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with_o respect_n to_o particular_a place_n and_o thing_n whereby_o they_o make_v the_o saint_n not_o bare_a intercessor_n but_o tutelar_a deity_n and_o they_o invocate_v they_o as_o such_o t._n g._n say_v 238._o they_o do_v not_o make_v they_o author_n of_o those_o blessing_n not_o original_o and_o independent_o but_o subordinate_o and_o ministerial_o they_o do_v and_o if_o this_o be_v not_o idolatry_n no_o worship_n of_o the_o inferior_a deity_n among_o the_o heathen_n be_v so_o lipsius_n be_v no_o fool_n when_o he_o make_v the_o b._n virgin_n a_o tutelar_a deity_n and_o the_o pope_n sure_o understand_v their_o own_o religion_n when_o they_o canonize_v particular_a saint_n to_o be_v patron_n of_o such_o place_n which_o may_v be_v see_v in_o some_o of_o the_o late_a canonisation_n as_o of_o s._n rosa_n that_o admirable_a saint_n of_o peru_n and_o other_o 3._o a_o intention_n to_o give_v divine_a worship_n to_o they_o for_o what_o else_o can_v be_v mean_v by_o that_o eminent_a kind_n of_o adoration_n which_o bellarmine_n say_v do_v belong_v to_o they_o that_o divine_a worship_n 293._o which_o azorius_fw-la say_v you_o give_v to_o the_o saint_n and_o serrarius_n say_v many_o of_o the_o wise_a person_n among_o you_o say_v that_o latria_n and_o doulia_fw-la proceed_v both_o from_o the_o same_o virtue_n of_o religion_n that_o be_v they_o be_v of_o the_o same_o kind_n so_o that_o this_o be_v not_o mere_o the_o superstition_n of_o the_o vulgar_a but_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o wise_a among_o you_o if_o serrarius_n his_o judgement_n may_v be_v take_v i_o will_v not_o dissemble_v what_o b._n forbs_n observe_v 297._o that_o some_o of_o the_o schoolman_n do_v make_v the_o invocation_n of_o saint_n not_o to_o slow_a from_o the_o virtue_n of_o religion_n but_o another_o of_o their_o own_o make_n called_z singularis_fw-la observantia_fw-la but_o this_o be_v only_o a_o trick_n find_v out_o to_o avoid_v the_o imputation_n of_o idolatry_n which_o they_o think_v will_v fall_v just_o upon_o they_o if_o they_o make_v the_o worship_n to_o be_v of_o the_o same_o kind_n although_o of_o a_o different_a degree_n since_o nothing_o can_v be_v plain_o in_o antiquity_n than_o that_o all_o true_o religious_a worship_n belong_v only_o to_o god_n and_o can_v be_v give_v to_o a_o creature_n without_o the_o guilt_n of_o idolatry_n for_o even_o in_o the_o same_o age_n wherein_o gregory_n nyssen_n live_v the_o council_n of_o laodicea_n declare_v the_o invocation_n of_o angel_n to_o be_v idolatry_n 2.18_o so_o theodoret_n express_v the_o sense_n of_o that_o council_n who_o certain_o understand_v the_o meaning_n of_o it_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v his_o word_n which_o he_o make_v to_o be_v all_o one_o with_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d so_o that_o pray_v to_o they_o be_v that_o part_n of_o divine_a worship_n which_o be_v condemn_v for_o idolatry_n be_v give_v to_o angel_n r._n p._n 384._o t._n g._n say_v this_o be_v a_o practice_n of_o nominate_a angel_n which_o he_o say_v can_v with_o any_o show_n of_o probability_n be_v understand_v of_o that_o worship_n which_o the_o holy_a catholic_n church_n give_v to_o holy_a angel_n p._n d._n good_a sir_n his_o reason_n for_o to_o my_o apprehension_n it_o come_v as_o home_n to_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n as_o may_v be_v r._n p._n 1._o because_o the_o council_n speak_v of_o such_o as_o exclude_v our_o lord_n jesus_n christ_n make_v private_a assembly_n which_o word_v dr._n st._n convenient_o