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who_o shall_v bring_v it_o to_o the_o next_o synod_n or_o who_o shall_v summon_v the_o synod_n or_o in_o what_o place_n shall_v it_o be_v keep_v or_o at_o what_o stay_n shall_v the_o parish_n be_v for_o a_o pastor_n until_o the_o matter_n be_v determine_v or_o who_o shall_v complain_v to_o y_z e_z prince_n and_o magistrate_n or_o what_o if_o the_o prince_n will_v not_o drive_v they_o to_o a_o new_a election_n but_o allow_v of_o the_o old_a do_v you_o not_o see_v of_o what_o disorder_n contention_n tumult_n &_o inconvenience_n this_o your_o disorder_a order_n will_v be_v the_o cause_n for_o how_o many_o meeting_n of_o church_n shall_v we_o have_v how_o many_o synod_n what_o part_n take_v what_o run_v up_o and_o down_o what_o loss_n of_o time_n what_o cause_n of_o offence_n what_o quarrel_n yea_o what_o not_o but_o among_o all_o other_o thing_n you_o have_v here_o appoint_v to_o y_z e_z prince_n or_o magistrate_n increase_v the_o prince_n authority_n diminish_v and_o her_o trouble_n increase_v a_o good_a office_n that_o he_o must_v stand_v and_o behold_v all_o this_o and_o in_o the_o end_n only_o drive_v the_o parish_n to_o a_o new_a election_n which_o also_o you_o say_v that_o he_o must_v do_v throughout_o your_o whole_a book_n you_o take_v from_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n his_o whole_a authority_n in_o ecclesiastical_a matter_n &_o give_v unto_o he_o no_o more_o as_o i_o have_v before_o declare_v than_o the_o very_a papist_n do_v that_o be_v potestatem_fw-la facti_fw-la and_o not_o potestatem_fw-la iuris_fw-la for_o he_o must_v only_o at_o your_o commandment_n execute_v such_o law_n and_o order_n as_o you_o and_o your_o senior_n have_v devise_v again_o consider_v the_o great_a number_n of_o parish_n in_o this_o realm_n the_o variety_n of_o man_n mind_n the_o diversity_n of_o opinion_n in_o religion_n and_o the_o general_a inclination_n in_o the_o heart_n of_o man_n to_o dissent_v and_o disagree_v among_o themselves_o it_o can_v not_o be_v but_o that_o in_o 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substance_n or_o be_v of_o baptism_n whether_o 1_o pa._n 114._o sect._n 1_o he_o be_v minister_v or_o no_o that_o minister_v that_o sacrament_n pag._n 114._o and_o this_o be_v that_o mystery_n which_o you_o and_o your_o fellow_n will_v not_o as_o yet_o open_o utter_v but_o crafty_o dissemble_v until_o you_o see_v better_a opportunity_n the_o truth_n be_v your_o intent_n be_v rebaptisation_n and_o flat_a anabaytisme_n but_o i_o have_v declare_v sufficient_o the_o vanity_n of_o your_o collection_n in_o this_o place_n and_o the_o weakness_n of_o your_o reason_n touch_v this_o matter_n where_o you_o have_v give_v i_o more_o especial_a occasion_n to_o speak_v of_o it_o tract_n 9_o chap._n 7._o the._n 7._o division_n t._n c._n page_n 42._o sect._n 2._o 3._o see_v then_o that_o the_o scripture_n do_v teach_v this_o order_n that_o there_o shall_v be_v no_o minister_n thrust_v upon_o the_o church_n but_o by_o the_o consent_n thereof_o and_o reason_n persuade_v that_o way_n and_o the_o use_n of_o the_o church_n have_v be_v so_o from_o time_n to_o time_n both_o in_o peace_n and_o in_o time_n of_o persecution_n both_o under_o tyrant_n and_o godly_a prince_n it_o can_v be_v without_o the_o high_a displeasure_n of_o almighty_a god_n the_o great_a hurt_n and_o sore_a oppression_n of_o the_o church_n that_o one_o man_n shall_v take_v this_o unto_o he_o which_o perteyn_v to_o so_o many_o or_o one_o minister_n which_o perteyn_v to_o more_o than_o one_o especial_o where_o the_o advice_n of_o learned_a minister_n may_v concur_v with_o the_o people_n election_n or_o consent_n now_o if_o any_o man_n will_v rise_v up_o and_o say_v that_o this_o doctrine_n bring_v in_o disorder_n and_o by_o this_o mean_n child_n boy_n and_o woman_n shall_v have_v their_o voice_n which_o be_v unseemly_a all_o man_n understande_v that_o where_o the_o election_n be_v most_o free_a and_o most_o general_a yet_o only_o they_o have_v to_o do_v which_o be_v head_n of_o family_n and_o that_o this_o be_v but_o 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displease_v with_o they_o for_o so_o do_v if_o they_o seek_v his_o glory_n therein_o the_o godly_a peace_n and_o quietness_n of_o the_o church_n and_o have_v respect_n to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o apostle_n in_o appoint_v minister_n but_o he_o be_v great_o displease_v with_o those_o that_o make_v a_o necessity_n where_o none_o be_v and_o trouble_v the_o church_n with_o their_o own_o devise_n and_o make_v contention_n for_o external_a matter_n ¶_o it_o be_v not_o necessary_a that_o the_o people_n shall_v have_v interest_n in_o the_o election_n of_o minister_n but_o the_o contrary_n be_v convenient_a chap._n 8._o the._n 1._o division_n io._n whitgifte_n now_o that_o you_o have_v utter_v all_o your_o authority_n and_o reason_n to_o prove_v that_o the_o people_n