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A43724	A continuation of The dialogue between a Christian and a Quaker wherein the truth of those things objected against them in the first part, are fully confirm'd : together with a further account of their perilous and pernitious errors concerning the person of Christ, His satisfaction, justification, sanctification, the ministry, and immediate motions are in this second part, cleerly and plainly represented out of the writings of some of their principal, and most approved leaders / published for the common information of such as either really are, or may be, in danger of being insnared and intangled by them by Thomas Hicks.	Hicks, Thomas, 17th cent.	1673 (1673)	Wing H1919; ESTC R21822	53,818	100

Penn Apol. p. 148. Chr. Is there no other Righteousness by which the Saints are justified then what Christ works onely in them Quak. Thou Beast to whom the Plagues of God are due and upon whom the wrath of God must be accomplish'd who wouldst have another Righteousness then that which Christ works in the Saints Edw. Burroughs Works p. 32. Chr. Is not this to disclaim the Doctrine of Justification by an imputed Righteousness Quak. Thou wrongst us and our Principle for imputative Righteousness as truly consider'd in the Scriptures we do not disclaim G. Whitehead Apol. p. 37. Chr. I have great reason to believe that G. W. dissembles in these words for in the same page he disclaims them that deny the Righteousness of Christ within for Justification and also saith That justification by the Righteousness of Christ without us is not Scripture language who will believe his complaint of wrong whilst he so apparently confesseth the truth of what is objected against you as will abundantly appear from what follows what righteousness is that upon the account of which we are justified Quak. Justification is not from the imputation of anothers Righteousness but from the actual performing and keeping of Gods righteous Statutes Pen. Sand. Found p. 25. Chr. Is it not written Rom. 5.19 By the Obedience of One many were made righteous Quak. It is a great abomination to say God should condemn and punish his innocent Son that he having satisfied for our Sins we might be justified by the imputation of his perfect Righteousness O why should this horrible thing be contended for by Christians Penn Ibid. p. 25. 30. Chr. How now Mr. Penn is the Doctrine of Christ's Sufferings for Sinners to make satisfaction to Divine Justice an horrible thing and an abomination to you do you consider what you say Quak. This I do say That the consequences of such a Doctrine is both irreligious and irrational Pen. Ibid. p. 16. Chr. What then doth the Scripture intend in saying Christ died for the ungodly Rom. 5. And he was made sin for us 2 Cor. 5. And on him was laid the Iniquities of us all Isa 53. Quak. I caution and warn men by no means to entertain this principle of Christ's dying to make satisfaction to Divine Justice by whomsoever recommended Pen. Ibid. Chr. Be free and plain with me How and in what respect is Christ said to fulfil the Law and to die for Sinners Quak. He fulfil'd the Law onely as our pattern or example Pen. Ibid. p. 26. Christ is so far from telling us of such a way of being justified as that be informs us the reason why he abode in his Fathers love was his Obedience he is so far from telling as of being justified by vertue of his Obedience imputed that unless we keep the Commands and obey for our selves In all which Christ is but our example Pen Ibid. Chr. But are men indeed justified by their own works Quak. Was not Abraham justified by works n●… must not conceive as the dark imputations of the Age that Abrahams personal offering was not a justifying Righteousness Pen. Ibid. p. 30. Chr. Was not Abraham justified before he did personally offer up Isaac ye● doth not the Scripture intimate that Abraham was not justified by works see Rom. 4.2 3 4 5 6 7. And do not you Mr. Penn elsewhere tell us That such are run into a narrow strait who venture to reconcile Merit and Grace See your caveat against Popery p. 12. where you also say That Grace is a free gift requiring nothing and now ask Was not Abraham justified by works and that good works may be said to procure deserve or obtain Apolog. 198. Is this to write like an infalible Dictator But do you really believe that Abraham's offering personally was his justifying Righteousness Quak. I do say Abraham had not the imputation of anothers Righteousness to him his personal Obedience was the ground of that just imputation Pen. Sand. Found p. 30. Chr. If Abraham was justified by works as you argue why did the Apostle onely take notice of his offering up of Isaac and not of the whole course of his Obedience If a man be justified by works before God surely it cannot be by one single action such as Abrahams offering was but by a continued holy and innocent life But is our personal Obedience the very ground and reason of Gods reckoning and accounting us righteous Quak. I do maintain that good works may be said to procure doserve or obtain in which sense without good works there is no acceptance with God and Abrahams personal offering was the ground of