Selected quad for the lemma: saint_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
saint_n	let_v	lord_n	zion_n	1,198	5	10.4281	5	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A04191	A treatise containing the originall of vnbeliefe, misbeliefe, or misperswasions concerning the veritie, vnitie, and attributes of the Deitie with directions for rectifying our beliefe or knowledge in the fore-mentioned points. By Thomas Iackson Dr. in Divinitie, vicar of Saint Nicholas Church in the famous towne of New-castle vpon Tine, and late fellow of Corpus Christi Colledge in Oxford.; Commentaries upon the Apostles Creed. Book 5	Jackson, Thomas, 1579-1640.	1625 (1625)	STC 14316; ESTC S107490	279,406	488

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he_o the_o only_a door_n and_o the_o only_a way_n not_o so_o in_o they_o for_o we_o must_v pass_v through_o other_o door_n that_o we_o may_v come_v to_o this_o only_a immediate_a door_n that_o be_v he_o be_v the_o only_a door_n whereby_o the_o saint_n be_v admit_v into_o god_n presence_n but_o saint_n be_v necessary_a door_n for_o our_o admission_n unto_o he_o opus_fw-la est_fw-la mediatore_fw-la ad_fw-la mediatorem_fw-la be_v this_o divinity_n which_o they_o borrow_v from_o s._n bernard_n true_a they_o much_o wrong_v aristotle_n and_o priscian_n in_o call_v he_o immediatus_fw-la intercessor_n aut_fw-la mediator_n and_o be_v bind_v to_o right_v they_o by_o this_o or_o the_o like_a alteration_n of_o his_o title_n he_o be_v unicus_fw-la vltimus_fw-la aut_fw-la finalis_fw-la mediator_n he_o be_v the_o only_a final_a or_o last_o mediator_n for_o a_o mediator_n be_v not_o of_o one_o whence_o to_o be_v a_o immediate_a mediator_n essential_o include_v a_o immediate_a reference_n to_o two_o 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of_o their_o supplication_n to_o the_o lord_n of_o heaven_n and_o earth_n let_v we_o see_v how_o well_o the_o pattern_n do_v fit_v their_o practice_n admit_v the_o imitation_n be_v lawful_a how_o can_v it_o justify_v their_o go_n to_o god_n immediate_o with_o these_o or_o the_o like_a petition_n lord_n i_o beseech_v thou_o hear_v the_o intercession_n of_o this_o or_o that_o saint_n for_o i_o through_o jesus_n christ_n our_o lord_n what_o fit_a interrogatory_n can_v i_o propose_v unto_o these_o sacrilegious_a supplicant_n than_o malachy_n have_v unto_o the_o like_a delinquent_n in_o his_o time_n if_o i_o be_v your_o lord_n and_o king_n as_o you_o enstyle_v i_o where_o be_v my_o fear_n where_o be_v my_o honour_n say_v the_o lord_n of_o host_n to_o you_o priest_n that_o despise_v my_o name_n and_o yet_o be_v challenge_v of_o disloyalty_n they_o scornful_o demand_v wherein_o have_v we_o despise_v thy_o name_n you_o bring_v pollute_v offering_n into_o my_o sanctuary_n and_o yet_o you_o say_v wherein_o have_v we_o pollute_v thy_o sanctuary_n if_o you_o offer_v such_o blind_a devotion_n as_o these_o be_v it_o not_o evil_a offer_v they_o now_o to_o thy_o governor_n to_o thy_o prince_n or_o sovereign_n will_v he_o be_v please_v with_o thou_o or_o accept_v thy_o person_n say_v the_o lord_n of_o host_n he_o will_v either_o be_v think_v to_o mock_v the_o king_n and_o come_v within_o just_a censure_n of_o disloyalty_n or_o else_o be_v mock_v out_o of_o his_o skin_n by_o courtier_n that_o dare_v exhibit_v a_o petition_n in_o this_o form_n unto_o his_o majesty_n vouchsafe_v i_o beseech_v you_o