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a_o wonder_n not_o far_o from_o rome_n writer_n not_o put_v their_o name_n to_o their_o book_n censure_v by_o the_o jesuite_n the_o pope_n jester_n the_o name_n of_o minister_n and_o priest_n church_n the_o pillar_n of_o truth_n the_o way_n of_o catholic_a discipline_n be_v the_o way_n of_o the_o scripture_n the_o jesuite_n method_n in_o persuade_v to_o papistry_n the_o manner_n of_o a._n d._n his_o reply_v and_o his_o promise_n to_o rail_v chap._n 2._o the_o papist_n trample_v of_o the_o scripture_n and_o prefer_v their_o church_n the_o church_n of_o rome_n touch_v in_o her_o honesty_n and_o repute_v for_o a_o whore_n the_o condition_n of_o a_o whore_n chap._n 3._o the_o order_n of_o the_o jesuite_n why_o and_o to_o what_o purpose_n erect_v by_o the_o pope_n they_o be_v that_o to_o the_o pope_n that_o the_o janissary_n be_v to_o the_o turk_n their_o aboadment_n chap._n 4_o some_o example_n of_o the_o jesuite_n rapine_n touch_v the_o present_a pope_n paul_n 5._o and_o his_o nephew_n burghesi_n the_o jesuite_n devour_v those_o that_o entertain_v they_o chap._n 5._o touch_v the_o rapine_n and_o covetousness_n of_o the_o romish_a clergy_n and_o their_o single_a life_n and_o what_o the_o world_n have_v think_v thereof_o chap._n 6._o touch_v the_o turbulence_n of_o our_o jesuite_n and_o maspriest_n in_o the_o state_n and_o their_o unthankfulness_n to_o the_o king_n the_o seditious_a doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n lead_v to_o all_o disobedience_n against_o the_o magistrate_n and_o rebellion_n whensoever_o occasion_n shall_v serve_v tyrones_n rebellion_n and_o the_o spanish_a invasion_n promote_v by_o the_o pope_n a_o catalogue_n of_o about_o forty_o emperor_n king_n and_o prince_n destroy_v or_o vex_v by_o the_o pope_n and_o his_o clergy_n a_o consideration_n upon_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o pope_n power_n to_o depose_v king_n chap._n 7._o concern_v the_o doctrine_n of_o merit_n teach_v in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o touch_v the_o bull_n of_o pius_n and_o gregory_n against_o michael_n bayus_n the_o dean_n of_o lovane_n chap._n 8._o the_o papacy_n bring_v in_o by_o satan_n the_o jesuit_n spirit_n of_o contradiction_n the_o church_n of_o rome_n revolt_v the_o five_o patriarch_n be_v equal_a at_o the_o first_o plain_a scripture_n against_o the_o papacy_n the_o ignorance_n of_o popish_a laity_n corruption_n of_o writing_n by_o the_o papist_n reformation_n desire_v long_o before_o it_o come_v advice_n give_v to_o a.d._n chap._n 9_o the_o apocrypha_fw-la not_o account_v canonical_a scripture_n papist_n profess_v to_o expound_v against_o the_o father_n the_o new_a english_a translation_n of_o the_o bible_n tradition_n equal_v with_o the_o holy_a scripture_n about_o the_o err_a of_o counsel_n and_o the_o sufficiency_n of_o the_o scripture_n chap._n 10._o the_o practice_n of_o the_o papist_n in_o purge_v book_n the_o sacrifice_n of_o the_o mass_n and_o real_a presence_n deny_v point_n of_o papist_n absurd_a the_o pope_n lord_n it_o over_o 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of_o the_o b._n virgin_n mary_n be_v make_v intercessor_n as_o though_o christ_n be_v not_o sole_a mediator_n i_o have_v answer_v sufficient_o in_o relate_v and_o refute_v m._n wotton'_v untruth_n where_o i_o show_v that_o saint_n in_o heaven_n or_o man_n live_v on_o earth_n be_v make_v intercessor_n do_v not_o hinder_v christ_n to_o be_v sole_a mediator_n 1_o the_o jesuite_n so_o relate_v and_o confute_v my_o word_n as_o if_o i_o have_v only_o object_v some_o small_a superstition_n in_o pray_v to_o the_o virgin_n mary_n and_o no_o more_o whereas_o the_o bare_a invocate_a of_o she_o be_v the_o least_o thing_n that_o i_o stand_v upon_o we_o urge_v the_o pray_n to_o she_o in_o 10._o in_o they_o say_v she_o be_v god_n dea_fw-la mater_fw-la paul_n cortes_n in_o scent_n pag._n 65._o lip_n virg_n
