighty Ministers in and about the City of London and by some others in a little time This Agreement was solemnly transacted and seriously concluded with this Protestation As we Assent to the forementioned Heads of Agreement so we Unanimously Resolve as the Lord shall enable us to Practise according to them Amongst those Heads assented to the Eighth contains the Test and Standard of Orthodoxy and speaks thus As to what appertains to Soundness of Iudgment in Matters of Faith we esteem it sufficient that a Church acknowledge the Scriptures to be the Word of God the Perfect and only Rule of Faith and Practice and own either the Doctrinal Part
Doctrine of Justification upon its ●roper Basis namely Divine Revelation upon which bot●om God himself had establisht it and then it stands unmoveable and the Gates the Power and Policy of Hell ●all not prevail against it Now hearken to the Report of ●is Canon a great Report without Ball. It 's impossible to establish the Doctrine of Iustification on its ●ue and proper Basis any otherwise than by clearing the point of Commutation of Persons Impossible what a huge Opinion have these Men of ●he vast extent of their Intellectuals They can admea●ure it to a Hairs Breadth just where the possible ends and where the impossible begins It had been more modest to have qualified the Word with for ought I know or 〈◊〉 apprehend but if that great Doctrine cannot possib●● be establish'd upon its Basis without clearing the Poi●● of Commutation of Persons why do they not why hav● they not long since cleared it Dr. Crisp has cleared i● and to say Truth though he be erroneous yet he spea● clearly we see his Sense but these Gentlemen spea● dubiously darkly at best but in the Twilight an● whether there be a sound Sense under those obscur● Phrases we know not nor perhaps they neither This Doctrine had need be well setled and in ord●● thereto the Basis of it well cleared for I have ever t●ken it to be Articulus stantis out cadentis ecclesiae If th● Article fails the Church fails and falls with it and 〈◊〉 were better the whole World should fall than either Give me leave to offer a few things to his high Con●●dence 1. He that will build a Castle in the Air must b● content with a Foundation of Air to support it and 〈◊〉 that will form an Imaginary Notion of Justification mu●● provide a Basis in his own Imagination for it to rest u● on If indeed Justification admits no Faith as Dr. Cri●● has contrived it then we must admit his Pedestal to se ●e it upon To reckon our selves in Christ's Person an● Christ in ours which is his Commutation of Persons but 〈◊〉 the Holy Ghost unites the Soul to Christ by Faith i● no such impossible thing to conceive how both our Si●● may be imputed to Christ and his Righteousness to th● be lieving Sinner 2. This great Doctrine of Justification is already se●●led upon Divine Revelation there it has stood from th● Beginning there it shall stand to the end of Time an● Things and needs not the presumptuous Fancies 〈◊〉 towring Wits to place it on a more from Bottom Bu● are we not brought to a sine pass we must trust Go● no farther than we can see him believe no more tha● we can understand a Reason for that is we must whee● about to the main Principle of the Socinians to admit no more into our Creed than we can comprehend He that will settle the great revealed Doctrines of Religion on a humane Foundation overthrows it The Scripture has sufficiently revealed the Doctrine of Justification to be through Christ's Righteousness accepted of God received by Faith and for this Commutation of Persons in their Sense it knows nothing of it Let not therefore this Gentleman be so over-officious ●o erect a Basis for Justification of his own Head or of wiser Heads than his the Holy Spirit has done that already left putting forth his daring Hand to stay the Ark which he dreams begins to totter he should meet with the fate of presumptuous Uzzah 3. I would ask this modest Question Where has this Doctrine of Justification been setled all this while since the Reformation since the purest Primo-Primitive Times What! has it hung like Mahomet's Tomb in ●he Air or floated like the Ark upon the Water No! It has stood firm and unmoveable upon Scriptural Foun●ations against all the Assaults of Papists Socinians Ar●inians and Antinomians It has stood visible in the Ar●icles of the Church of England in the Confessions of the Assembly at Westminster in that of the Savoy in the Ca●echisms shorter and larger and yet this uncouth Phrase never yet heard of It is strange to me that Councils General and Provincial