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A73451	Bels trial examined that is a refutation of his late treatise, intituled. The triall of the nevve religion By B.C. student in diuinitie. VVherein his many & grosse vntruthes, with diuers contradictions are discouered: together with an examination of the principal partes of that vaine pamphlet: and the antiquitie & veritie of sundry Catholike articles, which he calleth rotten ragges of the newe religion, are defended against the newe ragmaster of rascal. In the preface likewise, a short viewe of one Thomas Rogers vntruthes is sett downe, taken out of his booke called. The faith doctrine and religion, professed and protected in the realme of England, &c. with a short memorandum for T.V. otherwise called Th. Vdal.	Woodward, Philip, ca. 1557-1610.	1608 (1608)	STC 25972.2; ESTC S125583	118,782	210

is no better boxing of Bell then with the holy fistes of his croked brethren Lastly what man of any insight not furiously transported with the passion of noucltie can persuade himself satisfy his conscience or once imagi●e if the Reall presence and Transubstantiation ●ad not been taught by Christ and his Apostles ●hat it could euer haue come into the Church and anished the former opinion especially that being mystery so far surpassing the reach of reason and ●he other so fittinge common conceipt and easy to ●nderstande Could I say a doctrine so newe and ●ifficult possesse the world and exterminate former fayth coming from the Apostles and so easy to ●pprehend without infinite garboiles and contradictiōs or is it possible if any such thing had bene that it could haue escaped the pennes of all writers none euer either of loue to truth or hatred to falshood complayning of that great ruyne of veri●ie and straunge ouerflowe of superstition The Protestāts here can say nothing to giue true real satisfaction to any sincerely desirous of saluation On the contrary we can tell them that when the doctrine of the Real presence and Transubstantiation began to be impugned how it was straight resisted by learned men and diuers Councels as before was touched intreatinge of Berengarius which is an argument that our religion is auncient and Apostolicall and his a filthy ragge of hereticall nouelty And thus haue I abundantly proued that Transubstantiation began not vnder Innocentius in the yeare one thousand two hundred and fiue as Bell affirmeth but is far more auncient being taught by the old doctors of Christs Church yea that it cometh from our Sauiour himself and his blessed Apostles Bels XI Chapter Of Popish inuocation of Saintes THE XLII VNTRVTH OMitting Sr. Thomas his irreligious and iniurious snatching at that most constant martyr of Christ S. Thomas of Canterbury let vs consider what els he bringeth The Papists quoth he in their fond Popishe inuocation ascribe that to Saints which is only and solely proper vnto Christ himself I proue it because they make the Saints departed not only mediators of intercession but also of redemption Moste false it is that we make them mediators of redemption and saluation as he may learne out of the Councell of Trent where it is decreed that it is good and profitable to inuocate Saints S●ss 25. and to flie vnto their praiers help and assistance for the obtayning of benefits by his sonne Iesus Christ our lord who is our only Redeemer and Sauiour But let vs heare what potent prooffe Bell bringeth Thomas Becket quoth he sometyme Bishop of Canterbury is inuocated of the Pope and all his Popishe crewe not barely and absolutely as an holy man but as the sonne of the liuinge God and the only Sauiour of the world Terrible wordes and fearfull speaches what will be the end of this boisterous blaste it followeth This assertion to the godly may seeme wonderfull but it is such a knowne truth as no Papist whatsoeuer he be can without blushing deny the same by that time the matter is examined I verily thinke all modest Protestants will blushe at the impudency of this lying Minister that maketh such a solemne preface to so notorious and shamelesse an vntruth Now followeth the deadly cracke and terrible threatned thunder clappe These are quoth he the expresse words of their ●hymne which they both say and singe vpon that day which they keepe holy for his praise and honour Tu per Thomae sanguinem c. By the bloud of Thomas which he for thee did spende bringe vs thither o Christ whether Thomas did ascende I vtterly deny that any of these words or all together make S. Thomas a mediator of redemption or do proue that we inuocate him as the sonne o f the liuing God and the only Sauiour of the world as the Ministers lying lippes lashe out nay I add