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A30534 A message proclaimed. By divine authority from the chosen assembly of the redeemed people in England, to the Pope (chief bishop) of Rome, and to his cardinals, Jesuits, and priests, and all other the officers of the Romish Church, where it shall meet with them through the world: that they may appear, and come forth to triall, and shew if they have the same faith, power, spirit, and authoritie, and government, as had the Apostles and true churches, before the apostacie: and this is a full invitation and challenge to the whole Church of Rome, and the beginning of controversie with her, for the perfect manifestation of the long hidden truth; betwixt them that are in the truth it self, and such as have the form, but not the power; that all things may be brought to light and true judgement. Written by an embassador for the true and living God, E.B. Burrough, Edward, 1634-1662. 1658 (1658) Wing B6013A; ESTC R203576 16,877 25

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those you call Heriticks whether would not you be prevailed against by many other Sects lay away your persecution of people that you call Heriticks and do not deal with them after the manner which you have done by inquisitions and such like and onlie by sound arguments and the power of the Spirit defend your religion And dare you suffer a certain number of us to come among you and preach what we hold and a certain number of you shall freelie come among us and freelie preach what you hold without persecution or anie violence as we would expect and have the same from you engage man for man with us and do no otherwise deal with ours then we deal with yours and take the free libertie to deal with our men as we deal with your men but no otherwise and let each of the messengers preach and hold forth what they would have and what they reallie hold and believe and convert the most either of them can to their own Religion and then let all the world see which hath the Power and Spirit of God with them and whether your Ministers or our Ministers do turn the more people from you to us or from us to you and send your answer whether you will agree to the premises and if you do send your Messengers when you please and we will engage in the Lord their persons shall not be harmed but if they were then take man for man life for life of our men sent to you and let that God be the true God that appears in most power and authoritie and let him be worshipped for ever whose power converts the most to the knowledge of him out of wickedness and let that Church be the true Church which cannot be overcome and as you are willing to be made manifest join issue with us in this business and propound your own time when the men shall return whether the continuance of the matter be for daies months or years and let each of the men return without harm of person and this will be a way trulie to trie and make manifest all things to all the world and whether you or we be in the right way of the right Church use you no weapon against us but the soundest arguments you can by words according to the Scriptures and the same weapons we will use against you and no other but the authoritie of the Spirit of God and arguments thereby which shall be according to the Scriptures the Apostles writings and the testimonie of the true Church and hereby in the sight of the whole world let your church and faith and principles and practises and worships be tried and our church faith doctrines and worships and practises and whether it be yours or ours that do overcome or are overcome let that deside the controversie and whether it be you or we that are soonest overcome and that prevail the one against the other in this trial and in these proceedings and that which is overcome and prevailed against is not the true Church against which nothing can prevail no not the gates of hell and whether your Church or ours cannot be prevailed against by the other let that be the true Church for that which is prevailed against is not the true Church and whether it be your or we that are elected and of the election which cannot be deceived if we be not elected and you deceivers then it is possible you may deceive us but if we prove that we be in the election then you cannot deceive us and if we be in the truth and of the true Church then it will be happiness for you to be converted and turned to us come to the trial as soon as you will and if you be in the election you need not be afraid to be deceived by any for the elect cannot be deceived whoever that be whether your Church or our Church be the true Church and in the election and if your Ministers among us do preach the same things and by the same spirit and hold forth the verie same faith principles worship and practises which we do and are of and it be proved they are of the same spirit and principles we are of agreeing in all things then we will own them to be Christs Ministers and if our Ministers among you do hold forth that true faith and principles and practises and worship and by the same spirit as Christ and his Apostles did and prove what they say by the Scriptures then shall you receive them as the Ministers of Christ and renounce all that you hold and profess contrarie to what they hold and preach among you and hereby things may come to a fair triall and the naked truth may be made manifest whether your Church or our Church be the true Church of Christ trulie descended from the Church of the Saints of old and whether your Ministers or our Ministers be the lawful successors of the Apostles and we would willinglie come to deal with you upon these termes that it may be manifest who it is that are of the true seed and who it is that are of the election that cannot be deceived and we have manie more things to write unto you and to querie of you and to demand when we receive your answer and if you give us ground to accuse you in your return we will thresh you and lay it to your charge by the authoritie and spirit of the Lord and if you answer us plainlie we shall more perfectlie know what to do To the Pope THou mountain hear the Word of the Lord God thus saith the Lord God unto thee I will lay thee low I will break thee down I will stain the glorie of all flesh my sword shall enter into the heart of my enemies I will slay the wicked and I will crush the head of the ungodlie and I will grind the hard hearts unto pieces I will come in a day unexpected I am at the door behold me and I will take vengeance without pitie upon all my enemies my hand shall not spare my eye shall not pitie but I will tear and rend and give unto thee and unto all mankind the fruit of your own doings Innocent bloud cries unto me that hath been unjustlie shed and the righteous soul groans under the Altar unto me and now I am risen and I am begun to work in the earth and I will goe through nations and tread them down under my power I have raised a seed which shall thresh the mountains and my word is gone forth out of my mouth which shall beat them to dust and my power shall knock at thy gates and break down thy strength and it shall prevail against thee Oh thou mountain whose seat is high and whose power is great and who hath been able to make war with thee thou hast swallowed up the poor and needie and thou hast eaten up the innocent as the exe eateth up grasse thou hast continued for