ought_v to_o have_v interest_n in_o the_o elect_n of_o their_o minister_n &_o that_o i_o have_v sufficient_o i_o trust_n answer_v the_o same_o let_v it_o not_o be_v troublesome_a unto_o you_o if_o summary_o i_o collect_v my_o 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and_o hierome_n say_v that_o y_fw-es e_fw-es cause_v why_o among_o y_z e_z bishops_z one_z be_v choose_v to_o govern_v y_z e_o rest_n be_v to_o remedy_v schism_n do_v you_o not_o perceive_v how_o these_o two_o father_n join_v in_o one_o truth_n &_o direct_o affirm_v y_z e_o self_n same_o matter_n it_o be_v true_a y_fw-mi t_o time_n corrupt_v &_o therefore_o much_o more_o occasion_n be_v offer_v to_o appoint_v government_n according_a to_o y_z e_z time_n lest_o the_o corruption_n prevail_v &_o get_v the_o upper_a hand_n &_o for_o this_o cause_n hierome_n say_v that_o upon_o these_o corruption_n of_o time_n the_o church_n be_v constrain_v to_o appoint_v this_o order_n chap._n 3._o the._n 17._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 79._o sect._n 3_o and_o here_o i_o must_v put_v m._n doctor_n in_o remembrance_n how_o unfit_o he_o have_v dedicate_v his_o book_n unto_o y_z e_o church_n which_o have_v so_o patch_v it_o &_o peece_v it_o of_o a_o number_n of_o shredde_n of_o the_o doctor_n y_fw-fr t_o 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whatsoever_o be_v latter_a hierome_n &_o you_o confess_v y_z t_o this_o be_v first_o that_z y_z e_z bishop_z be_v all_o one_o with_o y_z e_z elder_n &_o first_o also_o by_o y_z e_z falsify_v tertullians_n meaning_n falsify_v word_n of_o god_n they_o i_o conclude_v y_fw-fr t_z that_o be_v true_a you_o both_o do_v likewise_o confess_v y_z t_z it_o come_v after_o that_o one_o bare_a rule_n over_o the_o rest_n than_o i_o conclude_v y_z e_z that_o be_v false_a for_o all_o that_o be_v false_a that_o be_v latter_a furthermore_o hierome_n in_o the_o same_o place_n of_o titus_n say_v after_o this_o sort_n as_z y_z e_z elder_n know_v themselves_o to_o be_v subject_a by_o a_o custom_n of_o the_o church_n unto_o he_o that_o be_v set_v over_o they_o so_o the_o bishop_n must_v know_v that_o they_o be_v great_a than_o the_o elder_n rather_o by_o custom_n than_o by_o any_o truth_n of_o the_o instatution_n of_o the_o lord_n and_o so_o they_o ought_v to_o govern_v the_o church_n in_o common_a io._n 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which_o be_v to_o believe_v in_o ▪_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d ▪_o one_o god_n and_o in_o his_o son_n jesus_n ch_n ist_fw-mi etc._n etc._n he_o say_v that_o this_o rule_n have_v come_v from_o the_o begin_n of_o the_o gospel_n even_o before_o all_o former_a heretic_n much_o more_o before_o 〈◊〉_d that_o be_v but_o yesterdaye_n as_o well_o the_o posterity_n of_o all_o heretic_n as_o the_o very_a novelty_n of_o 〈◊〉_d which_o be_v of_o late_o will_v prove_v whereby_o judgement_n may_v hereof_o be_v indifferent_o give_v against_o all_o heresy_n that_o that_o be_v true_a whatsoever_o be_v first_o &_o that_o count_n rfeit_v whatsoever_o be_v last_o whereby_o it_o be_v e_o ident_a that_o tertullians_n rule_n be_v to_o be_v understand_v in_o matter_n of_o salvation_n veland_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v to_o be_v 〈◊〉_d s_o ode_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d gin_n veland_n &_o of_o faith_n &_o not_o in_o matter_n of_o ceremony_n &_o kind_n of_o government_n which_o thing_n he_o himself_o in_o plain_a word_n declare_v in_o his_o book_n de_fw-fr virginibus_fw-la velandis_fw-la where_o in_o like_a manner_n after_o he_o have_v recite_v this_o rule_n of_o faith_n he_o add_v this_o law_n of_o aith_v remain_v other_o thing_n of_o discipline_n &_o conversation_n admit_v newness_n of_o correction_n the_o grace_n of_o god_n work_v and_o go_v forward_o even_o to_o the_o end_n so_o that_o tertullian_n think_v that_o matter_n of_o ceremony_n and_o discipline_n may_v be_v alter_v y_o e_fw-la rule_n of_o faith_n remain_v 〈◊〉_d notwithstanding_o his_o former_a rule_n if_o you_o will_v not_o have_v this_o to_o be_v the_o meaning_n of_o tertullian_n then_o will_v i_o reason_v thus_o 〈◊〉_d the_o reason_n of_o the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d
