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A93576	The hidden things of Esau brought to light, and reproved in an answer to a book intituled A true relation of a dispute between Francis Fulwood, minister of West Alvington, in the county of Devon, and Thomas Salthouse, as it is said, of the county of Westmerland, before the congregation of them called Quakers, in the house of Henry Pollexpher Esquire, in the said parish of West. Published in the truth's defence, and sent abroad in the world, to pursue the unknown authors imperfect relation. By a follower of the Lamb in the war against the Beast and false prophet, known to the world by the name of Thomas Salthouse.	Salthouse, Thomas, 1630-1691.	1657 (1657)	Wing S473; Thomason E912_4; ESTC R204852	26,539	40

least we say peace peace when sudden destruction cometh Answ Let him that nameth the name of the Lord depart from iniquity for none calls Jesus Lord but by the Holy Ghost What have you to do to take his name into your mouths and thus bend your tongues for lies and hate to be reformed upon you that are asleep will the day of the Lord come as a theif in the night even as sudden destruction from the Almighty Therefore arise and be awakened and prepare to meet the Lord by repentance that if peradventure the thoughts of your hearts may be forgiven you For the Lord hath appointed a day in the which he will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ and with equity will he plead the cause of the innocent against whom you make war and shoot your arrows in secret fear and tremble weep and howl for the misery that is coming upon you in flames of fire will God render vengeance upon his adversaries out of Heaven will he thunder upon them and they shall be even broken to peeces as the Vessel of a Potter is broken with a rod of Iron In vain do ye pot-sheards of the Earth strive to set Bryers and Thorns in battle your formed weapons cannot prosper a consumption is even determined upon the whole Earth and every mans work is to be tried by fire that the approved of God may be made manifest Can ye contend with the Almighty before whom all Nations are as the drop of a Bucket or as the small dust of the ballance Give over stop your mouths let all flesh be silent before the Lord. Come down and sit in the dust you that are high and lifted up and meet the Judge by the way Kiss the Son least he be angry and lay down your Crown at the feet of the Lamb and let the Lord be your fear and let him be your dreads and let the light of Christ in your consciences try your words and works and cease from your blinde Leaders that have used their tongues and not profited the people And while you have the light believe in the light and know while the Spirit of the Lord strives with you resist not his power lest your Bonds be made strong and you for ever shut up in utter darkness A price is put into your hands the Lord will not the death of a sinner the times of ignorance God winked at but now he calls all men every where to repent Call not this the railing discourse but take it as a Call to you and a warning from the Lord by a servant of the Truth made willing by the power of God to follow the Lamb wheresoever he goeth Thomas Salthouse Francis Fulwood TO the substance of what passed between thee and me in the discourse upon the Four and twentieth day of the Eight Moneth 1656. in the house of Henry Pollexphen which its like thou wast not unacquainted with the Printing of if no the cheifest actor I shall return something in Answer for the Truth 's vindication especially to the particulars of most concernment which I call to minde since I saw this Relation As first After I had spoken to the people that day as I was moved and directed by the Spirit of Truth then a Friend of mine being moved also stood up according to the order in the Churches of the Saints and spoke to the people then present to whom I gave liberty the spirits of the Prophets being made subject to the Prophets And as thou mayest remember thy first Objection was against her for saying Eternal life was not to be found in the Scriptures The second thing was a Quere by me propounded to thee which I yet received no satisfactory Answer unto from thee The third thing was an Objection made by thee against me for expressing as I was declaring to the people That those who are out of the Doctrine of Christ as they were then described by their fruirs and marks were such as Preach another Gospel then that which the Apostle had preached and so under the curse as it is written Gal 1. The fourth thing was about the light spoken of in Johns Declaration and something concerning Tithes Fifthly Concerning Baptism and the words thee and thou which many are offended at as they are and were given and taken by the servants of God one to another as we read in the Scriptures of Truth To these things in order as God doth direct I shall for the truths sake answer and as for the other passages in the Relation not worth the taking notice of or repeating over again I shall let them stand and wither as an untimely birth begotten by one of the adulterate