acquaint_v with_o the_o latin_a and_o of_o a_o language_n more_o remote_a from_o it_o yet_o our_o venerable_a beda_n in_o his_o history_n say_v 1._o that_o in_o his_o time_n to_o these_o northern_a language_n of_o we_o english_a scotch_a britan_n pict_n the_o latin_a tongue_n by_o peruse_v the_o scripture_n be_v make_v common_a to_o they_o all_o the_o usual_a language_n therefore_o wherein_o the_o scripture_n be_v deliver_v in_o his_o time_n be_v latin_a and_o by_o this_o that_o tongue_n render_v common_a and_o not_o unknown_a even_o to_o these_o northern_a people_n 13._o beside_o all_o this_o several_a pope_n patriarch_n etc._n etc._n have_v approve_v the_o translation_n of_o the_o missal_n etc._n etc._n into_o the_o vulgar_a language_n as_o pope_n john_n the_o eight_o 13._o who_o be_v induce_v thereto_o by_o a_o miracle_n relate_v by_o aeneas_n silvius_n afterward_o pope_n pius_n the_o second_o likewise_o pope_n innocent_n the_o three_o pope_n leo_n the_o ten_o balsamon_n patriarch_n 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doctor_n only_a argument_n 3._o first_o then_o touch_v the_o church_n doctrine_n contain_v in_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n 25._o the_o holy_a synod_n command_v all_o bishop_n and_o other_o who_o sustain_v the_o office_n and_o care_n of_o teach_v that_o according_a to_o the_o use_n of_o the_o catholic_a and_o apostolic_a religion_n receive_v from_o the_o primitive_a time_n the_o consent_n of_o the_o holy_a father_n and_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o sacred_a council_n especial_o touch_v the_o intercession_n and_o invocation_n of_o saint_n etc._n etc._n that_o they_o diligent_o instruct_v the_o faithful_a teach_v they_o that_o the_o saint_n reign_v together_o with_o christ_n do_v offer_v their_o prayer_n to_o god_n for_o man_n and_o that_o it_o be_v good_a and_o profitable_a humâ—ly_o to_o invocate_v they_o and_o to_o have_v recourse_n to_o their_o prayer_n help_v and_o assistance_n for_o the_o obtain_n of_o benefit_n from_o god_n by_o his_o son_n jesus_n christ_n our_o lord_n who_o alone_o be_v our_o redeemer_n and_o saviour_n let_v they_o likewise_o teach_v that_o those_o who_o deny_v that_o the_o saint_n enjoy_v eternal_a felicity_n in_o heaven_n be_v to_o be_v invocate_v or_o who_o affirm_v either_o that_o they_o do_v not_o pray_v for_o man_n or_o that_o the_o invocate_a they_o to_o pray_v for_o we_o in_o particular_a also_o be_v idolatry_n or_o that_o it_o be_v repugnant_a to_o god_n word_n and_o contrary_a to_o the_o honour_n of_o the_o one_o mediator_n between_o god_n and_o men_n jesus_n christ_n or_o that_o it_o be_v a_o foolish_a thing_n to_o supplicate_v with_o word_n or_o mind_n to_o they_o reign_v in_o heaven_n impie_fw-la sentiunt_fw-la be_v impious_o persuade_v 4._o in_o the_o second_o place_n in_o conformity_n to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o this_o decree_n catholic_n believe_v and_o acknowledge_v 1._o that_o we_o have_v only_o one_o mediator_n jesus_n christ_n to_o who_o only_o belong_v the_o merit_n that_o by_o its_o just_a worth_n redeem_v we_o from_o 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intercession_n be_v with_o god_n therefore_o we_o may_v beg_v of_o know_a saint_n their_o prayer_n to_o god_n for_o we_o with_o great_a hope_n of_o success_n 5._o such_o beg_n of_o prayer_n be_v far_o from_o idolatry_n superstition_n or_o diminution_n to_o christ_n honour_n since_o holy_a person_n live_v or_o dead_a be_v not_o invocate_v as_o donor_n but_o fellow-begger_n with_o god_n for_o we_o 6._o though_o a_o christian_a may_v be_v save_v who_o pray_v to_o god_n alone_o and_o request_v not_o the_o prayer_n of_o other_o yet_o to_o refuse_v the_o assistance_n of_o those_o who_o prayer_n god_n