error_n theodorete_n therefore_o mean_v heresy_n he_o mean_v not_o hypocrisy_n there_o be_v not_o one_o heretic_n in_o all_o his_o bishopric_n he_o do_v not_o say_v one_o hypocrite_n or_o evil_a man_n so_o that_o you_o be_v far_o wide_a and_o do_v theodorete_a double_a injury_n for_o you_o do_v both_o slander_v he_o and_o misconstrue_v he_o chap._n 3._o the._n 68_o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 89._o sect._n 3_o now_o that_o it_o may_v appear_v what_o great_a likelihood_n there_o be_v between_o this_o theodoret_n and_o our_o lord_n bishop_n and_o archbishop_n it_o be_v to_o be_v consider_v which_o he_o write_v of_o himself_o in_o the_o epistle_n unto_o leo_n that_o be_v that_o he_o have_v be_v 26._o year_n bishop_n be_v know_v of_o all_o those_o that_o dwell_v in_o those_o part_n that_o he_o have_v never_o house_n of_o his_o own_o nor_o field_n nor_o halfepenn_v e_o not_o so_o much_o as_o a_o place_n to_o be_v bury_v in_o but_o have_v willing_o content_v himself_o with_o a_o poor_a 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question_n soon_o decide_v and_o you_o make_v it_o no_o such_o commandment_n but_o that_o upon_o occasion_n it_o may_v be_v alter_v in_o deed_n the_o word_n of_o christ_n do_v signify_v that_o the_o cup_n of_o the_o supper_n and_o the_o whole_a supper_n be_v common_a to_o all_o as_o well_o of_o the_o laiety_n as_o we_o term_v they_o as_o of_o the_o clergy_n but_o it_o do_v not_o prescribe_v what_o number_n shall_v be_v present_a at_o every_o several_a communion_n i_o do_v not_o excuse_v those_o that_o withdraw_v themselves_o from_o that_o supper_n except_o it_o be_v upon_o necessary_a and_o just_a occasion_n but_o i_o deny_v that_o the_o negligence_n or_o lawful_a occasion_n of_o some_o aught_o to_o hinder_v or_o stay_v other_o from_o communicate_v this_o you_o shall_v have_v prove_v but_o you_o do_v not_o and_o your_o caution_n and_o exception_n which_o i_o very_o well_o allow_v declare_v the_o contrary_n chap._n 6._o the._n 11._o division_n t._n c._n page_n 117._o sect._n 3_o but_o it_o may_v be_v object_v that_o in_o this_o point_n the_o book_n of_o common_a prayer_n be_v not_o in_o fault_n which_o do_v not_o only_o not_o forbid_v that_o all_o the_o church_n shall_v receyve_v together_o but_o also_o by_o a_o good_a and_o godly_a exhortation_n move_v those_o that_o be_v present_a that_o they_o shall_v not_o depart_v but_o communicate_v altogether_o it_o be_v true_a that_o it_o do_v not_o forbid_v and_o that_o there_o be_v godly_a exhortation_n for_o that_o purpose_n but_o that_o i_o say_v be_v not_o enough_o for_o neither_o shall_v it_o suffer_v that_o three_o or_o four_o shall_v have_v a_o communion_n by_o themselves_o so_o many_o be_v in_o the_o church_n meet_v to_o receyve_v and_o to_o who_o the_o supper_n of_o the_o lord_n do_v of_o like_a right_a apperteyne_a and_o it_o ought_v to_o provide_v that_o those_o which_o will_v withdraw_v themselves_o shall_v be_v by_o ecclesiastical_a discipline_n at_o all_o time_n and_o now_o also_o under_o a_o godly_a prince_n 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shall_v be_v cut_v of_o from_o among_o the_o people_n of_o god_n therefore_o this_o neglect_n or_o contempt_n rather_o of_o the_o lord_n supper_n ought_v to_o be_v punish_v with_o no_o less_o punishment_n especial_o when_o as_o after_o the_o church_n have_v proceed_v in_o that_o order_n which_o our_o saviour_n christ_n appoint_v of_o admonish_v they_o be_v not_o sorry_a for_o their_o fault_n and_o promise_v amendment_n and_o that_o this_o be_v the_o custom_n of_o the_o church_n it_o may_v appear_v by_o 9_o conc._n apo._n can._n 9_o the._n 9_o of_o those_o cannon_n which_o be_v father_v of_o the_o apostle_n where_o it_o be_v decree_v that_o all_o the_o faithful_a that_o enter_v into_o the_o congregation_n and_o hear_v the_o scripture_n read_v and_o do_v not_o tarry_v out_o the_o prayer_n and_o the_o holy_a communion_n shall_v be_v as_o those_o which_o be_v cause_n s_o of_o disorder_n in_o the_o church_n separate_v from_o the_o church_n or_o as_o it_o be_v translate_v of_o a_o other_o deprive_v of_o the_o communion_n also_o in_o the_o council_n of_o braccara_n it_o be_v decree_v that_o if_o any_o enter_v into_o the_o church_n of_o god_n hear_v the_o scripture_n 2._o con._n 2._o bracca_n cap._n 83._o they_o 2._o and_o afterward_o of_o wantonness_n or_o losenesse_n withdraw_v himself_o from_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o sacrament_n and_o so_o break_v the_o rule_n of_o discipline_n in_o the_o reverend_a sacrament_n shall_v be_v put_v out_o of_o the_o church_n till_o such_o time_n as_o he_o have_v by_o good_a fruit_n declare_v his_o repentance_n io._n whitgifte_n i_o do_v not_o much_o disagree_v from_o this_o save_v that_o i_o see_v no_o reason_n that_o three_o or_o four_o shall_v be_v debar_v from_o so_o comfortable_a and_o fruteful_a a_o sacrament_n either_o for_o the_o negligence_n or_o necessary_a impediment_n of_o other_o except_o also_o your_o