more that as no words here import any such thing so some there be that on the contrary free vs from that imposed blssphemy for we inuocate and desire Christ that he would for the merit of his martyrdome bringe vs to heauen but did we make S. Thomas a mediatour of redemption and inuocate him as the sonne of the liuing God as Bell chargeth vs then would we not inuocate Christ as his superiour which yet we doe and so a moste outragious vntruth it is that we make s. Thomas a mediator of redemption or inuocate him as the sonne of the liuing God and the only Sauiour of the world as Saintles Sr. Thomas auoucheth I passe ouer with silence how falsely he also affirmeth that the Pope and all his Popishe crewe do vpon the feast of S. Thomas inuocate him in that manner Bels lippes are his owne he may imploy them that way which best pleaseth him for the Pope and many thousands more vse the Romane Breuiary and Missal in neither of which any such praier is contayned and as I suppose not foun● but in those of Sarum vse which be now an●tiquated and out of date as both that and all othe● long since were with Bell howbeit the words import not any blasphemy at all for the meaning o● the praier is no other but that Christ would bring vs to heauen by that singular and especiall merit o● S. Thomas in giuing his life and sheddinge his bloud for the loue of him for if one may merit vpon earth as the Catholique Church teacheth that ● man by the grace of God and the merits of Iesus Christ may then none will deny but the act of Martyrdome and shedding of our bloud for the testimony of truth is meritorious as being the most high and soueraigne worke of charity fortitude fayth patience c. that we can possibly do in this world And if the merits of Saints do profitte vs and we may pray to God by their merits as straightwaies shall be proued then may we pray to Christe by the merits of S. Thomas and by that especiall merit of the shedding his bloud for his honour and that without any iniury to his merits or bloud S. Thomas his merits being inferiour to the merits of Christ these being the heauenly fountayne from whence both the merits of S. Thomas and the merits of all other glorious martyra and Saintes haue flowed and receiued all their force and vertue Thus we are freed from the wicked slaunder of the Minister that blusheth not to say that we make S. Thomas a mediatour of redemption and inuocate him as the sonne of the liuing God and the only Sauiour of the world and together is declared how the praier cōtayneth not any blasphemy but sound good doctrine taken in the true sence though now not vsed in the Catholique Church THE XLIII VNTRVTH AFter this praier to S. Thomas he citeth a sentence out of Polanchus added in the end of Absolution to witt this The passion of our Lord Iesus Christ the merits of the blessed virgin Mary and

of all Saintes and all the good thou doe and the punishement thou shalt suffer be to thee for remission of thy synnes for increase of grace and for the reward of eternall lise which words of Polanchus he doth prosecute with this lying glosse Lo the merits of Saints are ioint purchasers of saluation with Christs bloud and our workes procnre vs remission of our synnes increafe of grace and eternall glory An vntruth it is that the merits of Saints are ioynt purchasers of saluation with Christs bloud if he meane that the merits of Christ and his Saints doe alike auaile to saluation as he must meane or els he saith nothing for the merits of Christ are as I saied before the wellspring from whence all the merits of all mens actions doe proceede and they he for the infinit dignity of the person acceptable of them felues in the sight of his father but the merits of Saints are derieued from Gods grace by the merits of Christ and are not grateful in the eies of God but for his sacred merits and passion the merits therefore of Christ and his Saints may auaile vs for the obtayning of spirituall gists the merits of Christ as the principall cause the merits of Saints as dependent of his and the secondary cause And that God and his creatures may in this manner without any iniury to his name be ioyned together we learne out of sacred scripture Iacob Genes 48. v. 15. 16. desired God and his Angell to blesse his children The Israelites cryed out the sword of our Lord and Gedeon In Exodus we reade thus They beleeued Iud. 7. v. 20. Exod. 14. v. 31. 