more_o willing_o hear_v be_v a_o neglect_n at_o least_o of_o use_v all_o mean_n helpful_a to_o we_o 7._o genes_n nevertheless_o we_o say_v with_o saint_n chrysostom_n god_n will_v bestow_v salvation_n much_o rather_o on_o we_o pray_v for_o ourselves_o than_o for_o other_o pray_v for_o we_o and_o we_o be_v much_o more_o safe_a by_o our_o own_o devotion_n without_o other_o then_o by_o other_o alone_z and_o therefore_o we_o ought_v not_o to_o be_v slothful_a and_o secure_a depend_v on_o otherâ—s_a merit_n for_o the_o prayer_n and_o supplication_n of_o saint_n have_v indeed_o very_o great_a force_n with_o god_n in_o our_o behalf_n but_o it_o be_v then_o true_o when_o we_o with_o penance_n and_o humiliation_n beg_v the_o same_o thing_n also_o of_o god_n and_o therefore_o say_v the_o same_o saint_n know_v these_o thing_n thes._n let_v we_o neither_o neglect_o contemn_v the_o prayer_n of_o saint_n nor_o cast_v ourselves_o whole_o upon_o they_o 5._o whatsoever_o have_v be_v hitherto_o say_v may_v indifferent_o be_v apply_v as_o well_o to_o saint_n depart_v as_o to_o saint_n alive_a if_o the_o prayer_n to_o saint_n depart_v be_v prejudicial_a to_o the_o merit_n &_o intercession_n of_o our_o lord_n so_o be_v the_o bege_v of_o the_o prayer_n of_o those_o alive_a if_o one_o be_v unlawful_a so_o be_v the_o other_o nay_o most_o certain_a it_o be_v that_o if_o both_o be_v lawful_a the_o prayer_n of_o saint_n depart_v will_v be_v incomparable_o more_o effectual_a and_o therefore_o will_v better_o deserv_v to_o be_v make_v use_n of_o than_o the_o other_o therefore_o notwithstanding_o most_o of_o the_o argument_n of_o protestant_n against_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n touch_v invocation_n of_o saint_n depart_v do_v prove_v full_a as_o much_o against_o prayer_n to_o the_o live_n and_o therefore_o be_v evident_o unconcluding_a yet_o those_o who_o be_v most_o learned_a and_o sober_a and_o will_v not_o wilful_o mistake_n catholic_n doctrine_n do_v free_a we_o from_o all_o imputation_n of_o idolatry_n superstition_n or_o do_v injury_n to_o christ_n and_o reduce_v the_o controversy_n to_o a_o short_a point_n for_o they_o question_v not_o whether_o the_o saint_n pray_v in_o general_a for_o we_o but_o rather_o willing_o acknowledge_v it_o yea_o they_o will_v not_o positive_o deny_v but_o they_o may_v and_o do_v pray_v personal_o for_o their_o former_a know_a
prayer_n and_o oblation_n for_o the_o dead_a haeâ—â—â—_n in_o opposition_n whereto_o he_o say_v prayer_n make_v for_o the_o dead_a profit_n they_o though_o they_o do_v not_o blot_v out_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d entire_o all_o mortal_a sin_n ibid._n and_o again_o who_o shall_v now_o have_v the_o â—oldnesse_n to_o dissolve_v the_o statute_n of_o his_o mother_n the_o church_n or_o the_o law_n of_o his_o father_n which_o father_n he_o there_o interpret_v to_o be_v the_o holy_a trinity_n moreover_o st._n chrysostome_n 3._o it_o be_v not_o in_o vain_a that_o the_o apostle_n have_v institute_v this_o law_n that_o during_o the_o celebration_n of_o the_o dreadful_a mystery_n commemoration_n shall_v be_v make_v of_o the_o dead_a for_o they_o know_v that_o great_a benefit_n and_o profit_n will_v thereby_o accrue_v unto_o they_o and_o yet_o more_o express_o in_o another_o place_n 46._o we_o must_v say_v he_o give_v our_o help_n and_o assistance_n to_o sinner_n depart_v by_o our_o prayer_n 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holy_a father_n do_v regard_v the_o day_n of_o judgement_n and_o the_o glory_n ensue_v yet_o withal_o that_o they_o think_v to_o some_o soul_n a_o present_a refreshment_n do_v accrue_v in_o the_o intermediat_a condition_n be_v evident_a both_o by_o the_o foresay_a testimony_n and_o many_o more_o that_o may_v be_v