generation and brought forth of the womb of consusion I might have written down a gross sum of lies but it feems the Authors were pricked at the heart when they saw what they had done and so to hide themselves have concealed their names from the visible eye of man But this Cave of earthly subtilty will not long hide them from the All-seeing eye of him with whom we have to do If thou be one of their confederacy fear and tremble before the Lord and come forth to the Light that thou mayst be proved and tried and be not thou called of men Master but learn of Jesus Christ to be meek and lowly take up his Cross and follow him and side not longer with the Chief Priests against him and his Ministers whom he hath sent forth as sheep among wolves to reprove sin in the Gates and to preach Repentance that people may be turned from the darkness to the light and from under Satans power unto God who hath appointed a day in the which he will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my Gospel To the first of these particulars I shall proceed Thy first Objection which the Book also mentions against the Woman is as follows Fulwood I Have one word first unto this woman that spake last and that is to charge her with speaking expresly against the Scripture She told us that Eternal life was not to be found in the Scriptures whereas the Apostle saith expresly that the holy Scriptures are able to make wise unto salvation Answ The Scripture is plain for what she intended John 5. Search the Scriptures for in them ye think to have eternal life and they are they that testifie of me saith Christ But ye will not come unto me that you may have life And again he saith I am the Way the Truth and the Life and he that hath the Son hath life and he that hath not the Son hath not life although he may have the Scriptures 2 Cor. 4.10 For the Minister of Christ waited for and witnessed the life of Christ manifested in his mortal Body and travailed again in birth with others till Christ the Life was formed in them I in them and they in me saith Christ John 17. And Christ in you the Hope

Here is no mention made of water in this command and besides they to whom it was given were first sent forth to teach as it is written Go teach all Nations and they abode in the doctrine of Christ and went forth as sheep among Wolves and into whatsoever City Town or Village they entred they were to inquire who was worthy and not what they might expect for a livelihood for themselves their Wives and their Children And some were sent forth not to baptize but to preach the Gospel and these were sent first to teach and preach repentance and they were to repent before they were to be baptized So that it plainly manifests That those who baptize Infan●s before they teach them or before they have repented are transgressors of this command of Christ And I also question where ever Frances Fulwood was sent either to preach or baptize for Christs Ministers were not so beggerly as to take hire for their preaching twice every Lords day or to contend or wrangle for a competent maintenance in lieu of preaching or for Tithes calling them Christs wages This manifests another spirit then was in the true Prophets Apostles and Ministers of Christ who called all to come freely without money and without price and gave freely as they had freely received But as there were false Prophets in Israel even so there are also false Prophets in England whose hearts are exercised with covercous practises and who have forsaken the right way in these last days and perilous times and many have followed their pernicious ways by reason of whom the way of truth is evil spoken of And these men in the ears of deluded people are crying up the Church and Ordinances Baptism Sacrament Preaching Praying and Singing even as the Jews did of old the Temple of the Lord the Temple of the Lord when they themselves were even destroyed for want of knowledge But the Lord hath raised up a light in the hearts of Ten thousands of his Saints whereby they are comprehended judged and condemned and turned away from them that have gotten the words without the life the form but not the power the shadow and not the substance the sign but not the seal There was indeed a time of ignorance a day that was neither clear nor dark in the which we were led aside by these dumb Idol-shepherds till God commanded the light to shine out of darkness and shined into our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glorious Gospel Church and Ordinances in the face of Jesus Christ of whom we had heard and on whom we had believed And being justified by faith we have peace with God Heb. 11.6 and without faith its impossible to please God Fulw. Faith you say is required in Baptism and that renders Infants capable thereof for though Faith be required this doth not render Infants uncapable of Baptism for children were capable of Circumcision and yet Circumcision was a sign and seal of the Righteousness of Faith Answ Their Circumcision made with hands was a sign Rom. 4. but not a seal for what saith the Scripture Abraham believed God and it