christ_n merit_n and_o mediation_n who_o in_o their_o us._n their_o videtur_fw-la quod_fw-la probabiliter_fw-la sustiner_n possit_fw-la quod_fw-la b_o virgo_fw-la etiam_fw-la merito_fw-la condign_a meruâ—t_fw-la esse_fw-la mater_fw-la dâ—i_fw-la &_o filium_fw-la dâ—i_fw-la concepisse_fw-la gab._n 3._o d._n 4._o q._n vinc_fw-la dub_v 3._o dico_fw-la quod_fw-la b._n virgo_fw-la arte_fw-la incarnationem_fw-la meruit_fw-la filium_fw-la dei_fw-la concipere_fw-la merito_fw-la congrui_fw-la bonavab_n art_n 2._o q._n 2._o so_o other_o maio._n â—_o â—_o in_o fin_n ricard_n art_n 3._o q._n 1._o alm._n q._n 1._o dub_v 3._o marsil_n q._n 5._o art_n 3._o dub_v 3._o concl_n 2._o &_o 3_o abulens_n parad_a l._n 34._o &_o 38._o of_o which_o some_o think_v the_o merit_n to_o be_v of_o congruity_n some_o of_o condignity_n they_o be_v loath_a to_o leave_v room_n for_o pure_a grace_n in_o any_o thing_n that_o god_n do_v for_o us._n school_n maintain_v that_o she_o merit_v if_o not_o the_o incarnation_n itself_o yet_o that_o christ_n shall_v be_v make_v man_n and_o bear_v of_o she_o whereof_o it_o follow_v necessary_o that_o there_o be_v some_o merit_n in_o she_o that_o be_v not_o found_v on_o the_o merit_n of_o christ_n but_o go_v before_o it_o because_o before_o he_o be_v in_o cause_n to_o merit_v she_o merit_v to_o be_v his_o mother_n three_o christ_n have_v by_o his_o obedience_n so_o merit_v all_o thing_n for_o we_o that_o he_o have_v do_v it_o sole_o immediate_o and_o incommunicable_o which_o be_v the_o three_o condition_n of_o his_o merit_n and_o therefore_o he_o that_o but_o subordinate_n the_o merit_n of_o a_o creature_n to_o the_o merit_n of_o christ_n rob_v he_o of_o his_o office_n in_o that_o his_o merit_n have_v no_o condition_n to_o elevate_v or_o advance_v the_o merit_n of_o another_o to_o the_o make_n of_o intercession_n and_o the_o reason_n be_v because_o intercession_n be_v for_o the_o pardon_v of_o sin_n and_o obtain_v of_o infinite_a good_a can_v proceed_v by_o 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253._o in_o the_o fashion_n like_o a_o lady_n yea_o 23._o yea_o vestientes_fw-la dominam_fw-la nostram_fw-la &_o magdalenam_fw-la &_o alius_fw-la sanctas_fw-la ornamentis_fw-la profanis_fw-la &_o vanis_fw-la ac_fw-la meretricijs_fw-la quibus_fw-la etiam_fw-la pudicae_fw-la matronae_fw-la seize_v vestire_fw-la vererentur_fw-la navarre_n manual_a c._n 11._o n._n 23._o like_o a_o courtesan_n and_o keep_v such_o a_o court_n at_o lauretto_n in_o the_o same_o place_n where_o 428._o where_o leand._n albert_n descript_n ital._n in_o picen_n pag._n 428._o sometime_o juno_n keep_v she_o he_o add_v that_o thereby_o man_n be_v draw_v a_o whore_v from_o god_n the_o body_n of_o mary_n be_v holy_a but_o not_o god_n and_o she_o a_o honourable_a virgin_n but_o not_o give_v to_o be_v adore_v but_o herself_o adore_v he_o that_o she_o bear_v in_o her_o womb_n of_o the_o supremacy_n which_o now_o the_o pope_n use_v over_o all_o other_o bishop_n