to_o pardon_v my_o offence_n against_o your_o highness_n and_o admit_v i_o into_o good_a place_n at_o the_o intercession_n of_o your_o chancellor_n treasurer_n chamberlain_n or_o controller_n in_o honour_n of_o this_o his_o birthday_n for_o the_o prince_n sake_n your_o son_n my_o good_a lord_n and_o master_n yet_o if_o we_o change_v only_o the_o person_n name_n this_o petition_n which_o can_v become_v none_o but_o the_o prince_n fool_n to_o utter_v differ_v no_o more_o from_o the_o form_n of_o popish_a prayer_n upon_o saint_n day_n than_o the_o word_n of_o matrimony_n utter_v by_o john_n and_o mary_n do_v from_o themselves_o while_o utter_v by_o nicolas_n and_o margaret_n the_o former_a respectless_a absurdity_n will_v be_v much_o aggravate_v if_o the_o courtier_n birthday_n who_o the_o petitioner_n will_v have_v grace_v with_o the_o grant_n of_o his_o petition_n shall_v fall_v upon_o the_o king_n coronation_n day_n or_o when_o the_o prince_n be_v marry_v of_o no_o less_o solemnity_n with_o the_o romanist_n be_v the_o feast_n of_o the_o cross_n invention_n it_o be_v christ_n coronation_n or_o espousal_n and_o yet_o withal_o the_o birthday_n of_o two_o or_o three_o obscure_a saint_n who_o they_o request_v god_n to_o glorify_v with_o their_o own_o deliverance_n from_o all_o peril_n and_o danger_n that_o can_v betide_v they_o through_o christ_n their_o lord_n this_o last_o clause_n must_v come_v in_o at_o the_o end_n of_o every_o prayer_n to_o no_o more_o use_n than_o the_o mention_n of_o a_o certain_a sum_n of_o money_n do_v in_o feoffement_n or_o deed_n of_o trust_n only_a pro_fw-la formâ_fw-la praesta_fw-la quoesumus_fw-la omnipotens_fw-la deus_fw-la ut_fw-la qui_fw-la sanctorum_fw-la tuorum_fw-la alexandri_fw-la eventij_fw-la theodoli_n atque_fw-la 〈◊〉_d ●nalis_fw-la natalitia_fw-la colimus_fw-la a_o cunctis_fw-la m●lis_fw-la imminentibus_fw-la eorum_fw-la intercessionibus_fw-la liberemur_fw-la per_fw-la dominum_fw-la etc._n etc._n crucis_fw-la grant_v we_o beseech_v thou_o almighty_a god_n that_o we_o which_o adore_v the_o nativity_n of_o the_o saint_n of_o alexander_n event_n theod._n and_o iwenal_n may_v by_o their_o intercession_n be_v deliver_v from_o all_o evil_n that_o hang_v over_o we_o through_o jesus_n christ_n our_o lord_n to_o be_v deliver_v from_o evil_n at_o or_o by_o the_o intercession_n of_o such_o saint_n be_v

sacrificer_n to_o reiterate_v his_o everlasting_a sacrifice_n here_o on_o earth_n as_o by_o join_v other_o everlasting_a intercessor_n with_o he_o as_o his_o assistant_n in_o heaven_n be_v a_o argument_n more_o direct_o pertinent_a to_o some_o article_n follow_v in_o the_o creed_n my_o present_a observation_n must_v be_v limit_v by_o the_o reference_n to_o the_o main_a conclusion_n intend_v that_o the_o romish_a church_n in_o her_o public_a liturgy_n do_v often_o give_v the_o realty_n of_o christ_n sovereign_a title_n sometime_o the_o very_a title_n themselves_o unto_o saint_n sometime_o leave_v not_o so_o great_a difference_n between_o the_o divine_a majesty_n or_o glorious_a trinity_n and_o other_o celestial_a inhabitant_n as_o the_o heathen_n do_v betwixt_o their_o great_a and_o lesser_a god_n or_o as_o we_o do_v between_o ordinary_a prince_n and_o their_o subject_n ty●urne_n or_o bedlam_n will_v quick_o take_v order_n with_o he_o that_o will_v seek_v or_o suffer_v a_o act_n of_o 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