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A74671 The bar, against free admission to the Lords Supper, fixed. Or, An answer to Mr. Humphrey his Rejoynder, or, reply. By Roger Drake minister of Peters Cheap, London. R. D. (Roger Drake), 1608-1669. 1656 (1656) Wing D2128; Thomason E1593_1; ESTC R208860 271,720 506

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as_o a_o minister_n will_v he_o forbid_v we_o the_o same_o liberty_n of_o distinction_n he_o take_v himself_o the_o other_o instance_n he_o except_v against_o pag._n 18._o of_o christ_n administer_a it_o only_o to_o minister_n etc._n etc._n prove_v strong_o that_o all_o christ_n do_v at_o the_o supper_n be_v no_o necessary_a rule_n for_o our_o imitation_n among_o which_o judas_n his_o admission_n upon_o mr._n humphrey_n his_o supposal_n be_v one_o fall_v under_o the_o same_o notion_n unless_o mr._n humphrey_n can_v prove_v that_o christ_n do_v not_o only_o admit_v judas_n a_o person_n then_o as_o he_o say_v scandalous_a but_o also_o with_o this_o very_a intention_n that_o his_o practice_n herein_o may_v be_v a_o rule_n for_o all_o minister_n to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o world_n to_o admit_v to_o the_o sacrament_n scandalous_a person_n as_o for_o his_o appeal_n in_o the_o close_a of_o pag._n 18_o i_o have_v show_v former_o that_o mr._n timson_n though_o his_o second_o in_o this_o cause_n look_v not_o at_o judas_n his_o receive_n or_o not_o receive_v as_o clear_o argumentative_a in_o this_o cause_n pag._n 3_o &_o 4._o and_o shall_v the_o stress_n of_o this_o controversy_n lie_v upon_o judas_n his_o receive_n or_o his_o not_o receive_v at_o what_o uncertainty_n shall_v we_o be_v about_o our_o practice_n herein_o when_o it_o be_v so_o hard_a to_o determine_v out_o of_o scripture_n whether_o judas_n receive_v or_o not_o his_o quotation_n out_o of_o doctor_n hammond_n make_v not_o for_o his_o purpose_n we_o easy_o grant_v with_o that_o learned_a clerk_n that_o christian_a professor_n may_v lawful_o be_v admit_v though_o their_o heart_n be_v full_a of_o villainy_n and_o when_o we_o have_v do_v all_o we_o can_v such_o will_v be_v admit_v where_o we_o find_v competency_n of_o knowledge_n profess_a subjection_n to_o all_o the_o way_n of_o christ_n not_o contradict_v by_o a_o scandalous_a life_n we_o bless_v god_n for_o the_o good_a we_o see_v in_o they_o cheerful_o give_v 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he_o take_v i_o not_o for_o a_o ranter_n or_o one_o above_o or_o against_o all_o ordinance_n though_o i_o distinguish_v between_o the_o feast_n and_o the_o dish_n in_o which_o it_o be_v serve_v yet_o i_o do_v not_o separate_v the_o feast_n from_o all_o the_o dish_n do_v it_o follow_v a_o man_n must_v eat_v the_o feast_n without_o a_o dish_n because_o he_o must_v not_o eat_v it_o in_o every_o dish_n we_o grant_v all_o may_v eat_v the_o feast_n in_o the_o dish_n of_o the_o word_n contra_fw-la himself_o will_v have_v some_o eat_v the_o feast_n without_o any_o dish_n to_o wit_n person_n excommunicate_v his_o fine_a story_n therefore_o be_v more_o applicable_a to_o himself_o then_o to_o we_o who_o grudge_v the_o egg_n of_o the_o gospel_n to_o none_o though_o we_o do_v not_o think_v it_o be_v to_o be_v eat_v in_o every_o shell_n mr._n humphrey_n he_o urge_v than_o shall_v heathen_a be_v admit_v ans_fw-fr and_o so_o they_o may_v if_o they_o come_v in_o a_o orderly_a way_n ans_fw-fr content_a and_o so_o may_v every_o church-member_n