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B12489 A persvvasion to the English recusants, to reconcile themselues to the Church of England Written for the better satisfaction of those which be ignorant. By Iohn Doue Doctor of Diuinitie. Dove, John, 1560 or 61-1618. 1603 (1603) STC 7085; ESTC S110110 29,134 40

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A PERSWASION to the English Recusants to Reconcile themselues to the Church of England Written for the better satisfaction of those which be ignorant By Iohn Doue Doctor of Diuinitie PSAL. 72. Giue thy iudgement to the King O God and thy righteousnes to the Kings sonne 1. PET. 2. Feare God Honour the King Printed at London by V. S. for Cuthbert Burby dvvelling in Paules church-yard at the signe of the To the most High and Mighty Prince IAMES by the grace of God King of England Scotland France and Ireland Defendour of the Faith GRatious and dread Soueraigne I say the truth I lie not my conscience bearing me witnes in the Holy-ghost that I haue with the Apostle great heauinesse and continuall sorrow in my heart for many of my brethren and Country-men And my hearty desire and prayer for them to God is that they may be saued For I beare them recorde that they haue the zeale of God though not according to knowledge which is the onely cause that mooued me to write this short Treatise And because God of his great goodnesse hath vouchsafed your tender yeeres the education of TIMOTHIE and indued your Highnesse since your happy gouernement with princely gifts knowledge to discerne truth and zeale to maintaine truth I humbly present vnto your Maiestie these few lines containing a subiect of so great importance The common voyce and hope of your best affected people is that your Highnesse hath a religious intent to make God yet better knowne in IVDA and his name yet greater in HIERVSALEM to bring all these your Kingdomes to the acknowledgement and profession of one truth so that hereafter HIERVSALEM may be as a walled towne and fenced citty which is at vnitie within it selfe and as it was in the dayes of the IVDGES all ISRAEL may be gathered together as one man from DAN to BEERSHEBA vnto the Lord in MISHPAH The Lord guide and prosper you in all your wayes the Lord establish your house and kingdome the Lord blesse you out of SION that you may see the wealth of HIERVSALEM all the dayes of your life that you may see your Childrens Children and peace in SION Your Maiesties humble Subiect IOHN DOVE ¶ A Perswasion to the English Recu sants to reconcile themselues to the Church of England CHAP. I. It is not enough for them to pray priuatly but it is also required that they ioyne in prayer with the Congregation ALthough the prayers of the faithfull are heard if they be faithfully made in what places soeuer because our Sauiour saith Matthew 7 Whosoeuer asketh he shall receiue and therefore not the Publican onely was Luke 18 2. Reg. 20 heard in the Temple but also King Ezekias in his Chamber Elias vnder the Iuniper tree Ionas in the bottome of the Sea Manasses in the prison Yet the Church is a place more especially Iona 2 oratio Manassis Matth 21. appoynted for prayer it is called the house of prayer and God is more peculiarly present in that house than in all other houses Of the Temple we reade that Gods eyes were open towards that house night and day his name was especially 1. Reg. 8 there he harkened to the prayers of his Seruants which stretched foorth their handes in that place and of them which were in captiuitie if they turned towardes that house which was built for his name A greater promise is made to the prayers of many vnited together than of one and a more fauourable presence of Christ amongst them which make their ioynt petition insomuch that when a congregation is ioyned together in his Matth 18 name he will be in the midst of them and if they agree in earth vpon any thing whatsoeuer they shall desire it shall be giuen of his Father which is in heauen If we lay before our eyes the Stories of the Bible the exercise 2. Ezra 8 of the godly was such In the dayes of Ezra the Scribe it was so All the people assembled themselues together hee brought the booke of the Law of Moses before the assembly of men and women and all that could heare and vnderstand he read from morning vntill mid-day vnto them the eares of all the people harkened to the booke of the Law he preached to them out of a woodden Pulpit he praised the Lord the great God and al the people answered AMEN AMEN with lifting vp their hands and they bowed themselues and worshipped the Lorde with their faces towards the ground In the newe Testament their maner was to meete together on the Saboth day to ioyne in prayer and to heare the word preached and to receiue the sacraments In the Acts of the Apostles at Antiochia was maintained Act. 14 a Lecture of the Law and the Prophets Saint Paul deliuered words of exhortation there after the Lecture and they besought him to preach to them the same sermon againe the next Saboth Saint Paul and his