1. Timoth. v. 21. Act. 15. v. 28. our Lord and Moises his seruante S. Paul testified before Christ Iesus and the elect Angels And the Apostles doubted not to say It hath seemed good to the holy Ghost and to vs. If in these and such like speaches God and his creatures be ioyned together without being made ioynt purchasers for I trust Bell hath not the courage to vtter any such word but as the creator and the secondary cause in like manner may the merits of Christ and his Saints be conioyned as hath been sayed THE XLIIII VNTRVTH AFter a fitt of railing at this doctrine of the Catholique Church in praying to God by the merits of his Saints he saith No scripture no Councell no approued history was euer acquainted with this newly inuented heresy neuer knowne to the Church of Christ for the space of one thousand yeares and odde An vntruth it is that it is any heresy to pray to God by the merits of his Saints as the heretical minister bouldly afflrmeth but alleageth neither scripture Councell or father or approued history to giue credit to his assertion so much he presumeth vpon his owne authority Falsealso it is that it was neuer knowen for the space of a thousand yeares To proue one and the other against Bell In the old testament for so much as iust men then dying went not straight to heauen their raunsom being not paied as here I suppose according to the Catholique doctrine nor they ordinaryly knowing the praiers of the liuing therefore they did not in those tymes vse to pray vnto them formally saying S. Abraham pray for vs as we in the newe testament do yet did they pray vnto God by the merits of his seruaunts as we read in sundry places neither doth that auoid the argument which Bell answeareth in his Suruey viz that Pag. 318. not the merits of his Saints were vrged but his owne promise and couenant sett before him for The merits of holy men prescnted before God Psal 131. 3. Reg. 15. their merits also be remembred and not only the couenant of God for example Salomon prayeth to God by the merits of his father Dauid saying Remember o Lord Dauid and all his meekenes and a little after For Dauid thy seruant turne not away the face of thy Christ and in the booke of Kings we reade For Dauid our Lord God gaue him a candle in Israel that he might raise vp his sonne after him because that Dauid had done right in the eies of our Lord. S. Augustin relying vpon these such like sayings teacheth that the merits of his Saints may auayle vs in the sight of God Quest. 149. in Exodi● Admonemur cum merita nostra c. we are admonished quoth he that when our owne synnes do ly heauy vpon vs that we be not loued of God that we may be holpen with him by their merits whom God doth loue In the newe Testament we find the same doctrine confirmed The sicke man of the palsey was cured for their fayth which brought him to our Sauiour for the sacred text saith and Iesus seing Math. 9. v. 2. their fayth said to the sicke of the palsey haue a good hear● sonne thy synnes are sorgiuen thee Yf the fayth of hi● seruants liuing vpon earth and dayly offendin● him procured mercy to others how much mor● may the burning charity of his Saints in heauen free from all daunger of synning obtayne for v● spirituall benefits at the hand of our heauenly father Much more might be brought but not necessary when as Perkins confesseth sufficient to ouerthrowe Bell for reprehending the auncient fathers as attributing to much vnto the intercession of Saints he citeth these words of S. Leo as offending Problem verbo Intercessio inuocatio c. in that kinde VVe beleue and trust that to obtayn● the mercy of God we shall alwaies be holpen by the praiers o● our speciall patrones that so much as we are kept down by our owne synnes so much we may be listed vp by the merits of the Apostles And yet Bell inuaigheth against this doctrine as blasphemous and more confidently then truly affirmeth that no scripture no Councell no father no approued history euer knewe it and that it was neuer knowen to the Church for the space of one thousand years and odde how truly how sincerely I referre me to the premisses THE XLV VNTRVTH I Must therfore conclude saith the Minister with this meuitable illation ergo Popishe inuocation of Saintes but a rotten ragge of the newe religion and to shewe ●ow new it is he quoteth in the margēt the yeare ●fter this manner that is in the yeare of our Lorde ●ne thousand fower hundred and seauen which An. Dom. 1407. ●s some two hundred yeares agoe But I may far ●etter inferre that for grosse vntruths and cun●ing lying he may be let loose to any of the Mi●isterie what one of Bels dependants that reade ●he former wordes or any other not acquainted with his trickes would not veryly thinke that praying to Saints as it is vsed in the Catholique Church is not aboue two hundred years old as the tenor of his wordes import and yet I doe not thincke he will stande to that for yf he shoulde most certaine it is that it is a grosse and