if_o he_o come_v in_o a_o orderly_a way_n but_o the_o admitt_n of_o gross_o ignorant_a and_o scandalous_a church-member_n be_v no_o orderly_a way_n mr._n humphrey_n three_o he_o add_v how_o be_v the_o unthank_v full_a guest_n also_o exclude_v and_o answer_v himself_o because_o they_o will_v not_o come_v ans_fw-fr it_o be_v apparent_a they_o be_v shut_v out_o by_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o king_n luke_n 14._o 24._o and_o that_o other_o be_v compel_v in_o to_o fill_v the_o house_n that_o there_o may_v be_v no_o room_n for_o the_o unthankful_a guest_n whence_o its_o probable_a the_o parable_n more_o direct_o and_o immediate_o concern_v the_o rejection_n of_o the_o jew_n that_o the_o gentile_n may_v be_v receive_v in_o rom._n 11._o ver_fw-la 19_o 20._o 25._o 28._o 30._o 2_o if_o it_o be_v particular_o applicable_a to_o the_o sacrament_n what_o follow_v but_o that_o they_o who_o sleight_v the_o sacrament_n deserve_v to_o be_v suspend_v from_o it_o 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misinterpret_v and_o wrest_v be_v not_o scripture_n mr._n humphrey_n i_o see_v be_v upon_o a_o merry_a pin_n but_o seriousness_n will_v more_o become_v he_o let_v the_o reader_n peruse_v my_o answer_n page_z 32_o &_o 33._o and_o he_o will_v easy_o perceive_v there_o be_v no_o such_o ground_n of_o insult_v on_o mr._n h._n his_o part_n for_o his_o rule_n adultis_fw-la eadem_fw-la est_fw-la ratio_fw-la utriusque_fw-la sacramenti_fw-la i_o must_v tell_v i_o he_o again_o it_o make_v much_o for_o we_o and_o against_o himself_o since_o by_o this_o rule_n at_o every_o sacrament_n man_n ought_v to_o give_v a_o account_n of_o their_o faith_n as_o they_o do_v at_o baptism_n the_o force_n of_o this_o answer_n to_o avoid_v 56._o pag._n 56._o mr._n humphrey_n shuffle_n pag._n 56_o and_o tell_v we_o there_o be_v eadem_fw-la ratio_fw-la but_o not_o in_o omnibus_fw-la and_o that_o the_o very_a come_n of_o church-member_n be_v their_o profession_n ans_fw-fr 1._o be_v it_o fair_a mr._n humphrey_n shall_v bring_v a_o rule_n to_o bind_v we_o and_o yet_o will_v not_o be_v bind_v by_o it_o himself_o 2_o whether_o it_o hold_v in_o omnibus_fw-la or_o no_o it_o must_v hold_v in_o the_o matter_n controvert_v now_o the_o business_n in_o controversy_n between_o i_o and_o mr._n humphrey_n be_v whether_o every_o receiver_n before_o receive_v aught_o to_o make_v profession_n of_o his_o faith_n and_o repentance_n this_o mr._n humphrey_n deny_v and_o for_o a_o argument_n make_v use_v of_o this_o rule_n adulits_n eadem_fw-la est_fw-la ratio_fw-la etc._n etc._n we_o say_v content_a but_o adulti_fw-la be_v bind_v to_o profess_v their_o faith_n and_o repentance_n before_o baptism_n therefore_o they_o be_v bind_v to_o profess_v the_o same_o before_o receive_v for_o according_a to_o mr._n humphrey_n his_o rule_n there_o be_v the_o same_o reason_n of_o both_o sacrament_n
36_o 37._o and_o hence_o when_o heathen_a come_v on_o to_o the_o church_n they_o be_v first_o catechumeni_fw-la and_o give_v evidence_n of_o their_o faith_n and_o repentance_n before_o they_o be_v admit_v church-member_n and_o baptise_a nor_o be_v paul_n himself_o admit_v by_o the_o church_n of_o jerusalem_n till_o upon_o good_a evidence_n act_v 9_o vers_fw-la 26_o 27._o and_o why_o the_o like_a care_n shall_v not_o be_v use_v in_o the_o sacrament_n of_o growth_n as_o be_v in_o the_o sacrament_n of_o initiation_n there_o be_v with_o we_o so_o great_a a_o distance_n of_o time_n between_o