company being at Philippi on the Saboth Act. 17 day went out of the Citty by a riuer where they were accustomed to pray there he preached and conuerted Lydia And no doubt but if our Recusants would heare our Sermons many of them also would be conuerted Vpon the Lords day at Troas the Act. 20 disciples were gathered together to break bread a multitude was gathered together and Paul preached to them When Peter was in prison the Church making a ioynt petition for him obtained a Act. 12 speedy and miraculous deliuery And it was obserued as an especiall vertue in the primitiue Church that they continued together in prayer and breaking of bread and that they had all one heart And to this purpose Saint Paul exhorteth them saying I beseech you brethren in the name of the Lord Iesus Christ that 1. Corin. 1. ye all speake one thing that ye be knit together in one mind and iudgement And againe the God of patience and consolation Rom. 15. graunt that you may be like-minded one to another according to Christ Iesus that you with one mind and one mouth praise God the Father of our Lord Iesus Christ The true markes of the visible Church of God are the hearing of the word the participation of the sacraments and publike prayer as out of the scriptures I haue declared Let vs therefore examine the groundes whereupon so many of our nation which would especially be accounted of the true church withdrawe themselues from our publike assemblies refuse to ioyne with vs in so Christian exercises insomuch that whereas it was wont to be reputed a punishment to be interdicted suspended and like Lepers to be shut out of the Congregation they now like Lepers exclude themselues Saint Ambrose needeth not now to excommunicate Theodosius for hee will excommunicate himselfe Sozos li. 7 c. 24 and we haue as much neede to whip them into the Temple as our Sauiour had to whippe them out as hee did in the storie of the Gospel They alleadge
Constance especialy they holding such a Principle as they are not bound to keepe faith and fidelitie with an heretike But suppose wee had beene present wee should haue stood for ciphers and not for a number because they were linked together in the same confederacie to suffer nothing to passe which might be preiudiciall to the See of Rome Thirdly Bellarmine defineth those councels Tom. 1. controuers 4. cap. 4. onely to be vniuersall where all Bishops of the world either were or might be present these be his words Vbi adsunt aut adesse possunt omnes Episcopitotius orbis and in the next chapter he defineth that councell onely to be lawfull which the Pope hath approoued and the catholikes generally haue receiued But neither all could be present as I haue declared neither haue the greater part of Catholikes yet receiued that councell with the decrees thereof for they are refused by the Catholikes of Germanie France Hungary Bohemy Poland as our owne experience can tell vs. In the third place forasmuch as I haue shewed you that Christians dwelling in one place are to meete together for the exercise of their religion which consisteth in these three things prayer the word and the Sacraments Let vs examine the worde which we teach the leiturgie or forme of prayers which we vse the maner of our administration of the sacraments whereof wee would that they should be partakers Concerning the doctrine as I saide before wee holde with them the same Creede and the same Bible concerning which Bible these haue bin the chiefest differences betweene them and vs which follow First whether all the books of the Bible be canonicall or no They affirme that Tobie Baruch Iudith Ecclesiasticus Wisdome the Maccabees and the fragment of Esther c be canonicall we holde them for Apocripha They prooue them to be canonicall out of Saint Augustine we that they be Apocripha out of Saint Hierome both which doctors are of no small authoritie with the Church of Rome and therefore in this wee differ no more from them than Saint Hierome did from Saint Augustine which did both agree and were easily reconciled S. Hierome interpreteth Saint Augustines meaning that they were canonicall enough to prooue rules of life not groundes of doctrine and faith Thus Saint Hierome answered Saint Augustine in the Primitiue Church thus we haue answered the Papists of our age and Bellarmine since this answere was giuen handling this controuersie at large replieth not against our answer Onely he prooueth in generall termes that they be canonical which we do also confesse but hee dooth not so much as mention this destruction of Cannons of faith and Cannons of good life and manners much lesse dooth hee reply against it therefore wee take it proconcesso as a thing graunted by the Lawes of disputations De verbo Dei lib. 1. capitibus 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15. that hee holdeth as wee holde fl●eth to our defence and so resteth satisfied with our answer and the case to be cleere betweene vs both Secondly A question hath beene debated betweene vs concerning the Bible forasmuch as there be many