gregory_n who_o in_o his_o three_o argument_n the_o repliar_a 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the_o constitution_n of_o clemens_n say_v let_v the_o whole_a laity_n in_o order_n with_o fear_n and_o reverence_n receive_v the_o cup._n by_o which_o few_o example_n the_o reader_n may_v discern_v how_o untrue_a it_o be_v that_o coccius_n have_v particular_o set_v down_o point_n by_o point_n the_o ancient_a father_n with_o unanime_fw-la consent_n against_o the_o protestant_n who_o have_v bring_v nothing_o out_o of_o they_o to_o that_o purpose_n which_o be_v not_o clear_o and_o sufficient_o answer_v by_o problema_fw-la by_o in_o the_o most_o weighty_a controversy_n he_o be_v answer_v by_o m._n perkins_n in_o his_o problema_fw-la our_o divine_n in_o every_o controversy_n 2_o his_o second_o argument_n be_v the_o testimony_n of_o those_o that_o write_v the_o century_n who_o be_v themselves_o famous_a protestant_n testify_v this_o to_o be_v so_o in_o many_o point_n this_o argument_n be_v object_v in_o 47._o in_o the_o way_n §._o 44_o &_o digr_n 47._o his_o treatise_n and_o full_o answer_v and_o therefore_o shall_v not_o have_v be_v repeat_v again_o before_o my_o answer_n have_v be_v avoid_v yet_o a_o little_a i_o will_v satisfy_v he_o first_o if_o the_o magdeburgenses_n acknowledge_v the_o father_n in_o many_o point_n to_o be_v for_o the_o papist_n which_o they_o no_o where_n do_v yet_o that_o be_v not_o all_o the_o father_n with_o unanime_fw-la consent_n point_n by_o point_n in_o all_o point_n some_o particular_a father_n the_o repliar_a know_v well_o enough_o speak_v that_o which_o have_v no_o unanime_fw-la consent_n of_o the_o rest_n and_o their_o private_a opinion_n may_v give_v colour_n to_o many_o thing_n and_o yet_o will_v not_o reach_v from_o point_n to_o point_n next_o it_o be_v false_a that_o be_v here_o report_v of_o the_o century_n they_o testify_v no_o more_o but_o what_o they_o think_v that_o father_n hold_v corrupt_o and_o themselves_o judge_v to_o be_v error_n and_o blemish_n in_o their_o writing_n there_o be_v no_o romish_a writer_n at_o this_o day_n but_o he_o do_v the_o same_o baronius_n in_o his_o annal_n purposely_o intend_v against_o the_o century_n have_v not_o leave_v one_o father_n or_o one_o ancient_a history_n uncensured_a but_o still_o charge_v it_o with_o some_o error_n and_o blemish_n or_o other_o but_o my_o adversary_n say_v the_o thing_n which_o the_o century_n say_v be_v blemish_n in_o the_o father_n be_v such_o point_n as_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n now_o hold_v whereby_o it_o shall_v seem_v that_o in_o many_o thing_n they_o testify_v with_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n against_o the_o protestant_n i_o answer_v first_o that_o in_o some_o point_n as_o the_o diligent_a that_o be_v may_v sometime_o oversee_v and_o now_o and_o then_o they_o mistake_v and_o call_v that_o the_o opinion_n or_o the_o error_n of_o a_o father_n that_o be_v not_o this_o kind_n of_o oversight_n we_o perceive_v and_o pardon_v in_o our_o adversary_n themselves_o second_o diverse_a thing_n note_v by_o they_o for_o error_n in_o the_o father_n be_v not_o hold_v by_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n but_o be_v censure_v also_o by_o our_o adversary_n themselves_o as_o well_o as_o by_o the_o century_n three_o diverse_a point_n in_o particular_a father_n be_v tax_v which_o belong_v to_o that_o which_o be_v now_o hold_v