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prince_n must_v needs_o be_v of_o some_o peculiar_a church_n and_o congregation_n and_o therefore_o subject_a to_o the_o signiory_n of_o that_o church_n except_o it_o please_v master_n pastor_n who_o be_v the_o chief_a and_o the_o rest_n of_o his_o neighbour_n the_o parishioner_n to_o elect_v the_o prince_n into_o the_o signiory_n and_o make_v he_o one_o of_o they_o and_o yet_o must_v the_o pastor_n be_v his_o superior_a and_o have_v authority_n to_o call_v he_o to_o consultation_n and_o to_o direct_v he_o in_o matter_n of_o discipline_n and_o whether_o he_o will_v or_o no_o he_o must_v be_v order_v and_o rule_v by_o the_o pastor_n and_o most_o part_n of_o the_o senior_n and_o yet_o now_o i_o remember_v myself_o the_o prince_n can_v be_v of_o the_o signiory_n for_o t._n c._n all_o ttle_o 1._o pa._n 146._o sect_n 1._o after_o grant_v that_o his_o senior_n be_v not_o lay_v man_n but_o ecclesiastic_a will_v so_o that_o indeed_o the_o prince_n must_v be_v a_o servant_n no_o master_n a_o subject_n no_o prince_n under_o government_n no_o governoure_n in_o matter_n perteyn_a to_o the_o church_n and_o lest_o any_o man_n shall_v think_v that_o this_o be_v but_o my_o collection_n though_o it_o be_v most_o gualther_n gualther_n true_a and_o i_o will_v justify_v it_o so_o to_o be_v i_o have_v she_o wed_v before_o that_o which_o m._n gualther_n affirm_v upon_o the._n 1._o cor._n 5._o as_o he_o also_o do_v upon_o the._n 12._o chapter_n of_o the_o same_o epistle_n say_v there_o be_v some_o which_o according_a to_o the_o example_n of_o the_o old_a and_o primitive_a church_n will_v have_v senior_n and_o a_o ecclesiastical_a senate_n that_o shall_v have_v authority_n over_o magistrate_n if_o they_o at_o any_o time_n do_v not_o their_o duty_n and_o in_o deed_n this_o be_v one_o of_o the_o chief_a cause_n why_o our_o man_n will_v so_o glad_o have_v a_o signiory_n for_o they_o will_v glad_o be_v in_o hand_n with_o magistrate_n to_o make_v they_o stoop_v and_o bow_v down_o unto_o they_o the_o three_o point_n be_v in_o this_o that_o he_o will_v have_v the_o government_n of_o the_o common_a wealth_n monarchte_n the_o replyer_n seek_v the_o verthrow_n of_o monarchte_n and_o the_o common_a wealth_n itself_o frame_v to_o the_o church_n and_o the_o government_n thereof_o as_o the_o hang_n be_v make_v fit_a for_o the_o house_n whereby_o as_o it_o may_v seem_v he_o will_v have_v all_o monarchy_n overthrow_v and_o reduce_v either_o to_o a_o popular_a or_o a_o aristocratical_a estate_n for_o these_o two_o kind_n of_o government_n he_o only_o allow_v of_o in_o the_o church_n as_o it_o appear_v by_o that_o which_o he_o have_v thereof_o oltener_n than_o once_o or_o twice_o speak_v before_o now_o the_o law_n of_o man_n will_v bear_v this_o i_o know_v not_o but_o i_o be_o well_o assure_v the_o 〈◊〉_d christ_n &_o the_o gospel_n o_o enin_n les_fw-fr so_o 〈◊〉_d law_n of_o god_n will_v not_o suffer_v it_o for_o christ_n come_v not_o to_o overthrow_v kind_n of_o government_n and_o civil_a policy_n neither_o do_v the_o gospel_n dissolve_v kingdom_n for_o s._n peter_n say_v 1._o epist._n 2._o proinde_fw-la subditiestote_fw-la cuivis_fw-la ordinationi_fw-la umanae_fw-la propter_fw-la dominum_fw-la sive_fw-la reg_n 1._o 2._o 1._o pet._n 2._o etc._n etc._n submit_v yourselves_o unto_o all_o manner_n ordinance_n of_o man_n for_o the_o lord_n sake_n whether_o it_o be_v unto_o the_o king_n as_o to_o the_o superior_a and_o so_o paul_n 1._o tim._n 2._o to_o the_o exhort_v he_o to_o pray_v for_o 2._o 1._o timo._n 2._o king_n which_o he_o will_v not_o have_v do_v if_o the_o state_n of_o a_o kingdom_n can_v not_o agree_v with_o the_o state_n of_o the_o church_n but_o i_o will_v not_o amplify_v this_o matter_n let_v such_o consider_v of_o it_o to_o who_o it_o do_v special_o perteine_a this_o be_v your_o reason_n to_o prove_v that_o the_o government_n of_o the_o common_a wealth_n aught_o to_o be_v frame_v according_a to_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n because_o 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no_o other_o fault_n if_o there_o be_v no_o other_o sin_n which_o may_v condemn_v they_o but_o only_o have_v commit_v this_o fact_n and_o for_o the_o same_o have_v receive_v the_o punishment_n due_a by_o the_o law_n the_o lord_n will_v not_o punish_v one_o thing_n twice_o for_o they_o have_v receive_v the_o reward_n for_o their_o sin_n and_o the_o pain_n for_o their_o offence_n be_v finish_v and_o for_o this_o cause_n be_v not_o this_o kind_n of_o commandment_n cruel_a as_o the_o heretic_n affirm_v accuse_v the_o law_n of_o god_n and_o deny_v that_o there_o be_v any_o kind_n of_o humanity_n in_o it_o but_o it_o be_v full_a of_o mercy_n because_o hereby_o the_o people_n shall_v rather_o be_v purge_v from_o their_o sin_n than_o condemn_v but_o now_o there_o be_v no_o punishment_n lay_v upon_o the_o body_n nor_o any_o purge_n of_o sin_n through_o corporal_a punishment_n but_o through_o repentance_n which_o if_o a_o man_n do_v worthy_o work_v so_o that_o he_o may_v seem_v worthy_a to_o have_v the_o punishment_n withdraw_v he_o may_v find_v forgiveness_n but_o howsoever_o this_o answer_n of_o cyrill_n may_v in_o some_o point_n minister_v occasion_n of_o quarrel_v to_o such_o as_o be_v dispose_v yet_o this_o be_v evident_a that_o the_o quantity_n of_o sin_n &_o the_o heynousnesse_n of_o it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v esteem_v according_a to_o the_o corporal_a and_o external_a punishment_n but_o according_a to_o the_o commandment_n of_o god_n to_o the_o which_o it_o