editions as Hebrue Greeke Latine which is the best Wee say the Hebrew they the Latine and the councell of Trent hath obtruded to vs one only Latine edition that is the old vulgare translation and decreed that it onely should be authenticall and no other that all others should be corrected by it and it by none Wee grant it fit that for vniformitie in quotations of places in schools and pulpits one Latine text should be vsed and we can be contented for the antiquitie thereof to preferre that before all other Latine books so much we do yeeld to the Councell But forasmuch as that translation hath many faults as al other translations haue because they are the workes of men we preferre the originall that is the olde Testament in the Hebrew and the new in Greeke farre before it forasmuch as they were written by the finger of God the Holy Ghost which cannot erre And Bellarmine condescendeth to our opinion as more sound than the decree of the councell of Trent shewing that wheresoeuer the Latine bookes do discent one from another that it may be discerned which is the truest each of them to be examined by the originall which is of greater authoritie and the Latine bookes to be corrected by them that onely to be sound which agreeth with them and that to be reiected which discenteth from them His words are these Ad aliud de emendatione Latinorum codicum ad Hebraeos De verbo Dei lib. 2. cap. 11 Graecos respondeo quatuor temporibus licere nobis recurrere al fontes Hebraeos Graecos vt illi patres monent Primo quando in nostris codicibus videtur esse error librariorum c Secundo quando Latini codices variant vt non possit certò status quae sit vera vulgata Lectio possumus ad fontes recurrere inde iuuari ad veram Lectionem inueniendam Sic Iosue 5. quidam Latini codices habent Quibus iurauit vt ostenderet illis terram lecte fluentem molle quidam habent vt non ostenderet c vera lectio videtur esse posterior Nam in Hebraeo constantèr additur Non. Sicut è contrariò Iosue 11. Quidam codices habent Non fuit ciuitas quae non se traderet Quidam habent Non fuit ciuitas quae se traderet Et hoc est verius quià conforme est Hebraeo verba sequentia id requirunt Sic Lucae 1. quidem codices habent Redemptionem plebisuae Quidam plebi suae haec videtur verior cùm in Graeco sit 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 A third question concerning the Bible is whether all grounds of saluation all things which are absolutely necessarie for a Christian man to know be contained in the corpes and body of the Bible They haue held in times past that the Bible was insufficient Vide Concil Trident. and therefore they added vnto it traditions which they call vnwritten verities and would haue them to be of as great authoritie as the scriptures as necessary to bee beleeued and obayed but now Bellarmine as if he were ashamed of that ascertion doth relinquish it and after he hath spoken in the defence of traditions what he can concludeth that all things which are necessary are contained in the Apostles His wordes are these Primum De verbo Dei lib. 4. cap. 10 est quaedam in doctrinâ Christianâ tam fides quam morum esse simpliciter omnibus necessaria ad salutem qualis est notitia articulorum Symboli Apostolici item congnitio decem praeceptorum nonnullorum sacramentorum Cetera non ita necessaria sunt vt sine eorum explicatâ notitiâ fide professione saluari homo non possit modo promptam habeat voluntatem ea suscipiendi credendi quando sibi fuerint legitimè per Ecclesiam proposita c
commaunded to doe wee are but vnprofitable seruants and therefore we will relie vpon the merits of Christ alone renouncing our selues and our workes Let them iudge then who are safest they or we Our difference is not concerning the worke it selfe but only concerning the opinion which we ought to conceiue of the worke they thinke honourably wee basely of our owne workes but worke the same And certainely the worthinesse of workes doth not consist in the excellent opinion which we conceiue of them but in the true and faithfull working not in the pleasing of our selues with our selues or any thing which procedeth from vs. Of Free will THis question hath bred some difference betweene vs in the schooles and yet if we do vnderstand each other we may be easily reconciled For the scriptures speake so plainely that they take away doubts We are say they not of our selues sufficient to thinke a good thought as of our selues but all our sufficiencie is of God The way of man is not in himselfe neither is it in man 1. Corint 3. Ierem. 