in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n but_o this_o justify_v not_o the_o papist_n first_o because_o in_o such_o point_n there_o be_v no_o unanime_fw-la consent_n of_o all_o the_o father_n or_o all_o the_o church_n but_o only_o the_o unsettle_a and_o ambulatory_a opinion_n of_o some_o private_a doctor_n next_o what_o these_o doctor_n deliver_v touch_v such_o point_n be_v hold_v otherwise_o and_o to_o other_o intent_n and_o purpose_n now_o in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n as_o their_o pray_v for_o the_o dead_a which_o the_o century_n just_o note_v for_o a_o blemish_n be_v not_o with_o opinion_n of_o purgatory_n as_o now_o it_o be_v in_o rome_n three_o the_o mystery_n of_o iniquity_n begin_v to_o work_v in_o the_o primitive_a church_n whereby_o the_o father_n themselves_o though_o bishop_n of_o the_o church_n and_o most_o holy_a man_n yet_o but_o man_n sometime_o be_v deceive_v and_o bring_v into_o error_n in_o some_o thing_n thus_o it_o be_v write_v of_o papias_n 6._o papias_n baron_fw-fr a_o 118_o n._n 2._o &_o 6._o a_o bishop_n of_o great_a authority_n in_o the_o church_n and_o famous_a for_o the_o holiness_n of_o his_o life_n that_o by_o misunderstand_v 20.4_o misunderstand_v apoc._n 20.4_o a_o text_n in_o the_o revelation_n 18._o revelation_n prateol_n elench_v haeret_fw-la l._n 3._o n._n 17._o hiero._n de_fw-fr scripto_fw-la c._n 18._o he_o give_v occasion_n of_o the_o millenary_a heresy_n afterward_o condemn_v in_o the_o church_n yet_o his_o credit_n and_o estimation_n be_v such_o that_o many_o great_a man_n follow_v he_o nepos_n irenaeus_n victorinus_n tertullian_n lactantius_n apollinarius_n coration_n and_o diverse_a other_o for_o be_v a_o man_n as_o ult._n as_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d euseb_n hist_o eccle_n l._n 3._o c._n ult._n eusebius_n say_v
saint_n and_o their_o image_n that_o which_o belong_v to_o god_n alone_o do_v they_o not_o invocate_v saint_n in_o their_o prayer_n and_o make_v vow_n to_o they_o and_o do_v they_o not_o kneel_v and_o creep_v and_o adore_v and_o 165._o and_o pontifex_fw-la imaginem_fw-la mariae_fw-la thurificat_fw-la pontif_n rom._n part_n 2._o p._n 165._o burn_v incense_n to_o their_o image_n all_o which_o be_v do_v in_o religion_n 19.21_o religion_n exo._n 20.5_o ronvere_n 14.11_o â—est_v 3.2_o cum_fw-la 13_o 14_o eph._n 3_o 14._o es_fw-ge 45.23_o dan_n 6.10_o es_fw-ge 19.21_o be_v only_o due_a to_o the_o god_n of_o heaven_n do_v the_o reply_o once_o hope_v that_o he_o can_v distinguish_v the_o honour_n give_v the_o virgin_n mary_n and_o the_o service_n do_v to_o her_o shrine_n at_o laureto_n from_o divine_a he_o be_v deceive_v agobardus_n the_o b._n of_o lion_n in_o france_n above_o 800_o year_n after_o christ_n 213_o christ_n lâ—â—e_a imag_n p._n 213_o say_v the_o work_n of_o man_n hand_n may_v not_o be_v adore_v and_o worship_v no_o not_o in_o honour_n of_o they_o who_o image_n they_o be_v 237._o be_v pag._n 237._o and_o if_o they_o who_o have_v leave_v the_o service_n of_o the_o devil_n the_o gentile_n shall_v be_v command_v to_o worship_v the_o image_n of_o saint_n i_o suppose_v they_o will_v think_v they_o have_v not_o so_o much_o leave_v as_o change_v their_o idol_n 3_o second_o he_o say_v though_o some_o say_v the_o image_n of_o christ_n be_v to_o be_v worship_v with_o the_o same_o honour_n the_o prototypon_n christ_n himself_o be_v yet_o these_o be_v but_o some_o here_o be_v two_o fault_n for_o first_o he_o mention_n