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A59956 The universality of the light which shines in darkness asserted, and the notions & opinions of Jeremiah Ives (divulged the 24th of the 2d moneth, 1674, in the market place at Crayden in the county of Surrey) detected &c. written and published ... by William Shewen. Shewen, William, 1631?-1695.; Stubbs, John, 1618?-1674. 1674 (1674) Wing S3426; ESTC R21692 18,539 30

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reproved yet the Light cometh to such and follows such and finds them out as it did Adam in the beginning And none can be said to hate that which they have not nor never had no Sense nor Knowledge of nor be justly reprehended for not loving it and not coming to it and not bringing their Deeds to it if they have not Ability or are not in a Capacity so to do Therefore thy comparing Natural things with Spiritual will not hold true every way nor thy Conclusions therefrom Some indeed are said to stop their Ears and to close their Eyes and to stumble and grope like blind men for the Wall yet God is not the Author of this neither did he make Mankind in this Estate but this is come upon him through his own Transgression and Disobedience to the Law which is Light which was before Books or an outward Law was written which while he obeyed and walked in he enjoyed the Presence of God who gave it and lived in the Light of his Countenance but when he transgressed he dyed as to that Enjoyment though be lieved and remained in the Body as a man and here began Mankind to hate the Light and to walk in Darkness and to endeavour to hide himself for Fear and to cover his own Nakedness with the Works of his own Pands Now was laid the Foundation of all Self-Will Self Works Self Righteousness Self-knowledge and Imagination from this Foundation Christ the Lamb of God was slain he that reads let him understand And Mankind in this Estate is accounted Dead ●eaf Blind and Naked because that Life Eye Ear and Covering be hath is of his own ordering and making and he is truly Dead whill be thinks he Lives ●eaf and Blind while he thinks he Hears and Sees and Naked n●twithstanding his Invented Artificial Coverings And Darkness he may truly be called notwithstanding there is a Light that shineth in him in this Dead Dark and Blind Estate wherewith also he is lighted in some sheastre and by it may see his lost Estate And Mankind in Transgression may hear the Voice of God now as Adam did in the beginning but how men do hear the Voice of God while Shiners and how they are afraid of his Appearance or Presence and how Light shines in Darkness though Darkness comprehends it not and how men are lighted with a saving Light of Christ and yet walk in Darkness and are not saved by it and how the Word is as Milk and Honey and Bread to ome and as a Hammer Fire and Sword to others is a Mystery to the carnal Mind though plain to the Children of Light and evidently declared in the Holy Scriptures For the same Light which is the Condemnation of the World whom it lighteth which it hates and believes not in is the Salvation of those that believe leve and walk in it Now that which leads men to do the Will of Christ gives them the Knowledge of his Doctrine and reveals his Secrets to them but the Wi●e and Prudent in the selfish ●ensual Widem which believes not in the Light of Christ wherewith every man is lighted remains ignorant thereof Opinion I will stick by the present Translation of the New Testament which was effected by Twenty or Thirty Learned Wise Men by the King's Authority and if I understood Greek never so well it would be unmannerly to contradict them Answ Surely if thou hadst been so mannerly and so full of Reverence and Respect to Learned Wise Men who were countenanced with the National Authority when thou first tookest up thy Religion or turned Baptist and thereby contradicted the Opinions and Meanings of more then Twenty or Thirty Wise Learned Men who in their Wisdoms had setled Church-Government and Doctrine as they thought according to the Scriptures thou wouldst never have adventured to question their Work though thou knewest better things I judge thou hadst more sincerity Zeal and Knowledge then and less of this kind of Mannerliness when thou didst judge they erred in their Meanings put upon the Scriptures translated though they were reputed Learned and Wise And why may not the Translators commit an Error also and be short in giving every Word its sull Signification according to the Mind of the Spirit from whence it came though the King's Authority be with them Doth the Knowledge of Naturel Tongues make men Insallible May not a Peter and John who know not a Letter know the Mind of the Spirit in the Scriptures or understand them better then the Scribes Pharisees and Hypoerites Indeed Jeremiah I must tell thee This Mannerliness would have kept thee out of thy Religion and will now if thou follow it lead thee to out-live it or to differ nothing from those thou comest out from but in Name and Profession only Opinion The Light that is come into the World was designed of God to enlighten every man but Thousands are not enlightened by it Answ It s something that thou grantest so much Truth viz. That God designed all men a Benefit by the Light though Thousands receive it not 'T is true the Love of God is Universal and his Call is to all men every where to Repent and his Gospel which Paul was a Minister of Coll. 1.23 was and is preached in every Creature under Heaven his Sun shines and his Rain falls upon the Just and Unjust But many though they hear his Call Repent not and though