the_o one_o and_o the_o other_o and_o we_o have_v so_o good_a ground_n to_o fear_v the_o declension_n of_o church-member_n as_o well_o as_o they_o have_v to_o fear_v the_o hypocritical_a approach_n of_o church-candidates_a mr._n humphrey_n i_o believe_v can_v give_v no_o solid_a reason_n all_o heathen_a may_v and_o must_v be_v admit_v to_o baptisine_n upon_o their_o desire_n and_o all_o church-member_n may_v and_o must_v be_v admit_v to_o the_o lord_n supper_n upon_o their_o desire_n provide_v the_o desire_n in_o both_o be_v regular_a and_o certain_o if_o moderate_a inquisition_n after_o the_o sincerity_n of_o heathen_n desire_v be_v not_o enter_v upon_o god_n throne_n then_o the_o same_o inquisition_n after_o the_o sincerity_n of_o church-member_n desire_n can_v be_v charge_v as_o a_o intrude_a upon_o god_n secret_n for_o our_o part_n we_o believe_v the_o covenant_n be_v seal_v conditional_o in_o the_o sacrament_n to_o all_o the_o world_n as_o well_o at_o to_o all_o church-member_n but_o from_o thence_o to_o argue_v that_o all_o the_o world_n or_o every_o church-member_n shall_v receive_v the_o sacrament_n be_v a_o conclusion_n mr._n humphrey_n himself_o can_v swallow_v much_o less_o other_o who_o be_v not_o of_o his_o large_a principle_n whereas_o therefore_o he_o add_v 74._o pag._n 74._o we_o may_v not_o judge_v man_n be_v outward_o rebel_n unless_o we_o have_v somewhat_o to_o allege_v against_o they_o and_o then_o they_o must_v be_v excommunicate_v ans_fw-fr 1._o we_o judge_v not_o any_o to_o be_v outward_o rebel_n unless_o we_o have_v something_o to_o allege_v against_o they_o as_o david_n have_v against_o absolum_n party_n who_o i_o think_v be_v outward_o rebel_n as_o well_o as_o edomite_n or_o philistine_n to_o wit_n ignorance_n obstinacy_n scandal_n and_o if_o trial_n of_o church-member_n be_v command_v he_o that_o wilful_o refuse_v it_o show_v himself_o a_o rebel_n as_o well_o as_o he_o that_o wilful_o refuse_v to_o obey_v his_o prince_n 2_o lie_n such_o we_o judge_v be_v to_o be_v excommunicate_v but_o not_o present_o with_o the_o high_a degree_n of_o excommunication_n unless_o the_o greatness_n and_o palpablenesse_n of_o the_o offence_n with_o other_o circumstance_n do_v require_v the_o same_o 3_o lie_n whereas_o he_o pretend_v there_o be_v not_o scripture-warrant_a for_o trial_n of_o church-member_n ans_fw-fr beside_o what_o have_v be_v former_o say_v to_o this_o i_o add_v if_o scripture_n warrant_v trial_n in_o general_a and_o apply_v this_o rule_n particular_o to_o some_o church-member_n this_o be_v enough_o for_o we_o and_o it_o lie_v upon_o mr._n humphrey_n to_o prove_v that_o this_o trial_n must_v not_o be_v against_o the_o sacrament_n which_o when_o he_o can_v do_v we_o shall_v easy_o yield_v he_o the_o cause_n now_o that_o trial_n be_v command_v in_o general_a see_v 1_o thess_n 5._o 21._o we_o be_v command_v to_o try_v all_o thing_n and_o if_o a_o person_n be_v not_o a_o thing_n let_v mr._n humphrey_n put_v he_o out_o of_o that_o general_a 15._o private_a christian_n may_v put_v each_o other_o upon_o trial_n jam._n 2._o vers_fw-la 18_o 20._o we_o ought_v not_o to_o refuse_v trial_n from_o any_o where_o there_o be_v just_a occasion_n 1_o pet._n 3._o 15._o in_o particular_a the_o deacon_n be_v to_o be_v try_v 1_o tim._n 3._o 10._o minister_n or_o such_o as_o pretend_v to_o be_v minister_n be_v to_o be_v try_v by_o the_o people_n 1_o joh._n 4._o 1._o the_o church_n of_o ephesus_n be_v commend_v for_o try_v the_o false_a