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adore_v and_o give_v godly_a honour_n unto_o any_o saint_n or_o angel_n if_o it_o be_v a_o lesser_a kind_n of_o religious_a worship_n which_o be_v due_a to_o saint_n then_o we_o say_v with_o s._n chrysostome_n upon_o this_o place_n that_o s._n peter_n out_o of_o his_o humility_n and_o consideration_n of_o humane_a frailty_n refuse_v that_o honour_n albeit_o it_o be_v due_a unto_o his_o excellent_a piety_n and_o singular_a authority_n the_o like_a answer_n be_v to_o be_v give_v unto_o that_o place_n of_o the_o apocalypse_n 10._o cap._n 19_o vers_fw-la 10._o where_o the_o angel_n forbid_v s._n john_n to_o adore_v he_o which_o m._n per._n have_v forget_v to_o allege_v for_o either_o s._n john_n take_v the_o angel_n to_o be_v god_n as_o he_o speak_v in_o the_o person_n of_o god_n and_o so_o by_o mistake_v the_o person_n offer_v he_o divine_a honour_n locum_fw-la quaest_n 61_o â—n_v genes_n greg._n lib._n 27._o moral_a c._n 11._o bed_n anselm_n &_o alij_fw-la in_o illum_fw-la locum_fw-la as_o s._n augustine_n suppose_v and_o be_v just_o reprehend_v by_o the_o angel_n and_o instruct_v that_o he_o be_v not_o god_n but_o his_o fellow_n servant_n or_o as_o many_o other_o ancient_a and_o learned_a author_n think_v s._n john_n as_o one_o that_o very_o well_o know_v what_o he_o have_v to_o do_v do_v dutiful_o worship_v such_o a_o heavenly_a creature_n as_o god_n ambassador_n to_o he_o for_o otherwise_o he_o be_v not_o so_o dull_a or_o forgetful_a as_o to_o have_v the_o 8._o the_o cap._n 22._o vers_fw-la 8._o second_o time_n fall_v into_o the_o same_o fault_n neither_o do_v the_o angel_n reprehend_v he_o but_o after_o a_o most_o courteous_a manner_n will_v s._n john_n not_o to_o do_v he_o that_o honour_n because_o he_o know_v well_o how_o dear_o belove_a s._n john_n be_v unto_o our_o saviour_n and_o that_o perhaps_o s._n john_n be_v to_o have_v a_o high_a seat_n in_o heaven_n than_o he_o have_v wherefore_o he_o will_v not_o take_v that_o honour_n of_o so_o great_a a_o personage_n to_o these_o reason_n of_o m._n per._n we_o may_v add_v some_o few_o scrap_n of_o authority_n which_o he_o have_v sweep_v together_o 53._o de_fw-fr vera_fw-la relig_n 53._o augustine_n we_o honour_v the_o saint_n with_o charity_n and_o not_o by_o servitude_n neither_o do_v we_o erect_v church_n to_o they_o and_o they_o be_v to_o be_v honour_v for_o imitation_n but_o not_o to_o be_v adore_v with_o religion_n answer_n mark_v that_o in_o both_o the_o sentence_n he_o teach_v we_o plain_o to_o honour_n and_o worship_v the_o saint_n as_o we_o do_v honour_v the_o saint_n they_o be_v to_o be_v honour_v marry_o he_o add_v as_o we_o also_o teach_v after_o he_o that_o no_o divine_a and_o godly_a honour_n be_v give_v they_o which_o he_o describe_v in_o those_o word_n with_o servitude_n and_o with_o religion_n the_o saint_n say_v he_o even_o here_o as_o in_o many_o other_o place_n of_o his_o learned_a work_n be_v to_o be_v worship_v but_o not_o with_o such_o worship_n as_o servant_n 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he_o say_v 21._o lib._n 20._o count_n faust_n cap._n 21._o that_o christian_a people_n do_v celebrate_v the_o memory_n of_o martyr_n with_o religious_a solemnity_n both_o to_o stir_v up_o imitation_n as_o also_o tâ—â—â—_n they_o may_v be_v partaker_n of_o their_o merit_n and_o help_v by_o their_o prayer_n notwithstanding_o say_v he_o to_o none_o of_o the_o martyr_n do_v we_o erect_v altar_n but_o to_o the_o god_n of_o martyr_n yet_o in_o the_o remembrance_n of_o martyr_n for_o who_o of_o the_o priest_n in_o the_o place_n of_o their_o holy_a body_n stand_v at_o the_o altar_n have_v say_v at_o any_o time_n we_o offer_v unto_o thou_o peter_n or_o paul_n or_o cyprian_a but_o that_o which_o be_v offer_v be_v offer_v to_o god_n who_o crown_v the_o martyr_n at_o the_o memory_n of_o martyr_n that_o by_o the_o admonition_n of_o the_o very_a place_n a_o great_a devotion_n may_v arise_v to_o inflame_v our_o charity_n both_o towards_o they_o who_o we_o must_v imitate_v as_o also_o towards_o he_o 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