the Gospel be sounded in their Ear obey it not and the Wicked may become like a Parched Heath that knows not when Good comes though the Dew of Heaven descend upon it and the Seed of the Kingdom be sown in it yet it grows not to Perfection The Seed is sown in Bad Ground as well as in Good and Christ is as truly the Light of the World as he is the Light of the Saints who are chosen out of the World the Difference is in its Operation it reproves and condemns the World because its Deeds are Evil and it justifies and consolates the Saints who believe in it and walk in it c. Now how it can be said that every man is lighted or enlightened with the Light of Christ notwithstanding they remain Darkness seems a Riddle and Paradox to the Learned and Unlearned Professors and Prophane And if that Scripture which saith The Light shined in the Darkness and the Darkness comprchended it not cannot be understood I cannot speak plainer to this Spirit that stumbles at the Light For if Light shineth in a People who were and are Darkness how can it be said that that People are not enlightened by it though they love the Darkness rather and so chuse Death and Darkness and refuse Life and Light And how can it be said That Mankind makes a Choice except he hath some Knowledge of both So which he joyneth to and walketh in that he becomes a Child of whether of Darkness or Light And the Condemnation of those who hate the Light and
love the Darkness will be just and God and Christ will be clear in the Day of his Judgment Opinion George Whitehead and William Gibson are not enlightened with the Light of Christ though I grant that there is a Light in every man which is Divine yet not the Light of Christ Aas If J. Ives did believe in the Light were obedient to the Light of Christ wherewith he himself is lighted he would be of another Mind but this sore Evil is very nigh him to conclud● as the Jews did of Christ in another Case If this Man were of God he would keep the Sabbath Joh. 9.16 So it seems to be in this Mans Mind to conclude that these Men are not enlightned with the Light of Christ because they are not Baptist● as he is and are not one with his Profession and Fellowship for it is the Nature and Property of every Sect to mea●ure and judge all by their own narrow Spirits and Notions the Righteous met with this Mea ure and Judgment in all Ages from Ab●l to Zacharias and from Zacharias to John the Divine and down to this Age. M●ltitude of Examples might be produced and a Cloud of Witnesses found throughout the holy Scriptures to witness to this Thing But G. W. and W. G. are not only men come into the World and therefore lighted with the Light of Christ according to the Testimony of John the greatest Prophet that was born of a Woman but also are Men chosen out of the World to bear Witness to the true Light and have turned the Minds of many from Darkness to the true Light in which they walk and dwell and are Children of Therefore thy Opinion or Conceit is judged to be the Off-spring of that Darkness in which thou dwellest notwithstanding thou talkst of Light and supposest thy self to be a Child of it but see whether the Spirit of God or the Manifestation of it in thee bears Witne's to thy Spirit that thou art indeed what thou thinkest and professest thy self to be This Counsel if by thee taken can do thee no Harm As to the latter part of this Notion I have spoken to it already Opinion I d●ny that the Light of God is one with the Light of Christ the Father and Son are Relatives but not one the Light of the Father Son and Spirit are Divine but not one If thou hadst the Mind of Christ as the primitive Christians had thou wouldst not speak after this manner Christ's Testimony was John 14.9 10 11. That he and his Father were one And what signifies thy Denyal And that the Father was in him and he in the Father And John's witnesseth John 1. That the World was made by him and without him was nothing made that was made And he was in the Beginning with the Father from Everlasting glorified with the Father before the World began manifested in the fulness of time in a prepared Body but was before it and seen and prophesied of by the Evangelical Prophet Isaiah to be the Wonderful Counsellor the Mighty God the Everlasting Father the Prince of Peace the Emanuel God with us In these Scriptures their Names are one their Work one their Nature one then how comes their Light to be two and yet both Di●ine And they are such Relatives as differ more in Manifestation and Despensation then in Light Life Nature and Being but these things are too high for thee for what thou knowest of them is Natural and Traditional and hadst thou Acquaintance with a Measure of the same Spirit of Prophecy which was in Is●iah thou wouldst be ashamed of thy nice and carnal Distinctions yet the least in the Kingdom is greater then he Opinion That which is Divine in God becomes Natural when given to men Answ I know not but thou mayst be called the Father of this Whin sey or Vain Conceit Whisher will the Deceitfulness of thy foolish Heart carry thee 'T is strong Delusion indeed to believe Lyes so contrary to Scripture and Right Reason Where didst thou learn that the Gifts of God which are Perfect Divine and Spiritual become Natural when given to Men I suppose by men thou meanst not all men but wicked men and not the righteous that would be gross and absurd indeed so I am willing to take thy Notion by the best End But what Scripture is thy Rule for this Did the Talent the Sloathful Man had given him change its Nature and Property by being ty'd up and hid in the Earth Did his Good Spirit