be_v repugnant_a and_o according_a to_o the_o threaten_n of_o god_n in_o the_o scripture_n pronounce_v against_o the_o same_o for_o we_o see_v that_o lesser_a fault_n be_v by_o man_n punish_v with_o great_a torment_n even_o according_a to_o the_o state_n of_o every_o country_n and_o this_o smell_v not_o one_o whit_n of_o the_o manichee_n heresy_n but_o the_o clean_a contrary_n neither_o do_v i_o make_v this_o difference_n betwixt_o the_o severity_n of_o the_o law_n and_o lenity_n of_o the_o gospel_n in_o any_o other_o respect_n than_o of_o temporal_a punishment_n appoint_v in_o the_o law_n the_o place_n of_o zacharie_n do_v not_o make_v for_o your_o purpose_n except_o you_o will_v give_v to_o the_o 13._o the_o true_a mea_fw-la ning_n of_o zachary_a 13._o parent_n power_n of_o life_n and_o death_n over_o their_o son_n and_o daughter_n and_o give_v liberty_n for_o one_o private_a man_n to_o kill_v another_o the_o prophet_n in_o that_o place_n declare_v what_o zeal_n shall_v be_v in_o the_o people_n against_o false_a prophet_n &_o how_o much_o they_o shall_v prefer_v the_o true_a religion_n of_o god_n before_o their_o own_o natural_a affection_n and_o rather_o forsake_v their_o child_n yea_o hate_v they_o and_o kill_v they_o than_o by_o their_o mean_n they_o shall_v be_v withdraw_v from_o god_n this_o be_v the_o true_a meaning_n of_o that_o place_n if_o you_o will_v refer_v it_o to_o the_o time_n of_o the_o gospel_n but_o if_o you_o will_v apply_v it_o to_o the_o israelite_n to_o who_o this_o prophet_n now_o preach_v &_o prophesi_v then_o do_v he_o declare_v unto_o they_o what_o zeal_n and_o fervency_n god_n require_v in_o they_o if_o they_o true_o repent_v they_o of_o their_o former_a idolatry_n even_o that_o they_o shall_v not_o spare_v their_o own_o child_n but_o deal_v with_o they_o according_a to_o the_o law_n deu._n 13._o ver_fw-la 6._o etc._n etc._n m._n luther_n expound_v this_o place_n and_o refer_v it_o to_o the_o time_n of_o the_o gospel_n luther_n luther_n say_v thus_o et_fw-la est_fw-la haec_fw-la sententiae_fw-la summa_fw-la etc._n etc._n the_o sum_n hereof_o be_v that_o christian_n shall_v retain_v &_o defend_v true_a and_o pure_a doctrine_n without_o respect_n of_o any_o person_n whether_o it_o be_v his_o kinsman_n or_o friend_n for_o it_o be_v necessary_a that_o there_o shall_v be_v false_a doctrine_n and_o heresy_n that_o the_o truth_n may_v be_v try_v but_o yet_o they_o shall_v not_o have_v the_o upper_a hand_n or_o prevail_v and_o interpret_n these_o word_n his_o father_n and_o his_o mother_n that_o beget_v he_o shall_v thrust_v he_o through_o when_o he_o prophesi_v he_o say_v id_fw-la est_fw-la non_fw-fr ferreis_n aut_fw-la aereis_fw-la armis_fw-la &_o gladijs_fw-la ipsum_fw-la conficient_fw-la sed_fw-la verbo_fw-la dei_fw-la erit_fw-la enim_fw-la spiritual_fw-la &_o suave_v certamen_fw-la quale_fw-la est_fw-la parentum_fw-la cum_fw-la suis_fw-la liberis_fw-la sicut_fw-la &_o diws_o paulus_n corinthios_n confodit_fw-la &_o ipsorum_fw-la errores_fw-la verbo_fw-la dei_fw-la reprehendit_fw-la that_o be_v to_o say_v they_o shall_v destroy_v he_o not_o with_o iron_n or_o brazen_a armour_n and_o weapon_n but_o with_o the_o word_n of_o god_n for_o the_o strife_n shall_v be_v spiritual_a and_o pleasant_a such_o as_o be_v between_o parent_n and_o their_o child_n like_v as_o saint_n paul_n do_v pierce_v through_o the_o
neither_o so_o strange_a nor_o so_o untrue_a as_o you_o will_v seem_v to_o make_v the_o reader_n believe_v i_o have_v set_v down_o those_o author_n which_o have_v teach_v i_o so_o to_o say_v bullinger_n upon_o the_o same_o place_n say_v thus_o caeterum_fw-la dictio_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d ita_fw-la ponitur_fw-la ut_fw-la velsuffragijs_fw-la populi_fw-la delectos_fw-la esse_fw-la vel_fw-la manuum_fw-la impositione_n inauguratos_fw-la intelligere_fw-la possimus_fw-la but_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v so_o place_v that_o we_o may_v understande_v either_o that_o they_o be_v choose_v by_o the_o voice_n of_o the_o people_n or_o ordain_v by_o the_o lay_n on_o of_o hand_n m._n caluine_n upon_o the_o same_o place_n have_v these_o word_n verbum_fw-la graecum_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d significat_fw-la caluin_n caluin_n aliquid_fw-la manibus_fw-la sublatis_fw-la discernere_fw-la qualiter_fw-la in_o commitijs_fw-la populi_fw-la fieri_fw-la solet_fw-la scriptores_fw-la tamen_fw-la ecclesiastici_fw-la nomen_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d alio_fw-la sensu_fw-la usurpant_fw-la nempè_fw-la pro_fw-la solenni_fw-la ordinationis_fw-la ritu_fw-la qui_fw-la in_o scripture_n voco_fw-la manuum_fw-la impositio_fw-la the_o greek_a word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d signify_v to_o determine_v some_o thing_n by_o hold_v up_o of_o hand_n according_a as_o it_o be_v usual_a in_o the_o assembly_n and_o election_n of_o the_o people_n notwithstanding_o