Synods Assemblies of Holy Learned Men should so often so strenuously assert and confirm by the Word of God this great Truth and yet never once dream of Dr. Crisp's Commutation of Persons ●pon which to superstruct the Doctrine of Justification Nay I would intreat these Gentlemen to look at home ●nd inquire whether any particular Congregation of ●hat denomination soever did ever insert any of these Terms amongst their Credenda even that to which he ●ay belong or over which he may preside and yet I will presume they have the Doctrine of Justification Orthodoxly propounded judiciously explained and solidly confirmed without these Innovations and strange Term of Commutation of Persons Christ's taking on him the Person of Sinners or dying in the Person of Sinners 4. This Phrase the Change of the Person of Christ may have and truly has an honest and sound Sense in which it may be of some good use to explain the Doctrines of Satisfaction and Justification and it is that which the Right Reverend the Bishop of Worcester with Grotius against Crellius do put upon it Reason of Christ's Suffer Edit 1. p. 144. viz. the Substitution of one Person in the room of another and pag. 143. A proper Redemption may be obtained by the Punishment of one in the Room of another which is neither more nor less than that Christ suffered and died in our room and stead And this is it which the former and latter Papers which Mr. Williams and all others do freely own and that which is denied is only such a Sense of the Phrase as his Antagonist asserts 〈◊〉 therefore Christ's dying by way of Change or Exchange be all they would have 't is no more than what is granted in that other Expression he died in our place and stead but if they must have a further Sense we are afraid o● Nonsense if they must have a higher Reach we are afraid of an Over-reach and therefore let them tell us how much larger a Sense they have some secret Services for and when we know it will be told them whether we judge it Orthodox or otherwise 4. Casting my Eye upon the Manuscript I meet with a small Cavil against Commutation of Persons as i● stands either in the Third Paper or in Mr. Williams and if it be indifferent to him whether of them be misrepresented or reproached it shall be as indifferent to me if either of them be set right or vindicated Now the Words he cavils at as he quotes them run thus It is apparent that Commutation of Persons is to be understoo● in a legal or judicial Sense as we may call it He by Agreement between the Father and him came into our room and stead to answer for our Violation of the Law of Works At which he cavils thus As we may call it not that it is really so in a
here beg your most critical Attention 1. We are Sin and under a Curse can you with a● your Penetration divine the Reason why it 's said w● are Sin That we are Sinners by Nature that we are sinful is an acknowledged Truth but how are we Sin we are altogether delighted with Sin we are under th● Condemnation of the Law for Sin but that is no other than to be under the Curse why must it be phrase● thus we are Sin It was Poetically and Satyrically said That Alexander the Sixth was Non tam vitiosus quam vi●tium non tam scelest us quam scelus but we need to be taught how man was Sin Sin it self 2. You shall now see the Mystery of his Phraseology it was to mis-lead you into that Abomination tha● Christ was Sinful that he was a Sinner for if Christ was Sin in the same Acceptation that we are then he was sinful he was a Sinner and the greatest Sinner tha● ever was in the World That Christ was made Sin Sacrifice for Sin that he bore the Curse due to Sin is so express the Language of Scripture that he that denies th● former must disbelieve the latter but what needed he say that we were Sin and then that Christ was made Sin unless he would insinuate that Christ was Sin in ●he same Sense that we were Sin that is sinful but this is the Fruit of going to Cambridge to learn to Quibble 5. Will you observe with me the last Words of his ●cheme and Substance of the Gospel of Christ By his blessed Change Christ is made Sin and Curse and we delivered from Sin and Curse Ipso facto no doubt But I humbly conceive without the usual Complement ●f submitting to better Judgments That whatever Christ suffered however he was made Sin and Curse yet here 's an Order setled by the Divine Will in which ●e Application of the Sufferings of Christ and Satis●ction given thereon shall be made and that whoeer expects to partake of the Benefits thereof ●aust by ●race Believe Repent and Accept of Christ as God as offered him in the Gospel and that the Elect are ●ot justified from that Moment wherein Christ suffered ●nd gave Satisfaction to Justice for their Sins This ●ght to have been more clearly worded before it had ●een proposed to or imposed upon our Faith as the substance of the Gospel of Christ. 