apostle_n revel_v 2._o 2._o 27._o see_v jer._n 6._o 27._o if_o people_n have_v power_n to_o try_v their_o officer_n shall_v church_n officer_n have_v no_o power_n to_o try_v their_o people_n have_v every_o church-member_n a_o trial_n and_o judgement_n of_o discretion_n and_o shall_v not_o church-officer_n have_v a_o trial_n and_o judgement_n of_o decision_n whereas_o therefore_o in_o the_o foot_n of_o this_o page_n he_o upbraid_v i_o again_o as_o give_v more_o power_n to_o the_o servant_n then_o to_o the_o lord_n himself_o as_o i_o pardon_v he_o this_o wrong_n so_o i_o must_v mind_v my_o reader_n that_o that_o cavil_n have_v be_v already_o answer_v we_o doubt_v not_o but_o christ_n as_o lord_n and_o king_n of_o the_o church_n may_v have_v try_v suspend_v or_o excommunicate_v judas_n by_o his_o own_o power_n have_v he_o please_v so_o to_o do_v yet_o christ_n forbear_v to_o do_v either_o of_o these_o be_v no_o rule_n for_o our_o imitation_n what_o christ_n may_v do_v as_o a_o minister_n be_v a_o other_o question_n and_o of_o that_o i_o speak_v and_o say_v that_o if_o christ_n as_o a_o minister_n may_v suspend_v or_o excommunicate_v than_o every_o minister_n may_v by_o himself_o alone_o suspend_v and_o excommunicate_v which_o power_n if_o give_v to_o every_o particular_a minister_n may_v provefatall_a to_o the_o church_n nor_o do_v i_o find_v in_o scripture_n that_o one_o particular_a minister_n be_v the_o church_n govern_v matth._n 18._o 17._o yet_o withal_o for_o further_a explication_n of_o myself_o in_o that_o particular_a i_o think_v we_o may_v safe_o distinguish_v between_o a_o regular_a and_o irregular_a state_n of_o the_o church_n where_o church-government_n can_v be_v settle_v regular_o in_o that_o case_n i_o believe_v much_o lie_v upon_o the_o minister_n or_o where_o the_o elder_n will_v not_o act_v i_o do_v not_o apprehend_v that_o therefore_o sacrament_n be_v to_o be_v omit_v but_o the_o minister_n who_o on_o all_o hand_n be_v acknowledge_v as_o a_o undoubted_a officer_n must_v endeavour_v to_o supply_v that_o defect_n haply_o in_o some_o case_n and_o for_o some_o person_n the_o elder_n for_o a_o time_n may_v devolve_v the_o sole_a power_n of_o trial_n upon_o the_o minister_n where_o they_o have_v good_a assurance_n of_o his_o integrity_n 2_o lie_n i_o distinguish_v between_o the_o minister_n pastoral_a and_o judicial_a power_n suppose_v he_o can_v suspend_v a_o ignorant_a and_o scandalous_a person_n judicial_o may_v he_o not_o therefore_o suspend_v he_o pastoral_o suppose_v he_o can_v suspend_v such_o by_o a_o formal_a sentence_n may_v he_o not_o suspend_v his_o own_o act_n as_o be_v not_o bind_v against_o his_o conscience_n to_o give_v the_o sacrament_n to_o one_o visible_o unworthy_a may_v there_o not_o be_v a_o negative_a where_o there_o be_v no_o formal_a suspension_n 75._o pag._n 75._o he_o think_v i_o slander_v the_o sacrament_n in_o compare_v it_o to_o the_o bitter_a water_n and_o say_v it_o can_v do_v good_a to_o none_o but_o such_o as_o be_v good_a already_o ans_fw-fr 1._o though_o i_o be_v not_o bind_v to_o answer_v mr._n humphrey_n his_o thought_n but_o his_o argument_n yet_o herein_o i_o dare_v refer_v myself_o to_o a_o indifferent_a person_n what_o slander_v it_o be_v to_o compare_v any_o of_o the_o ordinance_n to_o the_o bitter_a water_n which_o ever_o do_v good_a or_o hurt_n as_o every_o ordinance_n do_v not_o according_a to_o its_o own_o nature_n but_o according_a to_o the_o disposition_n of_o the_o subject_n