thereof and answer us doth natural learning make a Minister of Christ or was the Apostles made Ministers thereby and can a man learn the Ministrie naturally as he learns a trade and is the preaching of the Gospel a trade or is it not the gift of God and can it be bought and sold and what is eternal life and how is it received and hath any that hope but them whose hearts are purified and must not everie ones heart be purified before they see God who is pure and how comes man to be a Reprobate and how comes man to be a Son of God again and what is the way and meanes of life eternal is it carnal and visible things and Ordinances is it the doing and performing of something by the creature or by the revelation of something in the creature and must not Christ be revealed in every particular and is not that the true bread of life and is there any other bread that is eternal but Christ which the mortal eye cannot see and we are very doubtful that bread and wine after consecration is not the very bodie and bloud of Christ and except you can prove to us by plain Scripture and give us sound reasons to demonstrate things we must judge you and shew your folly to the whole world and why do you pray for the dead is that available shall not they receive according to their works that they have done give us example that ever the Apostles did so or else we will say you are blind and in the dark and tell us plainly what error is and what schism is and what is the eye that the god of the world hath blinded and what is the eye that sees God is it mortal or eternal Answer us these things in plainnesse that we may know how to return in controversie with you for the Lord God is risen that will break in pieces and confound all the world And come friends give us your answer are you of Abrahams seed that was the friend of God that had not a foot of ground but forsook his place and kindred are you of that birth that hath no father upon earth and are you heirs of Gods promise and have you made your calling and election sure and is the seed come out of Egypts bonds and is all Egypts bonds broken yet and what is the bondage of Egypt and was not transgression the reason of it and what is Pharaoh out of what root did he spring and whose seed is he and is not the hard heart of Pharaoh killers and murderers are not such of Pharaoh and tell us plainly are you redeemed from Pharaoh or you are such as oppresseth the seed as Pharaoh did and tell us who was the inventer of all your Images and who was the former of all your graven Images are not they all invented and come up since the Apostles daies which ye have set up and what is Purgatorie and from what had it its rise and original and what ground have you out of Scripture for such a doctrine and what is the rule of faith and what is faith and what doth it give victorie over and what doth it overcome and what is the vail that hath been spread over all Nations and what is the Mountain of the house of God and what are those mountains the wicked shall seek to cover themselves under and what are those mountains that people expect salvation from in vain and did not Iohn come to throw down the mountains and what are the mountains that he came to throw down and what is the valley he came to raise up answer us and what is the sword of the Spirit and whether have ye the sword of the Spirit and the spiritual Armor and what is your church defended and upheld by spiritual weapons or carnal is not your goals carnal weapons and your inquisitions and your killing people about Religion are not all these carnal weapons and had ever the Church of Christ such weapons answer me plainlie and do you not expect the Lord will suddenlie plead with you and are not ye them that put off the day of the Lord and causeth the seat of violence to come neer and are not ye them that have eyes but see not ears and hear not hearts and understand not and is not your eye blind that should see Gods presence and your ears stopped that should hear his voyce and have you heard his voice and seen his shape if you have what is he like answer us and what is his Word and where doth it dwell in your hearts or is it without you and can any thing without you purifie you and take away sin out of your hearts and must not Christ be within and what is the fruits and signs and marks of a Saint and why do you go pilgrims to visit dead bones what is the reason of it and who was the first that instituted it and what is the meaning of your holy water give us Scripture for all these practises or else the power of the Lord will tear you to pieces and lay open your foundation and none that love God can joyn unto you and can any of you pardon sin trulie that it shall never more be remembred and is not your sins remembred with the light in your consciences some time and is there not a light in your consciences that doth convince you tell me plainlie and whether do you own that Christ hath lightened everie one that comes into the world and what is the light and do you know Christ as he was before Abraham and have you seen his day as Abraham did and what is the day of Christ doth the carnal eye see it give us your knowledge and your judgement in all these things and lay down your principles at full and prove by the Scriptures what you hold and profess if you would have any to turn to your Religion otherwise renounce your church and come out of Babylon what is Babylon and the Mother of Harlots and what is spiritual Egypt and Sodom where Christ is crucified and what is the Whore and what is her flesh that hath stained the earth and what is the fire that must consume her flesh manie are jealous concerning you that you are not the true Church but that you have drunken of the Whores cup who hath made all Nations drunk and if that time be come that she have made all Nations drunk then how can you clear your selves being nations and multitudes of people To all these things I expect your speedie answer and what is the death that hath raigned over all and how is man recovered out of it and when and what is the gates of hell and what is the Rock that they cannot prevail against and whether your church may never be prevailed against and whether it be not your inquisitions stakes and faggots and killing people that doth principally defend your church and if you should cease your inquisitions and killing