the_o ecclesiastical_a writer_n use_v this_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o a_o other_o sense_n for_o the_o solemn_a manner_n of_o order_v which_o in_o the_o scripture_n be_v call_v the_o lay_v on_o of_o hand_n and_o this_o say_n of_o m._n caluine_n have_v marlorat_n also_o write_v in_o his_o collection_n as_o allow_v the_o same_o the_o same_o m._n caluine_n instit_fw-la cap._n 8._o sect._n 65._o sequitur_fw-la iam_fw-la ut_fw-la tractemus_fw-la etc._n etc._n it_o follow_v now_o that_o we_o shall_v entreat_v of_o the_o manner_n whereby_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n be_v place_v in_o their_o office_n this_o the_o latiniste_n call_v order_n or_o consecration_n the_o grecian_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o sometime_o also_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d although_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v proper_o call_v that_o kind_n of_o election_n wherein_o the_o voice_n be_v signify_v by_o lift_v up_o of_o hand_n gualther_n gualther_n likewise_o gualther_n upon_o the_o fourtéenth_n of_o the_o act_n deinde_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d mentionem_fw-la facit_fw-la lucas_n etc._n etc._n furthermore_o luke_n make_v mention_n of_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d by_o the_o which_o not_o only_o the_o gather_n of_o voice_n but_o also_o the_o lay_v on_o of_o hand_n which_o be_v a_o sign_n of_o consecration_n may_v be_v signify_v and_o sure_o the_o latter_a seem_v most_o conveniente_a for_o it_o be_v not_o likely_a that_o the_o apostle_n will_v depart_v from_o that_o order_n which_o we_o see_v to_o have_v be_v observe_v in_o the_o election_n of_o mathias_n and_o permit_v any_o thing_n to_o the_o judgement_n of_o man_n which_o in_o voice_n oftentimes_o come_v to_o pass_v see_v that_o they_o stir_v up_o the_o whole_a church_n to_o prayer_n and_o fast_v thus_o than_o you_o see_v that_o the_o matter_n be_v nothing_o so_o strange_a as_o you_o make_v it_o for_o all_o these_o learned_a writer_n affirm_v as_o much_o touch_v the_o acceptation_n of_o this_o word_n as_o i_o have_v do_v and_o if_o you_o will_v give_v i_o leave_v to_o allege_v the_o canon_n attribute_v to_o the_o apostle_n as_o you_o do_v i_o will_v find_v it_o there_o take_v in_o thesame_a signification_n also_o for_o in_o 2._o can._n apost_n 1._o &_o 2._o the_o first_o canon_n it_o be_v thus_o write_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d let_v a_o bishop_n be_v ordain_v of_o two_o or_o three_o bishop_n and_o in_o the_o second_o can._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d let_v a_o minister_n be_v ordain_v of_o one_o bishop_n you_o can_v not_o deny_v but_o that_o the_o old_a translation_n and_o commentary_n also_o make_v only_a mention_n of_o elect_v and_o ordain_v and_o not_o of_o elect_v or_o ordain_v by_o voice_n oecumenius_n in_o his_o commentary_n upon_o this_o place_n do_v affirm_v that_o paul_n and_o barnabas_n do_v create_v and_o ordain_v they_o so_o do_v other_o likewise_o and_o howesoever_o the_o word_n in_o chrysostome_n be_v translate_v yet_o chrysostome_n give_v no_o signification_n in_o his_o act._n chaysost_n in_o 14._o in_o act._n commentary_n that_o his_o meaning_n be_v so_o but_o hom._n 14_o in_o act._n he_o write_v thus_o vide_fw-la quomodò_fw-la scriptor_n etc._n etc._n mark_v how_o the_o writer_n be_v not_o superfluous_a for_o he_o do_v not_o declare_v how_o but_o he_o simple_o declare_v that_o they_o be_v ordain_v by_o prayer_n for_o this_o in_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d ordinatio_fw-la that_o be_v to_o say_v ordain_v the_o hand_n be_v 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se_fw-la non_fw-la apponit_fw-la cum_fw-la possit_fw-la consentire_fw-la intelligitur_fw-la he_o be_v think_v to_o consent_v in_o a_o public_a business_n which_o do_v not_o withstand_v when_o he_o may_v i_o think_v your_o complaint_n for_o lack_v of_o book_n be_v without_o cause_n &_o very_o unlykely_a it_o be_v to_o be_v true_a all_o thing_n considere_v how_o so_o ever_o m._n caluine_n or_o m._n bullinger_n do_v take_v that_o word_n themselves_o yet_o have_v they_o affirm_v as_o much_o of_o the_o other_o signification_n as_o i_o have_v do_v and_o therefore_o the_o more_o like_a to_o be_v true_a neither_o have_v you_o as_o yet_o allege_v any_o thing_n that_o can_v prove_v the_o contrary_n you_o may_v not_o teach_v the_o holy_a ghost_n how_o to_o speak_v neither_o must_v you_o in_o such_o matter_n use_v so_o light_a and_o vain_a reason_n neither_o m._n bullinger_n nor_o m._n caluine_n disallow_v that_o signification_n or_o go_v about_o to_o confute_v it_o and_o you_o yourself_o confess_v that_o the_o greek_a ecclesiastical_a writer_n have_v semetyme_o use_v it_o so_o as_o in_o deed_n they_o common_o do_v which_o may_v easy_o be_v understand_v by_o that_o that_o i_o have_v hitherto_o speak_v he_o that_o lay_v his_o hand_n