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de_fw-fr meaux_n refer_v but_o we_o do_v not_o appoint_v temple_n priesthood_n holy_a rite_n and_o sacrifice_n to_o the_o martyr_n because_o not_o they_o but_o their_o god_n be_v our_o god_n indeed_o we_o honour_v the_o memory_n of_o the_o martyr_n as_o of_o holy_a man_n etc._n etc._n but_o who_o of_o the_o faithful_a ever_o hear_v the_o priest_n stand_v at_o the_o altar_n 27._o ibid._n lib._n 8._o c._n 27._o though_o erect_v for_o the_o honour_n and_o worship_n of_o god_n over_o the_o holy_a body_n of_o a_o martyr_n to_o say_v in_o the_o prayer_n i_o offer_v sacrifice_n to_o thou_o o_o peter_n or_o paul_n or_o cyprian_a when_o at_o their_o memory_n it_o be_v offer_v to_o god_n who_o make_v they_o both_o man_n and_o martyr_n and_o associate_v they_o to_o the_o angel_n in_o heavenly_a glory_n that_o by_o this_o solemnity_n we_o may_v give_v thanks_o to_o the_o true_a god_n for_o their_o victory_n and_o that_o we_o by_o renew_v in_o ourselves_o the_o remembrance_n of_o they_o may_v be_v 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