6. You would be satisfied and so would I why ●is Gentleman could not be contented to give us the Doctrine of Redemption and Satisfaction as they are ●ady drawn up to our Hands in the Confession of Faith ● the Church of England as in that of the Assembly at Westminster or in that of the Savoy but that we must ●ve a super●oe●ation of Articles new Schemes of Reli●on every New-Year spawning of Creeds and equip●ng of Confessions every Campaign when the Thing ●s been done so of●en already and much better for ●e that cannot allow him to be a faithful Reporter in ●atter of Fact can much less trust him to pen for us ●atter of Faith that he took on him the Person of Sinners you must understand that he now refers to a certain Paper drawn up by some private Ministers whereof you will hear more in due time Now their Words run thus We conceive that the Doctrine of Iustification and of Christ's Satisfaction on which it depends cannot be duly explained and defended consistently with the denial of any Commutation of Persons between Christ and Believers So then according to this Paper there must be some Commutation of Persons between Christ and Believers But 1. He has foisted in those Words taking on him the Person of Sinners 2. That the Commutation those Brethren speak of is between Christ and Believers and therefore I am convinced that this Reporter will never be trusted in his Arguings or repeating of other Mens Words § 3. And to what end does he thus needlesly multiply Terms of Art without any apparent necessity that the Controversy has of ' em All that the Case of Sinners required for Satisfaction to Divine Justice was a Substistute or Sacrifice to be offered for our Sins for the Substitute to take on him the Punishment due to them but to take upon him the Person of Sinners as the Phrase is new and uncouth so it 's to me unintelligible till they who have invented it shall interpret it and if ever they should be so ill advised as to give it a fixed Sense they must either make it signify no more than that Christ died in our stead or else enlarge it to such a Breadth as will admit all the Extravagancies of Antinomianism § 4. For I will make a fair Motion or propound a modest Question This Phrase of Christ's taking upon him the Person of Sinners Does it signify more or less than Christ's taking on him our Sins and suffering for them in our Place and Stead or does it signify neither more nor less but is just adaequate and commensurate to and with it If it signifies less then it limits and narrows the End of Christ's Sufferings and will be a Sense only serving the turn of a Socinian If it signifies more than that then it comes of evil and leads to evil even to the Dreggs of Antinomianism but if it signifies neither more nor less than Christ's standing and suffering in our Place and Stead when he offer'd himself to God then I embrace it subscribe it with my whole Soul But then what need is there to pester and vex the Christian Faith with a Word which signifies neither more nor less than that old Term which has obtain'd so long in the World that we cannot be deceived in it whereas this new Phrase Christ suffered in or took upon him the Person of Sinners is a Phrase to puzzle and confound Mens Understandings § 5. I think therefore we ought in the first place to inquire what they mean by the Person of Sinners and then to inquire about Christ's taking it up Does it import that all Sinners are united and are to be supposed conceived considered as one Person and so Christ died suffered satisfied for that one Person very good then I perceive we are tackt about to the Tents of the Arminians and do suppose that Christ died for all equally for if all Sinners be one or to be reputed as one Person and Christ took upon him that one Person it will be difficult for all their divi●ing and prescinding Skill to make it out how he died for one and not for another seeing all these Sinners as in Christ's Eye are but one single Person Now I do not once conceive that this is their Sense for they are too far gone the other way but by this way of expressing my self I would provoke and tempt 'em to fix a tolerable meaning upon the Phrase though it were more reasonable that they should choose a sound Phrase for a sound Meaning than torture an incorrigible Phrase into an honest