upon_o a_o man_n head_n do_v lyfte_v they_o up_o be_v fore_o he_o can_v lay_v they_o on_o and_o therefore_o you_o do_v but_o trifle_v in_o make_v so_o much_o a_o do_v about_o hold_v up_o and_o lay_v down_o there_o be_v other_o weorde_n i_o grant_v to_o express_v this_o ceremony_n of_o lay_v on_o of_o hand_n and_o i_o know_v that_o luke_n and_o paul_n do_v use_v a_o other_o word_n for_o the_o same_o and_o the_o septuagint_n in_o like_o manner_n but_o what_o be_v all_o this_o to_o the_o purpose_n what_o can_v you_o conclude_v hereof_o be_v this_o sufficient_a to_o prove_v that_o this_o word_n therefore_o in_o this_o place_n may_v not_o signify_v the_o same_o be_v these_o bare_a conjecture_n sufficient_a to_o improve_v so_o many_o learned_a man_n judgement_n i_o do_v not_o say_v that_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d do_v signify_v only_o the_o bare_a ceremony_n of_o lay_v on_o of_o hand_n but_o the_o whole_a solemnity_n of_o create_a minister_n which_o be_v also_o sometime_o signify_v by_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d as_o namely_o 1._o ti._n 9_o but_o saint_n luke_n when_o he_o use_v in_o other_o place_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d he_o do_v use_v it_o in_o the_o bare_a signification_n of_o lay_v on_o of_o hand_n and_o not_o for_o any_o other_o rite_n or_o solemnity_n as_o he_o do_v this_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o this_o place_n and_o therefore_o you_o do_v petere_fw-la principium_fw-la when_o you_o frame_v your_o proof_n as_o though_o it_o be_v affirm_v or_o grant_v that_o saint_n luke_n by_o this_o word_n shall_v mean_v only_o the_o bare_a ceremony_n of_o imposition_n of_o hand_n himself_o t._n c._n bring_v a_o
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tell_v you_o the_o truth_n it_o may_v be_v use_v in_o place_n where_o there_o be_v no_o government_n no_o law_n no_o form_n of_o a_o common_a wealth_n no_o order_n but_o in_o a_o kingdom_n in_o a_o church_n und_fw-ge r_o civil_a government_n in_o a_o place_n of_o order_n etc._n etc._n it_o be_v the_o very_a high_a way_n to_o subversion_n and_o confusion_n chap._n 3._o the._n 46._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 85._o sect._n 1_o and_o if_o any_o man_n will_v call_v this_o ▪_o this_o and_o what_o scripture_n hau_o you_o for_o this_o ▪_o a_o rule_n or_o presidentship_n and_o he_o that_o execute_v this_o office_n precedent_n or_o moderator_n or_o a_o governor_n we_o will_v not_o strive_v so_o that_o it_o be_v with_o these_o caution_n that_o he_o be_v not_o call_v simple_o governor_n or_o moderator_n but_o governor_n or_o moderator_n of_o that_o action_n and_o for_o that_o time_n and_o subject_a to_o the_o order_n that_o other_o be_v and_o to_o be_v censure_v by_o the_o company_n of_o the_o 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church_n be_v so_o great_a and_o the_o people_n so_o many_o that_o he_o can_v be_v hear_v of_o they_o than_o there_o ought_v to_o be_v some_o regard_n thereof_o s._n luke_n tell_v what_o s._n peter_n do_v in_o the_o congregation_n he_o do_v not_o prescribe_v any_o general_a rule_n every_o circumstance_n that_o be_v tell_v in_o the_o scripture_n be_v not_o straightway_o to_o be_v make_v a_o inviolable_a rule_n of_o all_o man_n to_o be_v follow_v the_o place_n be_v not_o material_a so_o that_o it_o be_v such_o as_o the_o people_n may_v well_o hear_v and_o understande_v that_o which_o be_v read_v and_o preach_v concern_v the_o lesson_n which_o be_v to_o be_v read_v the_o book_n prescribe_v no_o place_n only_o it_o will_v the_o minister_n to_o stand_v and_o to_o turn_v he_o so_o as_o he_o may_v best_o be_v hear_v of_o all_o such_o as_o be_v present_a and_o be_v you_o offend_v at_o that_o neither_o do_v you_o â—_o book_n appoint_v any_o certain_a place_n for_o the_o le_fw-fr any_o to_o be_v 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have_v find_v out_o marvelous_a weighty_a and_o witty_a reason_n against_o the_o whole_a lyturgie_n or_o the_o most_o part_n of_o it_o and_o the_o fault_n you_o have_v note_v be_v very_o many_o and_o exceed_a great_a but_o have_v you_o no_o conscience_n in_o call_v good_a evil_n or_o be_v you_o not_o afraid_a upon_o so_o light_a quarrel_n to_o make_v such_o a_o schism_n in_o the_o church_n and_o to_o bring_v so_o worthy_a a_o book_n into_o so_o great_a contempt_n well_o you_o will_v one_o day_n be_v better_a advise_v i_o doubt_v not_o which_o true_o i_o wish_v for_o and_o hope_v for_o how_o uncourteous_o so_o ever_o you_o have_v use_v i_o that_o which_o m_n doctor_n say_v so_o unskilful_o and_o unlike_o a_o divine_a he_o have_v learn_v of_o better_a and_o more_o skilful_a divine_n than_o either_o of_o we_o both_o be_v that_o be_v of_o ambrose_n and_o of_o caluine_n for_o the_o one_o say_v omne_fw-la verum_fw-la à _fw-la quocunque_fw-la dicitur_fw-la à _fw-la spiritu_fw-la sancto_fw-la est_fw-la all_o truth_n of_o 37._o 〈◊〉_d