which he gave to those that rebell'd against it become Natural Doth the Light which is the Gift of God and Spiritual which shineth in Darkness become Natural or Darkness in it self or alter its Nature and Property Doth the Spirit of Truth which Christ sends to Comfort his Disciples and to convince and reprove the World for Sin change its Nature from being the Spirit of Truth because sent and given into the World Surely thou mayst see it a vain Imagination of thy own Head that neither the Scriptures thy pretended Rule nor thy own Experience can justifie For that holy Manifestation of the Spirit in thee which searcheth thy Heart and tryeth thy Reins and consenteth not to thy vain Thoughts idle Words and sinful Actions is the Gift of God to thee and is perfect pure divine and spiritual and hath kept its Nature pure and uncorrupt and will remain so as a Witness for God against thee if thou joyn not to it and become one with it and so be born of it This is the Word of Truth to thee whether thou wilt receive it or no. Opinion Some in the World are without Christ therefore some in the World are without the Light of Christ Answ This is answered already in what goes before yet a few words more Christ is said to stand at the Door of mens Hearts and Knock Is not the Door of men's Hearts within them And if he stands there he is not far off them yet they not opening to him are said and that truly to be without him and in the World and they do not know that Christ is in them therefore they are Reprobates Yet in this state of being without Christ in the World in Darkness and Reprobation the true Light shineth as hath been already signified at large and the Darkness is so far enlightened by it as that the Worker of Iniquity cannot hide himself And though some are without God in the World yet God is not so far without them but that he searcheth their Hearts and tryeth their Reins and sheweth unto man his Thoughts and God Christ is in the World but this is the Misery of the World that it knows him not Blessed are those that believe in the Light which revealeth him and leads to the Knowledge of him in whom are hid all the Treasures of Wisdom and Knowledge to whom be Glory forever Amen W. S. Forasmuch as J. Ives and some others judge we put more Weight and strain that Saying in the first of John vers the 9th beyond what it is able to bear this following is added OUr Proof of what we affirm in matter of Doctrine is not from the Etymology of Words nor barely from the Testimony of the Holy Men recorded in the holy Scriptures though they bear witness thereto And our Doctrine Practices and whole Conversation as we walk in that Light Grace and Spirit of God from whence holy Men wrote them is born witness unto by them and therein we have Unity with the Holy Scriptures and receive the Comfort of them they being written for our Learning who have believed in and received the Gift of God of whom they testifie And others who receive not this Gift of God though they may read and profess the Scriptures and cry them up in words c. yet have they not Unity with them nor with the Spirits of those Just Men that wrote them neither do receive the Comfort of them nor are learned and made wise unto Salvation by them This is a Word of Truth that may and doth concern all Sects in Christen dom to confider And that we do not over-strain the Words of John's Testimony in the first Chapter and 9th Verse when we say write print and preach Lighten Enlighten Enlighteneth or Giveth Light to every man coming into the World I have here set before thee how that Verse is read in divers Natural Tongues or Languages The Latin Version to the Syriack hath it thus the Syriack word is Manhar Erat enim is lux veritatis quae illuminat omnem hominem venientem in mundum The English For even he was the Light of Truth which enlighteneth every man that cometh into the World The Latin Version to the Porsiack thus Lux vera venit unicuique qui in mu● do est lumen praebeat Thus in English The true Light is come to give Light to every one that is in the World Elias Huter in his Novum Testamentum Harmonicum useth the word Illuminat Enlighteneth And in Hs Doctionary the Greek word is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Photizein to give Light or lighten The Hebrew word is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Haer to give Light or lighten The High Dutch Leuchten to gave Light or lighten 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Heir to Enlighten 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Epiphainein to Enlighten Illuminare to Enlighten High-Dutch Erleuchten to Enlighten In the Arabick thus Neque vero erat ipse lux sedut testaretur lumini qued erat lumen verum quod ●lluminat 〈…〉 The word is Pasijo illuminat enlighteneth or doth enlighten or giveth Light In English thus Neither was he himself the Light but that he might witness to the Light which was the true Light which enlighteneth every man The Ethiopick has it thus the word is Zajabarh Et is est lux justitiae quae illuminat om●●m hominem veniontem in mundum In English And he is the Light of Righteousness which enlighteneth or doth ●●lighten every man that cometh into the World Multitudus of Examples might be produceed out of other Translations but sufficient being extant already by another Pen I forbear to enlarge I have ravelled in Europe Africa and Amcrica and never met with any Priest or other except one called a Baptist in Rhed-Island in New-England that made any Cavil or Contention about using the word enlighten or enlighteneth or giveth Light c. instead of lighteth J. S. THE END