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B00718 A conference of the Catholike and Protestante doctrine with the expresse words of Holie Scripture. Which is the second parte of the prudentiall balance of religion. : VVherein is clearely shewed, that in more than 260 points of controuersie, Catholicks agree with the Holie Scripture, both in words and sense: and Protestants disagree in both, and depraue both the sayings, words, and sense of Scripture. / Written first in Latin, but now augmented and translated into English.; Collatio doctrinae Catholicorum ac Protestantium cum expressis S. Scripturae verbis. English. 1631 Smith, Richard, 1566-1655. 1631 (1631) STC 22810; ESTC S123294 532,875 801

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say that there are any good workes of them which are not iustified CONFERENCE OF THE FORESAIED WORDS Scripture plainely saieth that a horlot was iustified by her workes that to an other manie sinnes were forgiuen because she loued much that a Sinner in beleiuing God doth well that the Publican did manie good workes before he was iustified The same say Catholiks Protestants plainely say that before iustification no workes are good all are badde are sinnes execrable before God and prouoke Gods wrath againe the workes ART II. WHETHER EVERIE GOOD worke of the Iust be sinne or the iust sinne in euerie good worke SCRIPTVRE EXPRESSELY DENIETH. Iob 1. v. 22. In all these thinges Iob sinned not with his lippes Iob sinned not in some speeches nether spoake he any foolish thing against God cap. 23. v. 11. My foote hath followed his steppes I haue kept his way and haue not declined out of it 3. Reg. 15. v. 5. Because Dauid had done right in the eies of our Dauid declined not but in some things Lord and had not declined from all things which he commanded him all the dayes of his life except the matter of Vrias 1. Cor. 7. v. 28. But if thou take a wife thou hast not sinned and if a Virgin marrie she hath not sinned v. 37. He sinneth not if she marrie 2. Peter 1. v. 10. Doing these things you shall not sinne at any Doing some things we sinne not time Apoc. 3. v. 4. But thou hast a few names in Sardis who haue not defiled their garments CATHOLIKS EXPRESSELY DENIE Councell of Trent Sess 6. c. 11. It is manifest that they are against true doctrine who say that the iust man sinneth in euerie act at least venially or which is more intolerable that he deserueth eternall paines PROTESTANTS EXPRESSELY AFFIRME Whitaker l. 2. de Peccato orig c. 3. Inherent concupiscence We sinne in euerie act maketh that we sinne in euerie action of ours euē good Againe We teach that the iust do alwaies sinne mortally by nature of the thing and the acts themselues Et ad Ration 8. Campian All good acts are sinnes All good actions are sinnes in Gods iudgment mortall if God pardon them light This Luther saied and he saied truely Tindal in Fox his Act. p. 1139. There is no deed so good but that the law damneth it Luther de Ration Confitendi to 2. fol 26. Euen our good Good workes are sinnes workes if God iudge them according to rigour and not pardon them with mercie are damnable and mortall De Captiuit Babilon fol. 80. Yea good workes are found to be sinnes In Assert art 31. fol. 109. The iust sinneth in euerie good worke f. 110. He teacheth to sinne who denieth a good worke to be sinne In Confutat Latomi fol. 220. All iustice is vncleane euerie good worke sinne Tomo 5. in Gal. 1. f. 227. Let there be workes so it be knowne that before God they be sinnes 228. The workes of the law must needs be sinnes otherwise certainly they would iustifie In c. 2. f. 231. Workes of the most holie law of God are so farre from giuing iustice as that they are sinnes and make a man worse before God De bonis operibus fol. 581. Let a man know All our actions are nothing but dānable sinnes that all his life and actions are nothing but damnable sinnes in the iudgment of God Postilla in Dom. 4. post Pascha With all thy workes which thou doest thou canst do nothing els but sinne Postilla in Natali Christi f. 374. Christ teacheth that all that is ours is nothing but sinne before God Illyricus apud Schlusselburg tom 7. Catal. Haeret. p. 155. All Saints in euerie good worke do sinne Hitherto our men disputed against Papists that all Saints in euerie good worke do sinne Wigandus ib. p. 719. For this verie imperfection and pollution good works of themselues are sinnes Caluin 3. Instit cap. 17. § 11. There was neuer any worke of a pious man which if it were examined by the seuere iudgment of God was not damnable In Refutat Serueti pag. 655. Because God pardoneth vs like his children thereupon he by pardon imputeth free iustice to workes which of themselues are vniust Beza in Conf. c. 4. sect 19 If God in all rigour would examine The best workes are mere pollutions euen the excellentest workes of men nothing e●s would be determined of them then that they are mere pollutions of Gods guifts Et l. q. resp p. 674. If you examine the best workes of the most holie men according to the rule of the law I say they are sinnes Bullinger Decad. 3. serm 10. We say that the good workes of the faithfull are sinnes Serranus cont Hayum part 2. p. 188. Whatsoeuer is of mā is euill is sinne what shewsoeuer it hath of vertue Ianius Cont. 4. l. 3. c. 2. All the workes of a man though iustified are sinnes in themselues Pareus l. de Iustif c. 15. The workes of the iust if they be examined of God according to the rigour of the law are mere sinnes Et c. 20. The iust sinneth euen in well doing We sinne in well doing THE CONFERENCE Scripture expressely saieth that Iob in some things did not sinne with his lippes did not decline from Gods way that Dauid declined not from all things that God commanded except the matter of Vrias that men sinne not in marrying that doing some things we shall not sinne The same say Catholiks Protestants expressely say that in euerie good act we sinne that the iust in euerie act sinneth that all Saints sinne in euerie good worke that in well doing we sinne that good workes are sinnes that good workes are of themselues damned of themselues in iust of themselues mortall sinnes that euen the workes of Gods most holie law make a man worse before God that euerie act in the iudgment of God is nothing but damnable sinne mere sinne nothing but sinne nothing but pollution of Gods guifts ART III. WHETHER WORKES OF the Iust be a sweet smell before God SCRIPTVRE EXPRESSELY AFFIRMETH. Gen. 8. vers 20. Noë offered holocaustes vpon the altar and A sweet sauour our Lord smelled a sweet sauour Numbers 29. ver 21. And shall offer an holocaust for a most A sweet ●dour sweet odour to the Lord. Apocal. 8. vers 3. And an other Angel came and stood before the altar hauing a goulden censor and there were giuen to him Incense manie incenses that he should giue of the praier of all Saints vpon the altar of gould which is before the throne of God And the smoake of the incenses of the praiers of the Saintes ascended from the hand of the Angel before God CATHOLIKS EXPRESSELY AFFIRME C. Bellarm. l. 4. de Iustif cap. 20. The Scripture eueriewhere praiseth the workes of the iust and saieth they are pleasing to God and accepted as a sweet odour PROTESTANTS EXPRESSELY DENIE Luther in Disp