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A70152 An ansvver to a popish pamphlet called the touch-stone of the reformed gospell. made speciallie out of themselves. By William Guild, D.D. and preacher of Gods word. Guild, William, 1586-1657. 1656 (1656) Wing G2202; ESTC R221580 101,567 372

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and the like necessitie of conformitie in all other Pastours as they would eschewe the danger here mentioned And this to be the true meaning of the place both Aquinas and Lombard doeth showe The second and third places are Rom. 11. 20. Of not being high minded but feare and Philip. 2. 12. Work out your owne salvation in feare and trembling To which I answere That there is a twofold feare the one which is called Timor incertitudinis or a distrustfull feare condemned Isai 35. 4. Luke ● 74. 12. 32. and Revel 21. 8. And another which is called Timor solicitudinis or a feare of holie carefullnes suspecting their owne infirmitie and corruption and causing godlie watchfulnes which is therefore called Godlie feare Heb. 12. 28. and they are pronounced blessed who haue it psal 128. 1. and this is that feare which is commanded in both these forcited places as Cardinall Cajetan showeth on Philip 2. 12. As also Estius saying With feare and trembling to work out our eternall salvation is to work it out magna cum solicitudine that is with great carefulnes As for the testimonies of fathers he citeth Ambrose in psal 118 Ser. 5. wher nothing makes against us nor in Basil or Jerome whose book he only nameth but no chapter whereas there are 11. long chapters therein nor yet in Chrisostome and as for Augustins words on psal 40. which should be 41 where he sayeth Whether his owne justice remaineth or not hee knoweth not for the Apostle terrifieth me sayeth he saying he that standeth let him take heed lest he fall To which I answere with Bernard who citeth this same place ser 2. de Septuagesima That this is the feare of an holy solicitude which everie one should haue to keepe him humble sayeth he as Augustin likewise showeth in the words that followeth the former that he speaketh not against assurance of salvation which the godlie may haue but against self confidence and presumption The second Testimonie that hee bringeth is Bernards words in the same sermon saying Who can say I am one of the Elect but he forgetteth to bring the following words which are these Yet the confidence of hope comforteth us that we be not altogether tormented with the anxietie of doubting sayeth hee for this cause are given to us signes and evident marks of our salvation that it may be put out of doubt sayeth he that hee is of the number of the Elect in whom these signes remaine Even as against such anxioꝰ doubting that excellēt speech of Cyprian is remarkable Ser. 4. de mortalitate pag. 317. That if wee do believe an ho●est mans promise much more should wee the Lord who hath promised life and immortalitie 26. THat every man hath not an Angel guardian or keeper VVHich he sayeth is contrary to Math. 18. 10. wher it is said That Children haue their Angels that behold the face of God And psal 91. 11. Hee shall giue his Angels charge over thee c. To which I answere That these places speak not of one onlie Angell guardian appointed for everie one but of Angels in the plurall which wee deny not to to be sent furth as the Apostle showeth Heb. 1. 14. As Ministring spirits for the good of the Elect somtimes many as Gen. 28. 32. to attend Jacob. and 2. King 6. 17. to protect Elisha and somtimes fewer or one as Act. 12. 7. As it pleaseth God to direct dispose So that I know not any great controversie betweene Romanists and us heerin Which Bellar. therfore never toucheth in all his book of Controversies 27 THat the holie Angels pray not for us nor knoweth our thoughts and desires on earth AS for the Angels their knowledge of our thoughts he bringeth no place of scripture neither indeed can he this being the Lords onelie prerogative as wee see 1. King 3. 36. and Rom. 8. 27. And as Theophilact showeth on Luke 5. 22. And their owne Jansenius acknowledgeth concord cap. 32. Neither is this the Controversie what Angels do in heaven in praying for the Church in generall but what we should do on earth in relation to them in particular as whether we should pray to them and give to them that which Bellarmin calleth That most excellent sort of worship which is praier pref de sanctis but because he wresteth some Texts of scripture to prove that the Angels pray for us in particular therfore we shall free these from the wrong sense which hee would put upon them First then he bringeth Zach. 1. 9. which should be verse 12. wher the Angell sayeth to God How long will thou not haue mercie on Jerusalē To which I answere 1. That this Angell was Christ as Remigius Altisioderensis expoundeth so called frequentlie in scripture as Gen. 48. 16. Exod. 32. 34. Hos 12. 4. and Mal. 3. 1. Who is the onlie Mediator for his Church 1. Tim. 2. 5. And 2. Though this wer a created Angell yet he prayeth for mercie onlie to the Church in generall The next place of Canonicall scripture which he bringeth is Revel 8. 4. And the smoake of the incense of the prayers of the saints ascended from the hand of the Angell before God To which I answere in like-manner That Andreas Caesarensis many others sayeth the Iesuite Ribera expoundeth this Angell to bee Christ as Ambrose and Beda likewise expound Lyra also Carthusian who affirmeth moreover That this is the exposition of all Catholicke As for the testimonies of Fathers he bringeth one of Hilaries saying That God needeth not the intercession of Angels but our infirmitie needeth The first part whereof maketh against him And in the last howsoever he sayeth that our infirmity needeth yet this doth not positivelie prove that they do interced especiallie for particular persons and in particular cases As for other fathers whom he onlie citeth to wit Ambrose and Victor Vticensis they speake nothing which is contrarie to our doctrine or for him 28 THat wee may not pray to them VVHich he sayeth is contrarie to Gen. 48. 16. The Angell who redeemed me from all evill bless the Lad's To which I answere That by the Angell sayth Cyrill of Alexandria lib. 3. Thesaur cap. 1. Hee understandeth the word of the Father for Hee was not ignorant that he was called the Angell of the great Counsell sayeth he Likewise sayeth Athanasius cont Arrian ora 4. As also Procopius It is cleare that the patriarch Iacob coupled no other in his prayers with God but his word which he therfore calleth the Angell because sayth he he onlie revealeth his Fathers will The next place of canonical scripture which he bringes is Hosea 12. 4. Wher Iacob is said to haue had power with the angell made supplication to him To which I answere That by this Angell the text showeth clearlie that God is understood 1. seing it is said of Iacob verse 3. That by his strength he had power with God 2. He telleth us v. 5. that this Angell was The