was counted to him for righteousness not when he was in Circumcision but when he was in uncircumcision and he received the sign of Circumcision a seal of the righteousness of faith which he had when he was uncircumcised The Circumcision of the heart is the seal Ezek. 20.12 10. and the Circumcision with hands was the sign of that seal as the Sabbath was given to Israel for a sign of that Everlasting Sabbath which is prepared for the people of God But now neither Circumcision nor uncircumcision availeth any thing but a new Creature neither doth the figure of Water-baptism nor Sprinkling of Infants which is no figure seal nor sign avail any thing 1 Pet 3.21 but the keeping of the Commandments of God for when the Gentiles that have not the Law do by nature the things contained in the Law these having not the Law are a Law unto themselves Rom. 2. shewing the effect of the Law written in their hearts c. Therefore if the uncircumsion keep the righteousness of the Law shall not his uncircumcision be counted for Circumcision for that is not Circumcision which is outward Phil. 3.3 but that of the heart in the Spirit and not in the Letter for they onely are the Circumcision that worship God in the Spirit and have no confidence in the flesh and they only know the true Baptism that are come to the answer of a good conscience towards God by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead who are buried with him in Baptism Eph. 4.30 and quickned together with him and sealed up by the Spirit of promise until the day of redemption And if this be all the proof can be alleaged for the baptising of Infants by the Teachers of the World and their upholders the Author of this Book their Foundation is on the Sand for neither can they prove that Christ commanded to baptize Infants with water nor that it came in the room of circumcision or that it is either Sign or Seal of the Righteousness of Faith unless we should believe what they conceive or imagine for a truth which few will do that have their sences exercised by reason of use to discern between truth and error the power of godliness and the form and have had experience of the deceit of such as now are gone forth into the world Matth. 15.9 who teach for doctrine the traditions of men Something also was spoken about singing Davids Conditions in Rime and Meeter which I then opposed and denied the practise of as they were by these Poets or Fidlers Sternhold Hopkins and others Translated into English Meeter with apt Notes to be sung in the Church and Chappels so called before their Morning and Evening Prayers and Formal Preaching which while the people are singing they uncover their heads as if the Scriptures were more holy and honorable since these men perverted them by putting them into Meeter then they were before as they were spoken forth by him who was a holy man after Gods own heart inspired by the Holy Ghost But all your Songs will the Lord God of Sabbath suddenly turn into weeping and howling mourning and bitter lamentation Although for a season these men of the World whose portion is in this life may make merry over the witness and put far away the evil day who lie upon their Beds of Ivory and stretch themselves on the Couches that eat the Lambs out of the flock and the Calves out of the midst of the stall that chant to the sound of the Viol and invent to themselves instruments of Musick like David who sings lyes in the Name of the Lord calling him to witness that they are not puft in minde when they are so proud heady high-minded and scornful that without disdain they can scarcely one look upon another

and especially if any that witnesseth Davids conditions come in among them that cannot bow to their will-worship but stand a witness against them If they do not smite with the fist of wickedness they will be sure to smite with the tongue in scorn and derision with the name of Quaker or some other invented reproachful term as their forefathers who said they were of Abraham did with Christ and his Ministers that declared against their customs and traditions away with such a fellow say they It is not fit he should live upon the earth he brings in customs not lawful to be observed You that are guilty apply this to your selves and be you witnesses against your selves that you are the children of them that killed the Prophets crucified Christ and persecuted his Ministers though you may profess their words and cover your selves with their cloathing their life you are strangers unto and we are even become your enemies because we tell you the truth The last thing as it is also in the Relation was about the plain language of Scripture as thee or thou to a particular person Fulw. This is but the translation and it was indifferent for the Translators to have translated it you or thou the original will suffer either Ans Let that of God in thy conscience and all who know the original be witnesses against thee for a lier it had never been written nor translated to the natural mans understanding the original is pure even the Word of God which was in the beginning before transgression was