10 to walke and direct his steps No man commeth to Christ vnlesse the Father draw him Draw me and wee will runne after Iohn 6 Cant. 1 Rom. 7 thee What good I would doe that doe I not the euill which I would not doe that doe I saith the Apostle To conclude therefore there are three sorts of agents the one working of his meere will and pleasure which is God the other of necessitie which is nature a third betweene both these extreames partly of willingnesse and partely of necessitie which is man And as no man is good against his will so no man hath power to will any thing that is good vnlesse God giueth him that will So saith the Apostle It is God which worketh in you euen the wil and deede Phil. 2 of his owne good will and pleasure And this will may be compared to the eye which being in darkenesse yet is not blinde neither doth it see without the especiall grace of God Of Prayer WE inuocate God alone who we are sure doth heare vs and they confesse that in so doing wee doe well why then will they not ioyne with vs in well doing But as for Saints departed when they pray to them to be prayed for by them they are not certaine that they doe heare them because it cannot be sufficiently prooued why then will they not pray with vs whose prayers they confesse to be voyde of exception They denie not but that it is better to pray to God then to Saints why then had they not rather be sure of the first place then doubt of the second Their prayer to Saints may breede a scruple in their conscience whether they do well or no. For if they heare them not their praiers are idle words but they must answere at the day of iudgement Matth. 12. for euery idle word which they shall speake As we pray not to Saints departed so wee pray not for Saints or any other deceased If they be in heauen they neede not our prayers if in hel no prayers can helpe them and we dare not say they are in purgatory sith purgatory by the confession of Bellarmine is a tradition not containd in the scriptures He writes that there be many things necessary to be known which are not contained in the scriptures he doth reckon them vp in order and he placeth them so first that women were purged from sinne though vncircumcised secondly that children that died before the eight day were also purged from originall sinne thirdly many Gentiles in the old testament were saued fourthly that of necessitie there be some books which are the holy scriptures fiftly that it must be knowne which bookes are the holy scriptures sixtly that the bookes which wee haue in our hands are the holy scriptures seauenthly that the scriptures are to be vnderstood eightly that Mary was a perpetuall Virgine ninthly that Easter is to be celebrated on the Lordes day tenthly that Infants are to be baptized eleuenthly purgatory But marke his words he saith many things are necessary to be knowne which are not contained in the scriptures among those he maketh purgatory to be the eleuenth therefore he affirmeth that purgatory is a thing necessary to be knowne and not in the scriptures and yet as a man that would halte betweene two religions to please vs and not displease the Papists doth lay it vpon Luther saying Credit Lutherus purgatorium esse tamen asserit purgatorium non posse probari in sacris literis Luther saith he belieueth that there is a purgatory and yet saith it cannot be prooued out of the scriptures The question is whether Bellarmine doth not say so as well as Luther If he do not first why doth he not expresse his owne minde to the contrary in that place secondly why doth he in that long catalogue of such things as are not contained in the scriptures reckon purgatory to be the eleuenth He sheweth that the tenth tradition or vnwritten veritie is the baptisme of Infants that Luther and Caluin hold it lawefull and yet his selfe doth not refuse that opinion which they doe hold and the like must be vnderstood concerning purgatory that as Luther denieth purgatory to be contained in the scriptures so doth Bellarmine or else he doth contradict himselfe which said before that Pargatorium est vndecimum eorum quae ignorari non possunt tamen in scripturis non continentur Purgatory is the eleuenth of these things whereof we may not be ignorant and yet are not contained in the scriptures Sith therefore Bellarmine repeating many things which are not contained in the scripture of which one to be purgatory and yet before as I haue shewd granteth all things to be contained in the scriptures which are necessary for our saluation that we should know them ye must beare with vs De verbo Dei lib. 2. cap. 11. if we doe not belieue purgatorie being no matter of saluation to vs to belieue it We pray in our mother tongue what exception doe they take against it Their priuate prayers are in English as it appeareth by their Iesus psalter their Manuall of Meditations and sundry other prayer books which they haue printed I would know why it might not be as lawfull to pray publikely in the same tongue Which is more I haue seene the Masse by them set forth in Spanish the Spanish being in one page of the booke and the Latine in the other In times past the English testament was printed with the English in one page and the Latine in the other and licensed to be printed and publikely sold by King Philip and Qu. Mary And now of late our English Seminaries of Rhemes haue published the New Testament in English with promise also to set forth the old why may not the English Bible be published by vs as well as by the Seminaries and as well be read publikely in our Church