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26._o verse_n 26._o jesus_n take_v bread_n and_o bless_v it_o and_o break_v it_o and_o give_v it_o to_o the_o disciple_n and_o say_v take_v eat_v this_o be_v my_o body_n be_v true_a that_o it_o be_v as_o he_o say_v his_o body_n than_o it_o imply_v a_o change_n from_o its_o former_a be_v bread_n to_o its_o present_a be_v his_o body_n and_o this_o mysterious_a change_n the_o holy_a catholic_n church_n do_v proper_o call_v transubst_n antiation_n not_o that_o the_o substance_n of_o bread_n be_v change_v according_a to_o sensual_a taste_n but_o according_a to_o divine_a faith_n in_o jesus_n christ_n wherefore_o the_o gentleman_n methinks_v shall_v not_o have_v banter_v altogether_o as_o he_o do_v at_o the_o word_n transubst_n antiation_n but_o have_v speak_v to_o the_o substance_n and_o have_v either_o confess_v the_o real_a presence_n or_o have_v produce_v nothing_o but_o scripture_n to_o disprove_v it_o as_o be_v request_v the_o gentleman_n proceed_v notwithstanding_o and_o tell_v you_o 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etc._n not_o that_o he_o do_v then_o give_v or_o that_o they_o do_v then_o eat_v his_o flesh_n or_o drink_v his_o blood_n which_o they_o can_v not_o do_v before_o he_o take_v it_o bless_v it_o break_v it_o and_o give_v it_o for_o at_o that_o time_n when_o he_o speak_v as_o in_o the_o 6_o chapter_n of_o st._n john_n he_o only_o tell_v they_o he_o will_v give_v it_o and_o the_o eve_n before_o his_o passion_n he_o perform_v it_o and_o from_o that_o time_n i_o suppose_v the_o obligation_n bear_v force_v verse_n 53._o that_o except_o you_o eat_v the_o flesh_n of_o the_o son_n of_o man_n and_o drink_v his_o blood_n you_o have_v no_o life_n in_o you_o he_o do_v not_o say_v except_o you_o eat_v it_o before_o i_o give_v it_o but_o first_o
say_v he_o will_v give_v it_o and_o then_o except_o they_o do_v eat_v etc._n etc._n the_o gentleman_n however_o from_o the_o abovementioned_a text_n insinuate_v that_o christ_n flesh_n and_o blood_n may_v be_v eat_v and_o drink_v out_o of_o the_o sacrament_n as_o say_v he_o be_v evident_a from_o the_o sense_n and_o letter_n of_o it_o if_o so_o then_o continue_v he_o it_o can_v not_o be_v understand_v of_o that_o flesh_n and_o blood_n which_o the_o bread_n and_o wine_n be_v convert_v into_o in_o the_o sacrament_n nor_o add_v he_o of_o carnal_a eat_v his_o flesh_n and_o drink_v his_o blood._n as_o to_o his_o carnal_a eat_v we_o beg_v his_o pardon_n if_o he_o mean_v as_o we_o eat_v beef_n and_o other_o meat_n for_o that_o we_o true_o and_o real_o receive_v the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n in_o the_o sacrament_n to_o use_v his_o own_o word_n pag._n 12._o after_o a_o heavenly_a and_o spiritual_a manner_n and_o so_o far_o we_o shall_v agree_v do_v we_o not_o differ_v in_o this_o 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