that just imputation Penn. God accepts not any where there is any failing or who do not fulfil the Law and answer every demand of Justice Edw. Burroughs supra Chr. Then the ground of our rejoycing and acceptance is not in and from the Righteousness of another viz. of Christ imputed to us by Faith but onely in a righteousness inherent in us and done by us Quak. The Doctrine of rejoycing and acceptance from the works of another is utterly excluded Pen. Sandy Found p. 27. Chr. Doth not this render the undertakings of Jesus Christ as a Mediatour and Surety a meer fancy If the ground of a mans rejoycing be in himself why doth the Apostle give it as the Character and property of a true Christian to rejoyce in Christ Jesus Phil. 3. And what signifie those words Christ is made unto us Righteousness wherefore let him that glorieth glory in the Lord 1 Cor. 1.30 31. And what did the Prophet Isaiah intend cap. 45 24 25. Surely shall one say in the Lord have I Righteousness in the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified and shall glory Are we no farther concern'd in the Obedience and Sufferings of our Lord Jesus without us then onely as our example or pattern Quak. What more wouldst thou have I have told thee That Christ fulfil'd the Law but onely as our example Chr. Do you not then notoriously equivocate and dissemble when you say That Christs Birth Blood Offering Death Mediatourship Covenant his being Priest Prophet and King is owned according to the Scriptures and all the Prophesies of him Innocency with open face p. 38. Is the owning of Christ onely as our example all that the Scriptures and Prophesies of him signifie Can you imitate him in his Mediatourship can you lay down your lives and take them up again Have you the same fulness of the Godhead in you he had that you can follow him in the same Obedience Can you execute the Office of Priest Prophet and King in the same manner and perfection which Christ did and doth We know very well how ever you palliate you believe no such thing that your words seem to import For when you talk of Christs Birth Blood Death c. you intend no more but the light in you in its variety of manifestations therefore if possibly thou canst answer directly what

Christ dwells in another manner in the Saints then once he did amongst them which is as much as to say Christ is not a person without them Did Edw. Burroughs believe that these replies of his were proper answers to the questions Quak. Blessed be the Lord that hath discovered thee so thy queries are answer'd in the eternal life and light of God and Judgment is given upon thee and them which thou shalt eternally witness Thy queries are answer'd lovingly and plainly and in the Scripture language and terms and with the eternal light and life of God set thee in thy own place which thou shalt eternally witness Ibid. p. 34. Chr. What horrid blasphemy arrogance and wilful lying are these few concluding words guilty of to say these queries are answer'd in the eternal life and light of God is a most blasphemous intituling the Divine Majesty to all Edw. Burroughs his multiplyed Railings Lies and Impertinencies Could the Devil himself have been more vile and was it not prodigious arrogancy in this man to take upon him to determine a mans endless condition Is it not also a most odious lye to say these queries are answer'd lovingly and plainly in Scripture language and terms Is railing cursing and damning a person loving and plain answers Is sot and sottish Beast c. Scripture language and terms The Lord in mercy deliver us from such Prophets who are justly worthy of the abhorrence of all men Thus I have given you some account of the memorable works of this eminent Quaker printed 1672. with the Epistles of Ellis Hooks Josiah Coale George Whitehead Francis Howgill and George Fox that the Ages to come may see what monsters this Age produced O my Soul come not thou into their Secrets unto their Assembly Gen. 49.6 I presume by this time thou maist be satisfied that I have not wrong'd you in the Dialogue but did therein represent you and your manner of speaking in more favourable terms then you see I could or might have done what farther have you to object Quak. We say they are lyes and slanders and thou art a most irreligious miscreant Chr. Several of you that were moved thus to express your minds being asked whether you had read the Dialogue answer'd No How then do you know they are all lyes Is it not a most disingenious thing to pass sentence on you know not what I see 't is as easie to wash the Blackmoor white as 't is to reclaim you from this accustomed evil Those of you who have read the Dialogue may know if you will that I have not onely quoted your Books but have done it truly and honestly can this then be of any Service to you when any person that examines the quotations may see your error As for that term miscreant George Whitehead is pleas'd to impose upon me I think it unworthy of any farther notice then this that for want of argument he takes up dirt which was no wayes becoming him having told us in print That he never found any man convinced by ill language Divinity of Christ p. 89. What more hast thou to say Quak. Thou sayst We hold the Soul to be God whereas we distinguish between the Power that saves and that which is saved G. W. Dip. Pl. p. 15. Chr. Did I not cite your metropolitan G. Fox direct you to his Book and Page where you may read these words That the Soul is part of Gods Being without beginning and infinite Darest thou say I have not quoted him truly But saith George Whitehead We distinguish between the Soul and its Saviour So doth G. Fox seem to distinguish When he calls God the Bishop of the Soul notwithstanding which he saith The Soul is a part of Gods Being If then there be any thing in his distinction 't is onely this That one part of God is Bishop over another George Whitehead also pretends to distinguish between Christ and his light or gift Apolog. 