only_o the_o image_n of_o christ_n as_o if_o what_o his_o some_o say_v be_v only_o touch_v that_o whereas_o the_o doctrine_n be_v that_o every_o image_n be_v to_o be_v adore_v with_o the_o same_o honour_n the_o sampler_n be_v therefore_o not_o the_o image_n of_o christ_n alone_o but_o the_o cross_n and_o the_o image_n 156._o image_n a_o ddendum_fw-la est_fw-la have_v imagine_v coli_fw-la posse_fw-la illo_fw-la duplici_fw-la modo_fw-la in_fw-la alijs_fw-la imaginibus_fw-la explicaâ—o_fw-la suar._n 1_o d._n 54._o s_o 6._o §._o secundo_fw-la addendum_fw-la idem_fw-la vasqu_n de_fw-fr ador_n adorat_fw-la l._n 2._o nu_fw-la 167._o comparat_fw-la cum_fw-la titul_n disp_n 6._o nu_fw-la 156._o of_o the_o trinity_n must_v be_v adore_v with_o divine_a honour_n then_o second_o the_o some_o that_o hold_v every_o image_n be_v to_o be_v adore_v with_o the_o same_o honour_n wherewith_o the_o sampler_n be_v adore_v and_o therefore_o the_o image_n of_o christ_n and_o his_o cross_n must_v be_v adore_v with_o divine_a honour_n if_o they_o be_v reckon_v will_v amount_v to_o such_o a_o sum_n that_o they_o will_v be_v very_o near_o all_o the_o divine_n the_o church_n of_o rome_n have_v for_o 3._o for_o 3._o part_n q._n 25._o art_n 3._o this_o thomas_n his_o conclusion_n see_v christ_n be_v to_o be_v adore_v with_o the_o adoration_n of_o latria_n divine_a worship_n his_o image_n also_o be_v to_o be_v adore_v with_o the_o same_o adoration_n now_o 126._o now_o this_o sum_n of_o s._n tho._n aquinas_n comprehend_v all_o light_o that_o the_o catholic_n walsingh_n p._n 126._o that_o which_o thomas_n teach_v be_v hold_v at_o least_o by_o the_o mayor_n part_n if_o not_o by_o all_o yea_o azorius_fw-la 6_o azorius_fw-la tom._n 1._o l._n 9_o c._n 6_o say_v it_o be_v the_o constant_a judgement_n of_o their_o divine_n and_o 14._o and_o suar._n to_o 1._o d._n 54._o s_o 4._o azor._fw-la ubi_fw-la sup_n vasqu_n ador_n d._n 8._o c._n 14._o the_o jesuite_n affirm_v it_o to_o be_v decree_v in_o the_o trent_n council_n and_o if_o the_o reader_n listen_v to_o see_v what_o some_o they_o be_v that_o hold_v it_o let_v he_o turn_v back_o to_o the_o place_n 2._o place_n ch._n 48._o nu_fw-la 2._o where_o i_o dispute_v touch_v the_o counsel_n of_o niece_n and_o frankfurt_n 4_o it_o be_v certain_a therefore_o that_o it_o be_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o 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keep_v in_o mind_n go_v we_o forward_o to_o his_o 20._o his_o this_o his_o declaration_n be_v bellarmine_n the_o imag_n c._n 20._o declaration_n first_o he_o say_v they_o worship_v the_o image_n of_o christ_n not_o per_fw-la se_fw-la by_o themselves_o but_o by_o accident_n not_o proper_o but_o improper_o or_o at_o the_o most_o analogical_o next_o he_o expound_v this_o the_o image_n be_v worship_v improper_o when_o it_o be_v take_v obiectiuè_fw-fr and_o make_v the_o vicegerent_n of_o the_o thing_n whereof_o it_o be_v a_o image_n to_o represent_v the_o same_o to_o our_o mind_n as_o tarleton_n in_o a_o play_n represent_v the_o person_n of_o a_o king_n and_o not_o proper_o in_o respect_n of_o itself_o second_o it_o be_v worship_v by_o accident_n when_o it_o be_v not_o the_o suppositum_fw-la wherein_o the_o reason_n of_o the_o worship_n be_v but_o be_v join_v to_o it_o and_o be_v the_o thing_n whereby_o it_o be_v worship_v and_o wherewith_o it_o be_v vest_v and_o wherein_o it_o shine_v to_o 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