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A40102 A vindication of the Friendly conference, between a minister and a parishioner of his inclining unto Quakerism, &c. from the exceptions of Thomas Ellwood, in his pretended answer to the said conference / by the same author. Fowler, Edward, 1632-1714.; Ellwood, Thomas, 1639-1713. 1678 (1678) Wing F1729; ESTC R20275 188,159 354

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