add_v as_o where_o st._n aâ—brose_n say_v he_o will_v never_o cease_v his_o intercession_n for_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o dead_a emperor_n till_o he_o find_v a_o deliverance_n by_o they_o this_o be_v so_o apparent_a both_o out_o of_o the_o father_n and_o ancient_a liturgy_n that_o bishop_n forbes_n 27._o spalleto_n and_o other_o protestant_a writer_n do_v acknowledge_v it_o and_o refuse_v not_o to_o assent_v to_o the_o ground_n of_o such_o a_o practice_n the_o word_n of_o spalleto_n be_v these_o there_o will_v be_v no_o absurdity_n if_o we_o shall_v confess_v 8._o that_o some_o light_a sin_n which_o have_v not_o in_o this_o life_n be_v remit_v quoad_fw-la culpam_fw-la as_o to_o the_o guilt_n or_o fault_n may_v be_v forgive_v after_o death_n and_o this_o sometime_o a_o little_a after_o the_o departure_n of_o the_o soul_n etc._n etc._n by_o virtue_n of_o the_o church_n intercession_n 12_o it_o can_v be_v deny_v but_o that_o there_o be_v among_o the_o holy_a father_n great_a variety_n of_o opinion_n touch_v some_o particular_a circumstance_n regard_v the_o state_n of_o soul_n after_o death_n and_o at_o the_o present_a some_o difference_n there_o be_v between_o the_o roman_a and_o greek_a church_n in_o which_o notwithstanding_o it_o will_v appear_v to_o any_o who_o will_v compare_v they_o that_o the_o roman_a doctrine_n be_v far_o more_o moderate_a receiveable_a and_o approach_v to_o the_o ground_n of_o protestant_n than_o that_o of_o the_o eastern_a church_n but_o however_o it_o be_v without_o all_o controversy_n that_o all_o church_n who_o profess_a christianity_n before_o the_o reformation_n do_v agree_v unanimous_o in_o the_o practice_n of_o pray_v for_o the_o dead_a so_o as_o to_o beg_v forgiveness_n of_o sin_n a_o better_n of_o their_o state_n a_o assuagement_n of_o their_o suffering_n etc._n etc._n which_o practice_n they_o esteem_v not_o a_o voluntary_a offering_n but_o a_o duty_n to_o a_o necessary_a performance_n of_o which_o charity_n oblige_v all_o christian_n and_o therefore_o english_a protestant_n can_v be_v excuse_v for_o their_o neglect_n of_o this_o duty_n especial_o consisider_v that_o the_o doctrine_n upon_o which_o this_o practice_n be_v ground_v be_v not_o mention_v at_o all_o among_o those_o point_n which_o they_o account_v novelty_n in_o the_o roman_a church_n on_o the_o contrary_a the_o more_o learned_a among_o they_o have_v and_o do_v though_o not_o in_o expression_n yet_o in_o sense_n agree_v with_o bishop_n andrews_n concede_v in_o his_o reply_n to_o cardinal_n perron_n 9_o that_o for_o offering_n do_v he_o not_o mean_v here_o for_o offer_v the_o christian_a sacrifice_n of_o the_o holy_a eucharist_n for_o they_o for_o what_o be_v more_o manifest_a in_o antiquity_n than_o this_o and_o prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a little_a be_v to_o be_v say_v against_o it_o no_o man_n can_v deny_v but_o it_o be_v very_o ancient_a since_o then_o the_o church_n can_v be_v think_v from_o the_o most_o ancient_a time_n thereof_o to_o have_v offer_v up_o to_o god_n all_o her_o prayer_n in_o all_o ages_fw-la pro_fw-la defunctis_fw-la in_o vain_a methinks_v i_o can_v here_o but_o in_o this_o respect_n also_o commiserate_v the_o condition_n of_o those_o poor_a soul_n who_o depart_v hence_o un-owned_n by_o that_o church_n and_o without_o any_o share_n in_o her_o prayer_n which_o only_o like_o a_o true_a mother_n be_v so_o solicitous_a and_o careful_a a_o supplicant_n not_o only_o for_o her_o live_n but_o also_o decease_a child_n and_o who_o after_o a_o life_n here_o not_o so_o well_o spend_v see_v themselves_o go_v hence_o only_o with_o a_o inchoated_a repentance_n &_o a_o unperfect_a reformation_n and_o very_o 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