in_o â–ª_o â–ª_o mat._n vers_fw-la 37._o who_o soever_o it_o be_v speak_v be_v of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n the_o other_o purus_fw-la est_fw-la multarum_fw-la erum_fw-la usus_fw-la quarum_fw-la vitiosa_fw-la est_fw-la origo_fw-la the_o use_n of_o many_o thing_n be_v pure_a who_o beginning_n be_v vicious_a and_o unpure_a but_o m._n doctor_n bare_a affirmation_n if_o he_o have_v so_o use_v it_o be_v of_o as_o good_a credit_n as_o your_o bare_a negation_n but_o when_o he_o have_v learned_a man_n of_o his_o opinion_n and_o judgement_n for_o you_o thus_o to_o shift_v it_o of_o be_v but_o to_o bewray_v your_o unablenesse_n to_o disprove_v it_o either_o by_o authority_n or_o reason_n you_o shall_v at_o the_o least_o have_v make_v true_a repor_fw-la e_o of_o my_o word_n which_o you_o have_v not_o do_v but_o deal_v therein_o according_a to_o your_o accustom_a manner_n for_o my_o word_n be_v the_o se._n fol._n 82._o it_o make_v no_o matter_n of_o who_o it_o be_v invent_v in_o sect_n pag._n 82._o sect_n what_o book_n it_o be_v contain_v so_o that_o it_o be_v good_a and_o profitable_a and_o con_v onant_n to_o god_n word_n and_o you_o report_v they_o thus_o whence_o soever_o this_o or_o that_o come_v so_o it_o be_v not_o evil_a it_o may_v be_v well_o establish_v in_o the_o church_n of_o christ._n if_o you_o have_v the_o truth_n why_o do_v you_o thus_o go_v about_o to_o maintain_v it_o with_o lie_n in_o so_o do_v you_o hurt_v not_o i_o but_o yourself_o and_o your_o cause_n ¶_o a_o examination_n of_o the_o particular_a fault_n either_o in_o matter_n or_o form_n wherewith_o the_o book_n of_o common_a prayer_n be_v charge_v chap._n 2._o the._n 1._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 105._o sect._n 3_o now_o i_o come_v to_o the_o form_n of_o prayer_n which_o be_v prescribe_v wherein_o the_o author_n of_o the_o admonition_n declare_v that_o their_o meaning_n be_v not_o to_o disallow_v of_o prescript_n service_n of_o prayer_n but_o of_o this_o foe_n rme_n 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8._o 26_o 1._o tim._n 1._o 2_o move_v they_o so_o they_o pour_v forth_o hearty_a supplication_n to_o the_o lord_n now_o they_o be_v find_v of_o necessity_n to_o a_o seven_o a_o damasus_n the_o first_o inventor_n of_o this_o stuff_n well_o further_v by_o gregory_n the_o seven_o prescripte_n order_n of_o service_n and_o book_n of_o common_a prayer_n answer_v to_o the_o admonition_n pag._n 77._o sect._n 3_o to_o prove_v that_o minister_n be_v not_o so_o tie_v to_o any_o form_n of_o prayer_n invent_v by_o man_n but_o that_o as_o the_o spirit_n move_v they_o etc._n etc._n you_o quote_v rom._n 8._o &_o the_o 1._o timo._n 1._o in_o the_o eight_o to_o the_o roman_n the_o word_n be_v these_o likewise_o also_o the_o spirit_n help_v our_o infirmity_n for_o we_o know_v not_o what_o to_o pray_v as_o we_o ought_v but_o the_o spirit_n itself_o make_v request_n for_o we_o with_o fighe_n which_o can_v be_v express_v this_o place_n speak_v nothing_o against_o any_o prescript_n form_n of_o prayer_n for_o 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that_o doubt_v chap._n 2._o the._n 10._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 107._o sect._n 2._o in_o the_o collect_v upon_o the_o twelve_o sunday_n after_o trinity_n sunday_n and_o likewise_o in_o one_o of_o those_o which_o be_v to_o be_v say_v after_o the_o offertory_n as_o it_o be_v term_v be_v do_v request_n be_v make_v that_o god_n will_v give_v those_o thing_n which_o we_o for_o our_o unworthynesse_n be_v not_o ask_v for_o it_o carry_v with_o it_o still_o the_o note_n of_o the_o popy_n she_o servile_a fear_n and_o savour_v not_o of_o that_o confidence_n and_o reverend_a fam_fw-la liaritie_n that_o the_o child_n of_o god_n have_v through_o christ_n with_o their_o heavenly_a father_n for_o as_o we_o dare_v not_o without_o our_o saviour_n christ_n ask_v so_o much_o as_o a_o crumb_n of_o bread_n so_o there_o be_v nothing_o which_o in_o his_o name_n we_o be_v not_o ask_v be_v needful_a for_o we_o and_o if_o it_o be_v not_o needful_a why_o shall_v we_o ask_v it_o io._n whitgifte_n i_o pray_v you_o whether_o do_v he_o prayer_n of_o the_o pharisey_n that_o so_o extol_v himself_o prayer_n humiliti_fw-la 〈◊〉_d prayer_n or_o of_o the_o publican_n that_o so_o humble_a himself_o like_o you_o better_o belike_o you_o prefer_v the_o 18._o luc._n 18._o pharisy_n prayer_n else_o will_v you_o never_o find_v fault_n with_o we_o for_o acknowledge_v our_o own_o unworthynesse_n which_o be_v the_o root_n and_o ground_n of_o humility_n one_o of_o the_o principal_a ornament_n of_o prayer_n we_o be_v not_o worthy_a of_o the_o least_o benefit_n that_o god_n bestow_v upon_o we_o and_o therefore_o duty_n require_v that_o we_o shall_v not_o for_o desert_n desire_v any_o thing_n at_o his_o hand_n and_o humility_n say_v that_o in_o desire_v we_o ought_v to_o acknowledge_v
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