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A71250 A second defence of the exposition of the doctrine of the Church of England against the new exceptions of Monsieur de Meaux, Late Bishop of Condom, and his vindicator, the first part, in which the account that has been given of the Bishop of Meaux's Exposition, is fully vindicated ... Wake, William, 1657-1737. 1687 (1687) Wing W260; ESTC R4642 179,775 220

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