35. And yet in his Dip. Pl. p. 13. saith The life is the light of men and this life and light is divine and increated so that the meaning of his distinction must be That Christ is not divine and increated but his Light is If both be increated what signifies his distinction James Naylor likewise distinguisheth between the light and the seed within and yet tells us The light is Christ and the seed is Christ so that your distinguishing is but a collusion to baffle and amuse simple and ignorant people Hence as one of your own Friends hath said of you we find but too true though your years have been but few yet you have been exceeding expert in learning the subtilties that is the equivocations of the Papists Who of you ever writ against this position of George Fox concerning the Soul Or which of you dare give it under your hands That herein your Superintendent was deceived Quak. Whereas thou hast said we deny the Person of Christ herein thou art a lyar the person of Christ we own and witness Chr. But do you acknowledge him to be a distinct person without you Quak. Jesus Christ a Person without us is not Scripture language but the Anthropomorphites and Muggletonians Whitehead Dip. Pl. p. 13. Chr. If Jesus Christ be not a Person distinct from you who or what is Jesus Christ Quak. 'T is God himself if God be the Light and that Light be Christ then God is Christ Penns Innocency with open face p. 8. Again 't is the light in us we own no other Redeemer but that Person the Son of God who died at Jerusalem who is the light in us Naylor and Hubborthorns answer to the Phanatique History p. 13. Chr. You say you own the Person of Christ is the light in you a person and is it the very Son of God and did it indeed die at Jerusalem Quak. We say He that was slain upon the Cross is the very Christ of God and the very Christ of God is in us Burroughs Works p. 9. 149. Chr. If God be Christ as Penn saith or if the Light within you be the Christ as Naylor and Hubberthorne affirm Is it proper or safe to say God was slain or that the Light in you was crucified Quak. Ye have condemn'd and kill'd the Just James 5. 5 6. that is Christ Jesus in their hearts him they crucified G. Keith Immediat Revelation p. 77. Chr. Is Christ really and indeed crucified in the hearts of men onely Quak. As Christ is and lives in himself he cannot be crucified but his appearance may Keith Ibid. Chr. You distinguish between Christ and his appearance and say He himself cannot but his appearance may be crucified Is not this as much as to say His appearance is but a Creature But how will this agree with the Dictates of others of your Ministry who say The Light within is divine and increated I perceive if we examine you distinct your tales will not agree And when G. Keith saith Ye kill'd the Just

false witness c. is no Law to you forasmuch as it was given to others and you say We are not to act by the command which was to another no wonder you pay so little respect to Parents Magistrates Masters c. for that you will say was a command to others therefore no command to you so that neither the affirmative nor the negative Precepts have any obligation upon you for you have a peculiar dispensation onely to obey your own command Are you not oh ye Quakers ashamed of this Doctrine Quak. By order and authority given me by the Spirit of the living God on the 31 day of the 10th moneth 1655. about four a Clock in the morning The word of the Lord came to me saying Write my controversie with all the Inhabitants of the Earth Hence I do say That to take up a command from the Letter and say Christ commands it that thus you are in the witchcraft Edw. Burroughs works p. 96. comp with p. 105. Chr. Is it witchcraft to stand in awe of Christ's commands to reverence their authority to endeavour to our utmost an observance thereof Did ever such ungodly and irreverent Speeches drop from the mouth or pen of any truly Christian man And is it not impiously horrid to make God himself to patronize such blasphemies why do you countenance such Novices Are you not yet ashamed of those Testimonies you have given to this most profane Scribler And whereas you say That nothing is a command to me which is a command to another will you stand by it that nothing is a duty to me but what I am immediately mov'd unto by the power within me Quak. 