or_o the_o dispensation_n of_o free_a grace_n 2_o lie_n i_o believe_v the_o sacrament_n may_v do_v good_a even_o to_o those_o who_o be_v bad_a upon_o which_o account_n all_o sort_n may_v be_v present_a only_o i_o dissent_v about_o actual_a receive_n which_o if_o mr._n humphrey_n can_v prove_v a_o convert_n ordinance_n he_o shall_v not_o only_o make_v i_o his_o proselyte_n but_o a_o great_a zealot_n for_o free_a admission_n yea_o free_a admission_n than_o himself_o be_v what_o he_o repeat_v here_o and_o page_n 76._o i_o pass_v as_o have_v be_v former_o answer_v page_n 75._o mr._n humphrey_n feel_v himself_o pinch_v with_o the_o instance_n of_o godly_a parent_n and_o master_n keep_v their_o child_n and_o servant_n from_o the_o sacrament_n till_o they_o be_v visible_o qualify_v have_v nothing_o to_o except_v against_o but_o my_o ill_a language_n as_o he_o be_v please_v to_o term_v it_o ans_fw-fr the_o worst_a of_o my_o ill_a language_n be_v to_o ask_v he_o whether_o it_o be_v not_o a_o shame_n for_o one_o scarce_o out_o of_o the_o shell_n for_o learning_n and_o divinity_n to_o reflect_v upon_o such_o eminent_a and_o pious_a person_n who_o be_v counselor_n and_o author_n of_o church-government_n among_o we_o as_o if_o they_o be_v child_n of_o simon_n magus_n and_o go_v about_o with_o
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that_o a_o person_n in_o communion_n may_v be_v debar_v the_o communion_n d._n dr._n 86._o pag._n 86._o good_a government_n lie_v in_o the_o geometrical_a not_o arithmetical_a administration_n of_o censure_n mr._n humphrey_n mr._n drake_n be_v suspension_n hang_v by_o geometry_n between_o admonition_n and_o excommunication_n ans_fw-fr be_v it_o so_o that_o which_o hang_v by_o geometry_n hang_v fast_o enough_o however_o person_n unskilled_a in_o geometry_n may_v fear_v it_o will_v fall_v he_o do_v well_o to_o make_v up_o in_o wit_n what_o be_v defective_a in_o reason_n suspension_n want_v not_o a_o bottom_n in_o scripture_n though_o it_o hang_v in_o the_o air_n of_o mr._n humphrer_n brain_n but_o of_o this_o formerly_z and_o more_o haply_o hereafter_o 87._o pag._n 87._o he_o triumph_v because_o we_o grant_v suspension_n be_v not_o in_o term_n in_o scripture_n ans_fw-fr no_o more_o be_v excommunication_n which_o yet_o i_o hope_v be_v a_o unquestionable_a ordinance_n 2_o lie_n he_o 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excommunication_n which_o be_v a_o pluck_n
evidence_n the_o absurdity_n let_v we_o argue_v proportionable_o about_o the_o command_n as_o we_o have_v do_v about_o the_o promise_n i_o ask_v mr._n h._n then_o whether_o the_o scripture_n do_v not_o say_v i_o roger_n must_v not_o commit_v adultery_n i_o prove_v it_o do_v thus_o the_o scripture_n say_v no_o man_n shall_v commit_v adultery_n therefore_o it_o say_v i_o roger_n must_v not_o commit_v adultery_n the_o minor_a of_o the_o enthymeme_n i_o roger_n be_o a_o man_n be_v thus_o prove_v he_o that_o have_v the_o necessary_a mark_n of_o a_o man_n be_v a_o man_n i_o have_v these_o mark_n therefore_o i_o be_o a_o man_n object_n i_o but_o the_o scripture_n or_o philosophy_n no_o where_n say_v that_o i_o roger_n have_v those_o mark_n of_o a_o man_n therefore_o it_o can_v be_v prove_v from_o they_o that_o i_o be_o a_o man_n and_o by_o consequence_n it_o can_v be_v prove_v from_o scripture_n that_o i_o be_o forbid_v to_o commit_v adultery_n will_v not_o such_o a_o answer_n be_v both_o 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