and when the world was all of one Language before the dispersing of Babels builders And this word is the original and not the confounded Tongues and Languages of the Nations of this World that are under the vail yet untaken away and they that speak not according to this Word are such as rebel against the light and those who are in darkness call the Hebrew and Greek the Original and have erred from the right way not knowing the Scripture nor the power of God for the natural man by his faln wisdom perceives not the things of the Spirit of God and evil men and seducers are grown worse and worse Therefore it s more reason that those who are not come to a perfect understanding of the thing that was in the beginning should believe the Scripture as it is translated rather then such Dreamers and Diviners as set up their ancient Heathenish customs above the Scripture or the rule declared of in Scripture Did not God himself use the same expressions unto Adam and Adam unto him again Gen. 3. And also to Abraham and Abraham to him again Gen. 18. And likewise to Moses and Moses to him again Exod. 33. And also to Jeremiah a true Prophet and Jeremiah to him again Jere. 11. And to Jonah and Jonah to him again Jonah 4. And Christ Jesus the end of the Prophets to his Father used these expressions John 17. with a cloud of witnesses that might be instanced if it were required that this is the pure Language to one particular person Fulw. Pray let me take occasion to minde you when these expressions of thee and thou have their use in custom namely in two cases First In a way of great familiarness as to our very intimate or those much below us Secondly In way of great reverence and distance as to God and to a Prince but in neither of these senses do you use them Answ Can the Blackmoor change his skin or the Leopard his spots then may those who are accustomed to lye and to do evil be changed Although we do not use these words as a custom yet we use them with reverence and godly fear both unto God and to our Superiors Equals and Inferiors in love and familiarily and not with respect to the persons of Princes or any other that seeks honor from men And those that are our intimate friends in the truth are not offended at the expression but they that are at a distance and strangers to the Covenant of Promise and aliens to the Commonwealth of Israel cry out against us as being diverse in our Laws and Customs from all other people This is a custom not lawful to be observed say they Come let us expel them out of our coasts 1 Cor. 11.16 these contentious men we have no such custom these familiar expressions cannot be borne in our Country And therefore we deny to contend for such indifferent things as these people make conscience of who place Religion in words and even thus the brutish Pastor slights not onely the words of truth and soberness but also the weightier matters of the Law which God hath required Judgment Mercy and Humility and by their lyes and lightness have they caused many to forsake the right way and to follow their devised fables traditions and heathenish customs instead of true and sound Doctrine To the substance of what passed that day in the Dispute thus much in answer in brief for the Reasons above mentioned And where as the Relation saith one went one way and an other another way as if nothing had been spoken but in the Dispute It may be taken notice of that after Francis Fulwood and his company was gone our meeting continued a pretty season and a door of utterance was given me afterwards to speak to the people for their further satisfaction in things that lay dark as a difference between us in the dispute and something for their further information and edification and so our meeting was for the better and not for the worse and according to order the Assembly was dismist at that time Come down and sit in the dust ye Marchants of Babylon Isai 3.3 and all ye cunning Artificers and eloquent Orators that long have traded with the Saints words sit silent and get you into darkness for no more is your persons to be had in admiration because of advantage Gird your selves with Sackcloth ye Ministers of the Letter and hired Parish Teachers that have long used your tongues and said Ezek 34. Thus faith the Lord when the Lord never spoke unto you Yet have sed your selves with the fat and cloathed your selves with the wooll you have drunk of the deep wate●s and have fouled the residue with your seet and the poor of the flock have eaten that which ye have troden down and drunk that which ye have fouled with your feet Be ye ashamed O ye Husbandmen for the Seed is even rotten under the clods weep and howl ye pretended Vine-dressers for the Vineyard is over-grown with thorns bryers and fruitless Trees the day of your visitation is come the trumpet is sounded in Zion and an alarum is heard in the holy Mountain of the Lord. Let all the children of the West tremble be afraid ye sinners in Zion and let fearfulness take hold of all deceitful hypocrites the Lords controversie is against the false Prophet and Idol-shepherd the sword shall be upon his arm