'T is an error to say we are not to wait for an inward call motion impulse or inspiration to preach pray or to give thanks so as to forbear till it be given G. Keith Im. Rev. Preface Chr. Am I not then sinless if Lomit the doing of any thing that may be good in it self and commanded in the Scriptures if I be not immediately moved thereunto Quak. Is it of good report for unregenerate and uninspired men to pray Pen. Apol. p. 111. Spiritual obedience is not that wherein men and women read the Scriptures and from that set themselves on work and so make an imitation of obedience Naylors Love to the lost p. 27. People cry out of their best duties as having sin in them had they not better let them alone All these holy duties as they call them must down had they not better let them alone and see the salvation of God and come to the gift c. Chr. These last words One of our Ministry was moved to declare very lately in a publick meeting in London But is not this to teach men to be irreligious and profane no marvel Nicholas Lucas said We may burn the Bible and serve God as well without it But the question returns upon you whether this be not to lay all our neglects of doing that which is meet yea ought to be done upon the power or spirit for not immediately moving us thereunto And what is your meaning when you say these holy duties must down and we had better let them alone as having sin in them Is it not this That there is no duty incumbent upon imperfect creatures and that none must be perform'd except it be perfect in the matter manner principle and end If so are not all men discharg'd by you from acknowledging the Soveraignty of God in those Laws he hath given unto them Quak. You are not dead with Christ who are yet subject unto Ordinances Burroughs p. 105. Your Obedience is but the conformity in your own wills to that which was the will of God to another Ibid. Chr. The Spirit of God in the Scriptures assures us that they who are subject to and keep the Commandments of God are the Children of God and they who do not are lyars see the first Epistle of Joh. 2 3 4. cap. 5.2 3. Yet this wicked man saith That they who are subject to Ordinances are not dead with Christ if you flee for refuge to Col. 2.20 It will not relieve you for it is no ways applicable to the persons to whom Edw. Burroughs did write nor is his Speech limited to Jewish Ordinances now abolished but was more general respecting the Ordinances of Christ still in force and being and will you say these are not to be owned nor subjected unto but onely so far as we are immediately moved and prompted by the power within Quak. To go without the movings of the Spirit in your own wills God hates and his wrath is upon if the movings of the Spirit do not carry forth to act them they are accursed of God And all who go before the movings of it to carry forth All their Prayers Preachings and Ordinances I deny and declare against by the eternal Spirit of God that they are odious and abomination unto God whether they be done in private or in the Church Edw. Burroughs Works p. 47 48. Chr. Then we are really acquitted from any fault in omitting to do that which is good and all the blame why it is not done must be laid upon the Spirit But is not this horrid will this plea be of any service to us think you in the day of acconut to say Lord though I knew such a thing ought to have been done and such an evil omitted and that thou in the holy Scriptures did command the one and forbid the other yet that was nothing to me I had no immediate motion or impulse to do that or forbear this But what if one be moved to do those things which are not commanded in the Scriptures must that motition be followed Quak. We affirm That a great many particular things both by way of precept prohibition permission approbation and counsel from the Lord are both reveal'd and necessary to be reveal'd to us which are not essentials of the Christian Religion nor principles of the Doctrine of Christ but things relating to our conversation in the world and walking with God with faith and comfort according to his will with the knowledg of which we are to be fill'd with in all things For there is a necessity for those under the New Covenant dispensation of living in and walking after the Spirit to have things reveal'd to them from the Lord which are not to be found in the Scriptures particularly not so much as by consequence G. K. Im. Rev. p. 3. 4. Chr. If I may be so bold as to ask you what are some of those things which by way of precept or counsel from the Lord which you say are necessary to be reveal'd to you which yet are not to be found in the Scriptures not so much as by consequence And how are you assured you have them from the Lord and what evidence more then your own pretences can you give thereof to other men Is your Friends being moved to go naked both