omit_v p._n d._n do_v he_o so_o let_v we_o hear_v they_o at_o length_n that_o christian_n ought_v not_o to_o forsake_v the_o church_n of_o god_n and_o go_v aside_o to_o invocate_v angel_n or_o make_v unlawful_a conventicle_n if_o any_o one_o be_v find_v practise_v this_o secret_a idolatry_n let_v he_o be_v accurse_v because_o he_o have_v forsake_v our_o lord_n jesus_n christ_n the_o son_n of_o god_n and_o betake_v himself_o to_o idolatry_n the_o council_n speak_v this_o of_o a_o sort_n of_o christian_n who_o yet_o be_v guilty_a of_o idolatry_n in_o pray_v to_o angel_n therefore_o pray_v to_o angel_n be_v idolatry_n r._n p._n yes_o such_o pray_v to_o angel_n as_o theodoret_n speak_v of_o upon_o account_n that_o the_o law_n be_v deliver_v by_o they_o or_o that_o god_n be_v invisible_a and_o incomprehensible_a can_v be_v approach_v but_o by_o the_o angel_n p._n d._n will_n t._n g._n stand_v to_o it_o that_o this_o be_v idolatry_n then_o it_o must_v be_v idolatry_n in_o the_o nature_n of_o the_o thing_n or_o by_o some_o positive_a law_n if_o the_o latter_a we_o see_v the_o council_n of_o laodicea_n account_v it_o equal_a idolatry_n among_o christian_n as_o before_o if_o the_o former_a then_o pray_v to_o a_o creature_n be_v idolatry_n in_o the_o nature_n of_o the_o thing_n which_o be_v a_o very_a fair_a concession_n and_o i_o suppose_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n will_v con_v he_o no_o thanks_o for_o r._n p._n but_o it_o be_v idolatry_n on_o those_o account_n i_o mention_v p._n d._n on_o what_o i_o pray_v because_o the_o law_n be_v deliver_v by_o they_o how_o be_v that_o possible_a on_o t._n g.'s_n principle_n when_o they_o be_v only_a god_n minister_n therein_o and_o so_o pray_v to_o god_n minister_n in_o heaven_n be_v idolatry_n how_o then_o will_n pray_v to_o saint_n escape_v r._n p._n but_o theodoret_n add_v they_o bring_v we_o salvation_n thereby_o p._n d._n only_o ministerial_o and_o this_o alter_v not_o the_o case_n r._n p._n but_o suppose_v they_o think_v access_n to_o god_n be_v only_o by_o they_o p._n d._n what_o then_o that_o may_v prove_v they_o no_o christian_n but_o do_v it_o prove_v they_o idolater_n suppose_v they_o be_v jew_n must_v they_o therefore_o needs_o be_v idolater_n r._n p._n but_o t._n g._n say_v good_a angel_n be_v not_o to_o be_v worship_v but_o in_o subordination_n to_o christ_n the_o head_n nor_o their_o prayer_n to_o be_v desire_v as_o efficacious_a for_o we_o but_o through_o his_o merit_n p._n d._n and_o what_o follow_v therefore_o leave_v out_o christ_n be_v idolatry_n do_v t._n g._n talk_v at_o this_o rate_n and_o hope_v to_o excuse_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n from_o idolatry_n for_o i_o still_o ask_v what_o it_o be_v which_o make_v their_o worship_n of_o angel_n idolatry_n leave_v out_o of_o christ_n may_v make_v it_o judaisme_n or_o heathenism_n but_o how_o come_v it_o to_o be_v idolatry_n r._n p._n i_o think_v you_o will_v never_o be_v satisfy_v p._n d._n not_o with_o such_o answer_n i_o assure_v you_o r._n p._n baronius_n say_v theodoret_n be_v mistake_v and_o that_o this_o canon_n be_v to_o be_v understand_v of_o heathen_a idolatry_n and_o that_o the_o oratory_n of_o michael_n which_o theodoret_n say_v be_v build_v by_o those_o idolater_n be_v in_o truth_n build_v by_o very_o good_a catholic_n p._n d._n this_o be_v plain_a deal_n and_o baronius_n see_v well_o enough_o there_o be_v no_o way_n to_o justify_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n but_o by_o condemn_v theodoret_n but_o i_o leave_v it_o to_o 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