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to_o say_v his_o prayer_n to_o god_n at_o the_o place_n where_o they_o lay_v bury_v and_o probable_o enough_o to_o speak_v to_o they_o too_o believe_v that_o they_o be_v there_o near_o enough_o to_o observe_v and_o hear_v he_o and_o that_o they_o will_v assist_v he_o with_o their_o prayer_n thus_o sozomen_n tell_v we_o that_o theodosius_n go_v out_o of_o constantinople_n in_o his_o expedition_n against_o eugenius_n and_o come_v to_o the_o seven_o mile_n there_o 〈◊〉_d there_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d pray_v to_o god_n and_o likewise_o 24._o likewise_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d sozom._n lib._n 7._o c._n 24._o call_v to_o john_n the_o baptist_n to_o help_v he_o i_o shall_v not_o need_v to_o insist_v upon_o the_o difference_n of_o expression_n pray_v to_o god_n and_o call_v to_o the_o saint_n though_o several_a instance_n may_v be_v produce_v in_o favour_n of_o such_o a_o observation_n for_o here_o also_o we_o find_v that_o the_o place_n where_o the_o emperor_n pray_v to_o god_n 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