it certainly save me A. There is no doubt of that Q. VVhat assurance may I have thereof A. If it do not I dare be hang●d R. W. Q. Of what advantage will thy hanging be to me if I should miscarry A. Now thou taunts Q. Dost thou not administer the occasion A. I see thou art still in the envious mind Q. Do you believe a state of Immmortality and eternal felicity A. We own and witness to an Immortal state Geo. W. Q. Do you believe a farther happiness shall be injoy'd by the Saints at the last day than now A. When thinks thou that will bee must all the Saints have their hopes and faith of Salvation unanswered till then G. W. Chr. Asc p. 34. Q. Do not you wait for any thing farther A. Surely death and darkness hath power over thy mind else thou would'st never shew thy self such an ignorant Papist in putting Salvation so far off till thou know'st not when according to thy carnal conceits G. W. ibid. Q. Is eternal life and felicity injoy'd now A. Is not the recompence of reward Eternal life and felicity inwardly and Spiritually received by those that Now suffer for Christ G. W. ibid. p. 37. Q. Is your belief in these points consonant to the Doctrine delivered in the holy Scripture A. I have told thee that it is necessary for us to have things reveal'd to us that are not to be found in the Scriptures particularly not so much as by consequence G. Keith Q. Must we be concluded meerly by your sayings and Imaginations A. We are of God and they who withstand our testimony are in the gall of bitterness W. Pen. Such that interrogate us we will tell them they are Reprobates and in the Sorcery and Witchcraft Enemies to the life that they are filthy polluted Beasts Serpents querying with conjured words and that they are blind and ignorant Sots Edw. Bur. Q. Is what you say concerning such certainly true A. The Judgment we passe upon them they shall eternally Witness Edw. Burroughs Q. If such as Edw. Burroughs George Whitehead and W. Pen. may be accounted true Ministers whom shall we esteem false A. They who say the Scriptures are the rule that deny Christ to be the Light in every man Q. Doth not your Ministry deny Christs Person maintain justification by works and that not according to the tenour of the second but of the first covenant cursing people for doing what they bid them Impose on us the grossest falshoods and most irreconcileable contradictions under the pretence of immediate Inspirations as if it were not enough for them to be wicked alone unlesse they could make God himself O Horrid villany an accessory with them A sort of men that will affirm and deny at pleasure One while say they own the Person of Christ Another while deny he hath any personal being without men Now they will confesse the very Christ who dyed at Jerusalem anon they tell us that Christ was but a figure a shaddow passed away and why should we trouble our selves with that Jesus and To concern our selves about his second personal Coming is but puzling about silly and foolish things When they say Christ came to redeem man If we sift their meaning 't is nothing but the Seed the principle of God in man that wants redemption If we tell them of their faults they aggravate them by persisting therein and whil'st they rail at their accusers justifie the Accusation it self as is the manner of your Dictator Will. Pen. who of late hath been so extravagant in his writings that scarce a man that reads him but thinks him to be either distracted or worse and yet must we believe such as these are true Ministers A. Why speakest thou so severely against W. Pen Q. Have I not sufficient reason I profess were I as he I would sue thee at the Common-Law thus an eminent Quaker spoke to a friend of mine Q. VVhy so A. Because thou hast disparaged him Q. Hath W. Pen a dispensation to write or speak without controul Is he a Vniversal Dictator A. I would have him seek his remedy against thee at the Common-Law Q. VVould such a practice agree with your principle of Liberty of Conscience A. Liberty to reflect on such as W. Pen is not to be allow'd no Liberty but in the Power G. Fox Q. You take a Liberty to curse and revile others who give you no just cause And may not we take notice when or wherein you err and soberly put you in mind thereof A. What we do is nothing to thee we are in the Power we know we are of God therefore all that withstand our testimony are in the gall of bitterness W. Pen. Q. If now under your present circumstances you manifest such a mind what might we expect from you were your Power answerable to your VVills A. Alas for thee we are an innocent people Q. VVe have nothing but your own words for it your envenom'd malice against others your Tyrannical actings amongst your selves gives us sufficient intimations that 't will be dangerous trusting the Old man in you A farther account of you and your Tenets you may expect as opportunity and occasion is offered as yet I have mostly been concerned about your opinions and have been sparing touching your practices which is not for want of Instances for I do give you to understand That as Horrid enormities are raigning under the vizor and garb of a Quaker as amongst any other sort of men only with this difference Yours are more Aggravated by your pretences to perfection which pretence is no more than a meer fraud whereby you deceive many simple people If therefore you will provoke me to speak all I can either respecting your opinions or practices blame not me but thank your selves if the event answer not your expectation The End Errata PAg. 13. lin 16. for salvation r. salutation p. 26. l. 6. dele Christ l. 7. r. Christ p. 68. l. 32. for at r. act p. 79. l. 18. for sufficient r. in sufficient