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against_o the_o express_a precept_n of_o god_n in_o their_o so_o frequent_a practice_n of_o idolatry_n see_v the_o first_o nine_o and_o ten_o conclusion_n of_o the_o first_o chapter_n as_o also_o the_o three_o four_o five_o eighteen_o nineteen_o and_o twenty_o of_o the_o second_o 3._o nor_o can_v all_o their_o trick_n and_o tergiversation_n and_o subtle_a elusion_n serve_v their_o turn_n for_o undoubted_o the_o decalogue_n be_v write_v to_o the_o easy_a capacity_n of_o the_o people_n and_o therefore_o their_o heart_n and_o conscience_n be_v the_o best_a interpreter_n not_o the_o foolish_a evasion_n and_o subterfuge_n of_o perfidious_a sophister_n who_o to_o the_o betray_n of_o weak_a soul_n to_o idolatry_n and_o damnation_n and_o for_o the_o open_v their_o purse_n will_v make_v they_o believe_v that_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n enjoin_v of_o image_n in_o church_n and_o the_o honour_v they_o or_o worship_v they_o and_o bow_v down_o before_o they_o can_v consist_v with_o god_n forbid_v 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worship_n of_o image_n more_o determinate_o illustrate_v from_o the_o general_a practice_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n and_o suffrage_n of_o their_o pope_n whereby_o it_o be_v deprehend_v to_o be_v still_o more_o coarse_o and_o paganical_o idolatrous_a 1._o but_o it_o may_v be_v it_o may_v give_v more_o satisfaction_n to_o some_o to_o know_v what_o be_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n own_o sense_n of_o this_o honour_n debitus_fw-la she_o declare_v aught_o to_o be_v do_v to_o the_o image_n of_o christ_n and_o the_o saint_n put_v off_o a_o man_n hat_n and_o lie_v prostrate_a before_o they_o the_o council_n do_v not_o stick_v to_o instance_n in_o by_o the_o bye_n but_o because_o the_o council_n call_v this_o neither_o dulia_n nor_o hyperdulia_fw-la not_o latria_n some_o will_n it_o may_v be_v be_v ready_a to_o shuffle_v it_o off_o with_o the_o interpretation_n of_o but_o a_o civil_a compliment_n to_o these_o image_n or_o their_o prototype_n but_o since_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n have_v 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the_o soul_n of_o the_o feeble_a to_o hang_v about_o these_o image_n as_o if_o their_o presence_n be_v the_o divine_a protection_n itself_o 5._o these_o chemnitius_n recite_v out_o of_o the_o pontifical_a he_o peruse_v but_o the_o rituale_fw-la romanum_fw-la publish_v first_o by_o the_o command_n of_o paulus_n quintus_n and_o again_o authorize_v by_o pope_n urban_n the_o eight_o will_v do_v our_o business_n sufficient_o they_o be_v both_o since_o the_o council_n of_o â—rent_a and_o therefore_o by_o the_o exposition_n of_o these_o pope_n we_o may_v know_v what_o that_o debitus_fw-la honour_n be_v which_o the_o tridentine_a father_n mention_n as_o that_o which_o ought_v to_o be_v do_v to_o the_o image_n of_o christ_n the_o bless_a virgin_n or_o any_o other_o saint_n for_o the_o consecration_n of_o their_o image_n run_v thus_o grant_v o_o god_n that_o whosoever_o before_o this_o image_n shall_v diligent_o and_o humble_o upon_o his_o knee_n worship_n and_o honour_v thy_o only_o beget_v son_n or_o the_o bless_a virgin_n according_a as_o the_o image_n be_v that_o be_v a-consecrating_a or_o this_o glorious_a apostle_n or_o martyr_n or_o confessor_n or_o virgin_n that_o he_o may_v obtain_v by_o his_o or_o her_o merit_n and_o intercession_n grace_n in_o this_o present_a life_n and_o eternal_a glory_n hereafter_o so_o that_o the_o virgin_n and_o other_o saint_n be_v fellow-distributer_n of_o grace_n and_o glory_n with_o christ_n himself_o to_o their_o supplicant_n before_o their_o image_n and_o that_o upon_o their_o own_o merit_n and_o for_o this_o service_n do_v to_o they_o in_o kneel_v and_o pour_v out_o their_o prayer_n before_o their_o statue_n or_o symbolical_a presence_n what_o great_a blasphemy_n and_o idolatry_n can_v be_v imagine_v ornatur_fw-la consecratur_fw-la oratur_fw-la tunc_fw-la postremò_fw-la fit_a dâ—us_fw-la that_o be_v to_o say_v the_o image_n be_v pray_v before_o but_o the_o daemon_n pray_v unto_o there_o be_v no_o more_o in_o paganism_n itself_o 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the_o pray_v before_o the_o ark_n to_o god_n almighty_n which_o ark_n and_o the_o thing_n in_o it_o and_o about_o it_o be_v wood_n may_v as_o well_o be_v say_v to_o be_v talk_v with_o stock_n and_o stone_n as_o the_o pray_n before_o the_o image_n of_o a_o saint_n and_o the_o cross_n in_o such_o form_n as_o be_v use_v to_o they_o be_v a_o most_o senseless_a and_o absurd_a speech_n to_o say_v no_o worse_o for_o the_o disparity_n be_v manifest_a for_o do_v the_o jew_n ever_o say_v o_o ark_n hear_v i_o or_o o_o cherubim_n hear_v i_o but_o here_o be_v plain_o speak_v to_o the_o cross_n which_o be_v but_o a_o piece_n of_o wood_n in_o this_o form_n hail_o o_o cross_n our_o only_a hope_n increase_v righteousness_n to_o the_o righteous_a and_o pardon_v our_o sin_n beside_o neither_o ark_n nor_o cherubin_n be_v in_o their_o sight_n to_o speak_v to_o but_o the_o image_n of_o st._n peter_n or_o the_o bless_a virgin_n be_v before_o their_o eye_n and_o they_o bear_v the_o name_n of_o these_o saint_n 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