Selected quad for the lemma: saint_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
saint_n	incense_n	prayer_n	smoke_n	1,391	5	11.4786	5	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A42896	Catholicks no idolaters, or, A full refutation of Doctor Stillingfleet's unjust charge of idolatry against the Church of Rome.	Godden, Thomas, 1624-1688.	1672 (1672)	Wing G918; ESTC R16817	244,621	532

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let_v i_o praise_v thou_o st._n cyril_n say_v by_o thou_o holy_a mother_n and_o virgin_n nestor_n every_o creature_n that_o worship_v idol_n have_v be_v convert_v to_o the_o knowledge_n of_o the_o truth_n praise_n and_o glory_n be_v to_o thou_o o_o sacred_a trinity_n praise_v also_o be_v to_o thou_o o_o holy_a mother_n of_o god_n who_o can_v sufficient_o set_v forth_o thy_o praise_n do_v we_o entreat_v the_o b._n virgin_n to_o help_v the_o miserable_a to_o strengthen_v the_o weak_a &_o c._n st._n gregory_n nazianzen_n above-cited_n commend_v st._n justina_n for_o beseech_v the_o b._n virgin_n to_o help_n and_o succour_v she_o do_v we_o desire_v she_o to_o protect_v we_o from_o our_o enemy_n and_o show_v herself_o to_o be_v a_o mother_n mart._n st._n gregory_n nissen_n call_v upon_o st._n theodorus_n to_o fight_v for_o his_o country_n as_o a_o soldier_n and_o to_o use_v that_o liberty_n of_o speech_n for_o his_o fellow-servant_n which_o besit_v a_o martyr_n do_v we_o supplicate_v the_o 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the_o recite_v much_o less_o refute_v if_o as_o st._n hierom_n say_v of_o the_o like_a to_o recite_v they_o be_v not_o to_o refute_v they_o well_o but_o st._n peter_n he_o say_v who_o will_v not_o permit_v cornelius_n to_o fall_v down_o before_o he_o and_o st._n paul_n who_o rend_v his_o garment_n and_o cry_v out_o to_o the_o man_n of_o lystra_n why_o do_v you_o these_o thing_n will_v no_o doubt_n have_v be_v less_o please_v with_o this_o and_o why_o so_o 2._o if_o cornelius_n as_o st._n hierome_n think_v intend_v through_o error_n to_o worship_v he_o with_o divine_a honour_n and_o the_o man_n of_o lystra_n as_o st._n luke_n relate_v to_o offer_v sacrifice_n to_o st._n paul_n as_o to_o